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    Many People Taking Antidepressants Discover They Cannot Quit

    Many People Taking Antidepressants Discover They Cannot Quit

    By BENEDICT CAREY and ROBERT GEBELOFFAPRIL 7, 2018

    Victoria Toline would hunch over the kitchen table, steady her hands and draw a bead of liquid from a vial with a small dropper. It was a delicate operation that had become a daily routine — extracting ever tinier doses of the antidepressant she had taken for three years, on and off, and was desperately trying to quit.

    “Basically that’s all I have been doing — dealing with the dizziness, the confusion, the fatigue, all the symptoms of withdrawal,” said Ms. Toline, 27, of Tacoma, Wash. It took nine months to wean herself from the drug, Zoloft, by taking increasingly smaller doses.

    “I couldn’t finish my college degree,” she said. “Only now am I feeling well enough to try to re-enter society and go back to work.”

    Long-term use of antidepressants is surging in the United States, according to a new analysis of federal data by The New York Times. Some 15.5 million Americans have been taking the medications for at least five years. The rate has almost doubled since 2010, and more than tripled since 2000.

    Nearly 25 million adults, like Ms. Toline, have been on antidepressants for at least two years, a 60 percent increase since 2010.

    Some scientists long ago anticipated that a few patients might experience withdrawal symptoms if they tried to stop — they called it “discontinuation syndrome.” Yet withdrawal has never been a focus of drug makers or government regulators, who felt antidepressants could not be addictive and did far more good than harm.

    The drugs initially were approved for short-term use, following studies typically lasting about two months. Even today, there is little data about their effects on people taking them for years, although there are now millions of such users.

    Expanding use of antidepressants is not just an issue in the United States. Across much of the developed world, long-term prescriptions are on the rise. Prescription rates have doubled over the past decade in Britain, where health officials in January began a nationwide review of prescription drug dependence and withdrawal.

    In New Zealand, where prescriptions are also at historic highs, a survey of long-term users found that withdrawal was the most common complaint, cited by three-quarters of long-term users.

    Yet the medical profession has no good answer for people struggling to stop taking the drugs — no scientifically backed guidelines, no means to determine who’s at highest risk, no way to tailor appropriate strategies to individuals.

    “Some people are essentially being parked on these drugs for convenience’s sake because it’s difficult to tackle the issue of taking them off,” said Dr. Anthony Kendrick, a professor of primary care at the University of Southampton in Britain.

    With government funding, he is developing online and telephone support to help practitioners and patients. “Should we really be putting so many people on antidepressants long-term when we don’t know if it’s good for them, or whether they’ll be able to come off?” he said.

    Antidepressants were originally considered a short-term treatment for episodic mood problems, to be taken for six to nine months: enough to get through a crisis, and no more.

    Later studies suggested that “maintenance therapy” — longer-term and often open-ended use — could prevent a return of depression in some patients, but those trials very rarely lasted more than two years.

    Once a drug is approved, physicians in the United States have wide latitude to prescribe it as they see fit. The lack of long-term data did not prevent doctors from placing tens of millions of Americans on antidepressants indefinitely.

    “Most people are put on these drugs in primary care, after a very brief visit and without clear symptoms of clinical depression,” said Dr. Allen Frances, a professor emeritus of psychiatry at Duke University. “Usually there’s improvement, and often it’s based on the passage of time or placebo effect.

    “But the patient and doctor don’t know this and give the antidepressant credit it doesn’t deserve. Both are reluctant to stop what appears to be a winner, and the useless prescription may be continued for years — or a lifetime.”

    The Times analyzed data gathered since 1999 as part of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Over all, more than 34.4 million adults took antidepressants in 2013-4, up from 13.4 million in the 1999-2000 survey.

    Adults over 45, women and whites are more likely to take antidepressants than younger adults, men and minorities. But usage is increasing in older adults across the demographic spectrum.

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    Find Hope Again: 13 Natural Remedies for Depression



    Did you know that 1 out of 7 individuals will suffer from depression symptoms at some point in his or her life? Today, depression is one of the main causes of disability in developed, as well as low and medium income countries. In fact, around 150 million people suffer from depression worldwide. (1)

    The World Health Organization predicts that depression will become the second most prevalent disease worldwide by the year 2020. But what are we doing to prevent and treat this life-altering mood disorder? The typical treatment — antidepressant medications — comes with a slew of side effects. However, sometimes people don’t know where to turn to find a treatment that won’t bring on more health problems. But, the good news is there are natural remedies for depression that are effective and address the root cause of the disease. If you’re looking for a natural way to improve your depressive symptoms, a healthy diet that provides critical vitamins and minerals for hormone balance and brain function, essential oils for depression and lifestyle changes are just some of your options.

    Common Causes & Symptoms of Depression
    Depression is when a person experiences low mood persistently, to the point that it starts to interfere with her daily life. Struggling with depression can be extremely painful for both the person experiencing the symptoms and her loved ones.

