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    Trump's wars 2018: Civilian casualties in Afghanistan at near-record level this year

    Endless war and diminishing freedoms, the buck stops at President's desk or at neocons' desk (if as suggested in some recent controversial theories that he may be reversing his pre-election anti-wars stances under duress)?


    Pre-election Trump: It is time to get out of Afghanistan ; Pence: Longest US War will go on










    Civilian casualties in Afghanistan at near-record level this year, according to U.N. report



    by Pamela Constable April 13

    An Afghan man holds a wounded child after a car bomb exploded near the old Interior Ministry building in Kabul on Jan. 27. (Wakil Kohsar/AFP/Getty Images)

    The Western-backed war effort has continued to suffer from a number of problems, including low morale among Afghan troops and corruption among military officials. The Taliban have failed to capture any cities but control large portions of territory across the country, more than at any time since the war began in 2002.


    Afghan volunteers carry a body at the scene of a car bomb explosion in Kabul on Jan. 27. (Wakil Kohsar/AFP/Getty Images)


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...to-u-n-report/


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    • Ministry of Defense official said the death toll could rise as the bomb site is assessed
    • Former president Hamid Karzai criticized the Afghan and US governments for the attack
    • On Saturday, Karzai said allowing the US to carry out the bombing was 'treason'
    • The attack is the largest non-nuclear weapon ever used in combat by the United States military


    Published: 15 April 2017

    Afghan locals and children were left surveying the devastating aftermath caused by the 'Mother of all Bombs' in the village of Shadal bazar on Saturday, two days after America dropped the largest non-nuclear weapon ever used in combat by the U.S. military.


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    Noting that the vast majority of those civilian casualties are the result of suicide bombings. Full headline of the report:

    https://unama.unmissions.org/afghani...ed-high-number

    AFGHANISTAN: 10,000 CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IN 2017 - UN REPORT SUICIDE ATTACKS AND IEDS CAUSED HIGH NUMBER OF DEATHS AND INJURIES

    KABUL - More than 10,000 civilians lost their lives or suffered injuries during 2017, according to the latest annual UN report documenting the impact of the armed conflict on civilians in Afghanistan.

    A total of 10,453 civilian casualties - 3,438 people killed and 7,015 injured - were documented in the 2017 Annual Report released today by the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the UN Human Rights Office. Although this figure represents a decrease of nine per cent compared with 2016, the report highlights the high number of casualties caused by suicide bombings and other attacks using improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

    “The chilling statistics in this report provide credible data about the war’s impact, but the figures alone cannot capture the appalling human suffering inflicted on ordinary people, especially women and children,” said Tadamichi Yamamoto, the Secretary-General’s Special Representative for Afghanistan.

    Yamamoto, who also heads UNAMA, expressed deep concern at the increased harm to civilians caused by suicide attacks. “I am particularly appalled by the continued indiscriminate and unlawful use of IEDs such as suicide bombs and pressure-plate devices in civilian populated areas. This is shameful,” he said.

    The second leading cause of civilian casualties in 2017 was ground engagements between anti-government elements and pro-government forces, although there was a decrease of 19 per cent from the record levels seen in 2016.

    The report attributes close to two-thirds of all casualties (65 per cent) to anti-government elements: 42 per cent to the Taliban, 10 per cent to Daesh / Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISIL-KP), and 13 per cent to undetermined and other anti-government elements.

    Pro-Government Forces caused a fifth of civilian casualties: 16 per cent were attributed to the Afghan national security forces, two per cent to international military forces, one per cent each to pro-Government armed groups and undetermined pro-Government forces. Unattributed cross-fire during ground engagements between anti-government elements and pro-government forces caused 11 per cent of civilian casualties.

    Women and children remained heavily affected by conflict-related violence. UNAMA documented that, in 2017, 359 women were killed - a rise of five per cent - and 865 injured. Child casualties - 861 killed and 2,318 injured - decreased by 10 per cent compared with 2016.

    Attacks where anti-government elements deliberately targeted civilians accounted for 27 per cent of the total civilian casualties recorded in Afghanistan in 2017 - mainly from suicide and complex attacks directed at civilians or civilian objects.

    The deadliest single incident documented since UNAMA began recording civilian casualties in 2009 occurred in Kabul on 31 May when a suicide attacker detonated a truck laden with approximately 2,000 kilos of military grade explosives during the morning rush hours in a densely populated area. This massive blast killed 92 civilians and injured 491.

    “Afghan civilians have been killed going about their daily lives - traveling on a bus, praying in a mosque, simply walking past a building that was targeted. The people of Afghanistan, year after year, continue to live in insecurity and fear, while those responsible for ending lives and blighting lives escape punishment,” said UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein.

    “Such attacks are prohibited under international humanitarian law and are likely, in most cases, to constitute war crimes. The perpetrators must be identified and held accountable,” he said.

    The report attributes 1,000 civilian casualties (399 deaths and 601 injured) and the abduction of 119 civilians to Daesh / ISIL-KP. “The group mainly targeted civilians in 2017 but also conducted indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks against security forces in civilian areas,” the report states. UNAMA recorded 160 deaths and 252 injuries to civilians during six attacks targeting places of worship, religious leaders, and worshippers claimed by Daesh / ISIL-KP in 2017.

    The report observes that the number of airstrikes conducted by international military forces and Afghan air forces increased significantly. UNAMA documented 631 civilian casualties (295 deaths and 336 injured) from aerial operations conducted by pro-government forces, a seven per cent increase from 2016, and the highest number from airstrikes in a single year since 2009. Aerial operations accounted for six per cent of all civilian casualties in Afghanistan in 2017.

    The report commends actions taken by the Government of Afghanistan and Pro-Government security forces in 2017 to protect communities from harm, highlighting the 23 per cent reduction in civilian casualties attributed to pro-government forces.

    Other protection measures adopted by the Government included a national policy to prevent civilian casualties and ratification of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapon instruments, which under Protocol V directs clearance of explosive remnants of war.

    The report stresses the importance of implementing Protocol V, noting that in 2017, UNAMA documented 164 deaths and 475 injured as a result of explosive remnants of war. Eighty-one per cent of the victims were children and many of those who survived lost limbs or eyes, and suffered other serious injuries and psychological trauma, limiting their prospects for a normal life.

    Among its recommendations, the report urges parties to the conflict to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian installations. It calls on anti-government elements to cease the deliberate targeting of civilians and civilian objects and the indiscriminate and disproportionate use of all IEDs.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-14-2018 at 12:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Noting that the vast majority of those civilian casualties are the result of suicide bombings.
    Well, some people have real goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Noting that the vast majority of those civilian casualties are the result of suicide bombings.
    Do you also note the incredible coincidence that suicide bombings and death tolls of civilian populations spike sharply in any region where we undertake noble task of spreading our values of freedom, racial equality, human rights?

    And yet that never stopped US based non-greedy, non-racist neocons to say " more freedom spreading in other countries please".






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    Well if they can kill themselves, that’s just ideal.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Do you also note the incredible coincidence that suicide bombings and death tolls of civilian populations spike sharply in any region where we undertake noble task of spreading our values of freedom, racial equality, human rights?
    These are caused by terrorists. If it wasn't for them we would be greeted as the liberators that we truly are. We just need to show these people more loving and then it is going to be rainbow and unicorns. We haven't met anybody on this planet who didn't like us, that is except the dirty terrorists of course, if you catch my drift.

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    If we're killing their families, then I'm marking that down as a campaign promise fulfilled. #maga

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Did he really say or imply this?
    Yes, but only in private among his closest friends... Fox and Friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Did he really say or imply this?
    Yes, but don't get tDS about it. trump said we should go after their families, to delivery homemade peanut butter cookies, cut their grass, and invite them over for dinner. It was the moment when we knew, absolutely without a thread of doubt, that trump was a non-interventionist.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Ok,to be devil's advocate, even if he said that, how would we know if it was truth or a lie.
    He said it after the attack at the Pulse nightclub, when the wife of the attacker knew about it and had helped him out. He was talking about terrorists who have families that aid them.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He said it after the attack at the Pulse nightclub, when the wife of the attacker knew about it and had helped him out. He was talking about terrorists who have families that aid them.
    You're doubly wrong. It was before the nightclub attack, and he never said anything about aid from families. The whole premise of the argument is that the terrorists care about their family members but not themselves, and therefore killing their family members has a greater impact upon them.


    You've conveniently forgotten what actually happened and replaced your memories of it with what Molyneux said happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He said it after the attack at the Pulse nightclub, when the wife of the attacker knew about it and had helped him out. He was talking about terrorists who have families that aid them.
    So family just included the wife but not the dad / children?

    Pulse Gunman's Father Was an F.B.I. Informer, Widow's Lawyer Says
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/u...-seddique.html
    Mar 26, 2018 - Seddique Mateen, the father of the Pulse nightclub shooter, was an F.B.I. informer for over a decade before facing an investigation into financial transfers abroad, a lawyer for the shooter's widow said in a weekend court filing. The lawyer, Fritz Scheller, said in a Sunday motion that the case against the wife, ...



    If so, what purpose use such broad brush calls based on just allegations serve, courts will punish whoever is found guilty regardless of familial connection.


    Is it at all possible he is influenced by his Israeli settelements supporting zionist son-in-law? He often cites Israeli border wall when he talks about Mexico to pay for the wall. [Depending on the race of the suspect, Israeli law allows collective punishments like demolition of family home of suspect (of non-chosen races only), although critics say real motivation of such policy is racist ethnic cleansing].

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    It seems unlikely that US politicians would be supplying weapons to a group that would attack civilians:


    IS Bomber Kills 57 in Afghan Capital


    April 22, 2018, at 10:01 a.m.


    An Afghan man walks outside a voter registration center, which was attacked by a suicide bomber in Kabul, Sunday, April 22, 2018. (AP Photo/ Rahmat Gul) The Associated Press

    By RAHIM FAIEZ, Associated Press

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — A suicide bomber struck a voter registration center in the Afghan capital on Sunday, killing at least 57 people in an attack claimed by the Islamic State group.

    Public Health Ministry spokesman Wahid Majro said another 119 people were wounded in Sunday's attack, updating an earlier toll. Gen. Daud Amin, the Kabul police chief, said the suicide bomber targeted civilians who had gathered to receive national identification cards.

    The large explosion echoed across the city, shattering windows miles away from the attack site and damaging several nearby vehicles. Police blocked all roads to the blast site, with only ambulances allowed in. Local TV stations broadcast live footage of hundreds of distraught people gathered at nearby hospitals seeking word about loved ones.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...ital-12-killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He said it after the attack at the Pulse nightclub, when the wife of the attacker knew about it and had helped him out. He was talking about terrorists who have families that aid them.
    You know she got acquitted of that right? It turns out that his dad was being handled by the FBI and the FBI cleared the son despite having numerous warnings that he was a potential terrorist. In the "good old days" before Alex Jones sold out to pimp daddy Trump, conspiracy theorists would have been all over that. Now you're willing to take the "official story" because it comes from pimp daddy Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You're doubly wrong. It was before the nightclub attack, and he never said anything about aid from families. The whole premise of the argument is that the terrorists care about their family members but not themselves, and therefore killing their family members has a greater impact upon them.


    You've conveniently forgotten what actually happened and replaced your memories of it with what Molyneux said happened.
    Molyneux is a total pimp daddy Trump cuck.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    94? That's IT?

    Not much bang for that big buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You know she got acquitted of that right?
    She was acquitted despite her knowledge and admitted involvement. She could have saved all of their lives.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You're doubly wrong. It was before the nightclub attack, and he never said anything about aid from families. The whole premise of the argument is that the terrorists care about their family members but not themselves, and therefore killing their family members has a greater impact upon them.


    You've conveniently forgotten what actually happened and replaced your memories of it with what Molyneux said happened.
    It's dumb for you to try and talk about Molyneux if you never actually listen to him. Clearly Molyneux didn't say that is what happened if it didn't happen yet, but it did happen some months later and was used as an example of precisely what Molyneux discussed in the video I posted where terrorists get help from family members and that is what Trump was referring to in his statements, which were vague, but you keep twisting it around to what you want it to be.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    She was acquitted despite her knowledge and admitted involvement. She could have saved all of their lives.
    Fake confession. Once upon a time when you were a legit conspiracy theorist you would have picked up on this and been more concerned about the foreknowledge of the FBI handler. Now you sound like Zippyjuan defending the official story on 9/11.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's dumb for you to try and talk about Molyneux if you never actually listen to him. Clearly Molyneux didn't say that is what happened if it didn't happen yet, but it did happen some months later and was used as an example of precisely what Molyneux discussed in the video I posted where terrorists get help from family members and that is what Trump was referring to in his statements, which were vague, but you keep twisting it around to what you want it to be.
    Do you no longer believe in government false flag operations? Interesting. Because if you DID still believe in that you would know how dangerous what Trump is doing to liberty. The FBI gets some MKULTRA relative to do something crazy, if you report them ahead of time the FBI magically "clears" them, and afterwards you and everyone else in your family is prosecuted and or killed. Yep. That's the new freedom. The NWO never had a better friend then former conspiracy theorists who now carry its water cause....MAGA!
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Fake confession. Once upon a time when you were a legit conspiracy theorist you would have picked up on this and been more concerned about the foreknowledge of the FBI handler. Now you sound like Zippyjuan defending the official story on 9/11.
    So should they not go after the father?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    So should they not go after the father?
    They won't go after the father because he is an FBI asset. They should go after the FBI agent that cleared him. You know how this works. The system protects itself. And Trump is part of the system. Enjoy your face scanning cameras.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    They won't go after the father because he is an FBI asset. They should go after the FBI agent that cleared him. You know how this works. The system protects itself. And Trump is part of the system. Enjoy your face scanning cameras.

    So you agree with Trump that they should go after his family?

    I mean, the sister was cleared by the courts, so if she wasn't guilty as you claim (I have my doubts), then the system worked.

    Why not side with Trump and go after the father?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    So you agree with Trump that they should go after his family?
    I did say that. You must not be good at reading comprehension. I said the FBI WILL NOT go after the father BECAUSE HE WORKS FOR THE FBI! Get that through your skull!


    I mean, the sister was cleared by the courts, so if she wasn't guilty as you claim (I have my doubts), then the system worked.
    The FBI IS GUILTY! All of a sudden you have become ZippyJuan.


    Why not side with Trump and go after the father?
    Why not side with liberty and go after the FBI and quit being a Trump cuck!
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    what Trump was referring to in his statements, which were vague
    "We need to go after terrorists' families... because they care about them" is not vague. It's stupid, immoral, counterproductive, and a whole lot of other things, but it certainly is not vague.

    The supposed vagueness is a Trumpkin invention, a self-preservation mechanism, a way to rationalize supporting someone who is abjectly against most of the things that the Trumpkins themselves believe. Excuses must be made in order to allow the Trumpkin to believe, or to continue to believe, that his messiah is not an illogical, unethical, unprincipled moron.

    In order to maintain his faith in his messiah, the true Trumpkin does what many followers of other false religions do: ignore the direct words and actions of their lord, and instead rely upon a priest to interpret for them, to shape reality into a convenient package which they can then believe.

    Molyneux is your priest of Trumphood.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    but you keep twisting it around to what you want it to be.
    That's adorable.
    Last edited by TheCount; 04-22-2018 at 01:49 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    "We need to go after terrorists' families... because they care about them" is not vague. It's stupid, immoral, counterproductive, and a whole lot of other things, but it certainly is not vague.

    The vagueness is a Trumpkin invention, a self-preservation mechanism, a way to rationalize supporting someone who is abjectly against most of the things that the Trumpkins themselves believe. Excuses must be made in order to allow the Trumpkin to believe, or to continue to believe, that his messiah is not an illogical, unethical, unprincipled moron.



    That's adorable.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TheCount again.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I did say that. You must not be good at reading comprehension. I said the FBI WILL NOT go after the father BECAUSE HE WORKS FOR THE FBI! Get that through your skull!




    The FBI IS GUILTY! All of a sudden you have become ZippyJuan.




    Why not side with liberty and go after the FBI and quit being a Trump cuck!
    And, if I recall correctly, most of the victims at the nightclub were shot by po-pos, not the "shooter".
    There is no spoon.

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