    The causes of depression are varied and include:

    stress
    unresolved emotional problems
    neurotransmitter imbalance
    hormonal imbalances
    food allergies
    alcoholism
    nutrition deficiencies
    lack of sunlight
    toxicity from metals
    toxic mold

    Although depression can happen at any age, it often develops in adulthood. For example, it’s especially prevalent in middle-aged or older adults who are struggling with other serious medical issues, like cancer, diabetes or Parkinson’s disease. But other risk factors for depression include a family history of depression, taking certain medications that cause depressive side effects, major life changes, ongoing stress and trauma. (2)

    Depression can manifest with a variety of different symptoms including (3):

    fatigue
    persistent sadness
    low mood
    irritability
    feelings of worthlessness and hopelessness
    difficulty concentrating
    difficulty sleeping
    low sex drive
    changes in appetite
    weight changes
    feelings of helplessness
    disinterest in hobbies or activities
    aches and pains
    headaches
    digestive issues
    thoughts of death or suicide
    attempting suicide




    Conventional Treatment of Depression
    Conventional treatment for depression typically involves the use of medications and/or psychotherapy. The most widely used form of medication for depression is SSRIs, or selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors, which include drugs like Celexa, Lexapro, Zoloft, Prozac and Paxil. Research shows that antidepressant medications do help patients with depression, but they work as symptom suppressors rather than cures. Once a patient is no longer taking the antidepressants, the symptoms will probably recur. In addition, antidepressant medications have serious side effects that can include suicidal thoughts, weight gain and personality changes. Another danger of psychotropic drugs like SSRIs is that they can cause neurotransmitter degradation, leading to changes in the brain. (4)

    In addition to medication, psychotherapy is another option. There are several forms of psychotherapy that can be helpful, including “talk therapy” or counseling, problem-solving therapy, cognitive-behavioral therapy and interpersonal therapy. A study conducted at the Ohio State University found that when cancer patients suffering from depression were asked if they would rather use individual counseling, antidepressant medications or support groups to address their symptoms, preference for individual counseling was significantly higher than the other options. (5) Counseling can be an effective depression treatment, along with other natural remedies for depression.

    13 Natural Remedies for Depression

    Diet:
    1. Eat a Healthy and Well-Balanced Diet

    You may be surprised to learn that your food choices can have a significant impact on your mood. It’s key to eat foods that support your neurotransmitters, which are the brain’s messengers that control your mood, energy levels, appetite and several other functions in the body. Neurotransmitters are significantly influenced by the foods you put into your body.

    A 2009 study published in the British Journal of Psychiatry examined the association between dietary patterns and depression. There were 3,486 participants who fell into one of two dietary categories. The first was those who ate a whole food diet, heavily loaded by vegetables, fruits and fish. Second was those who ate processed foods. These foods included sweetened desserts, fried food, processed meat, refined grains and high-fat dairy products. After five years, the participants were assessed. Researchers found that those who stuck to the whole food dietary pattern had lower odds of depression. In contrast, high consumption of processed food was associated with an increased risk of developing depression. (6)

    Eating healing foods can be transformative. Here’s a breakdown of the whole foods that should be part of your diet to prevent and treat depression:

    Omega-3 foods: Research shows that one of the most important components of your diet in order to prevent or treat mood disorders is omega-3 foods. Your brain lipids are actually composed of fatty acids. Of those those fatty acids, 33 percent belong to the omega-3 family. That means that you need to eat omega-3s in order for your brain to function properly. Omega-3s benefit the brain by promoting communication processes and reducing inflammation. (7) The best omega-3 foods include wild-caught fish like salmon, mackerel, herring and white fish, walnuts, chia seeds, flaxseeds, natto and egg yolks.

    Fruits and Vegetables: A diet high in fruits and vegetables increases your intake of vital nutrients that support your mood. Fruits and veggies high in folate, for example, promote the brain’s metabolic processes and research shows that a folate deficiency can lead to depressive symptoms. (8) Some of the top folate foods include spinach, asparagus, avocado, beets and broccoli. Your body also needs antioxidant foods to combat the biochemical changes that take place when you’re under stress. A study published in the Indian Journal of Psychiatry found that antioxidant therapy for 6 weeks significantly reduced both depression and anxiety scores in observed patients. (9) Some of the top antioxidant foods include blueberries, goji berries, blackberries, cranberries and artichokes.

    Healthy fats: Healthy fats provide important vitamins and minerals that boost energy levels and mood. Plus, eating healthy fats helps to prevent free radical damage that may be associated with depression. But it’s important to understand that not all fats are created equal. In fact, research shows that there’s a detrimental relationship between consuming trans fats (like hydrogenated oils) and depression risk. (10) Stick to eating healthy fats such as avocados, grass-fed butter, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil and omega-3s like walnuts and flaxseeds.

    Lean Protein: Eating protein is critical for supporting neurological function and balancing hormones. Protein foods also provide energy and boost our mood. We need to consume plenty of protein throughout the day because the amino acids allow for many of the body’s functions. When you don’t eat enough protein, you become fatigued, your immunity weakens and you experience moodiness. The best sources of protein include grass-fed beef, lentils, wild fish, organic chicken, black beans, yogurt, free-range eggs, raw cheese and protein powder made from bone broth.

    Probiotic Foods: Eating probiotic foods increases energy levels, supports cognitive function and promotes mental wellness. Some of the top probiotic foods include kefir, yogurt, kombucha, miso, raw cheese and fermented vegetables. In fact, a great way to consume probiotics is to drink kombucha every day because it also contains enzymes and B vitamins that boost your energy levels and helps to detoxify your body.

    2. Avoid Refined Carbohydrates and Sugars

    Have you ever wondered why you crave refined carbohydrates and sugars when you’re feeling sad? If you tend to reach for the cookies or potato chips in tough moments, it’s because high carbohydrates foods trigger a release of serotonin, a natural opioid that acts in the brain similarly to the drug opium. Although these foods are improving your mood for the moment, they are also leading to weight gain, issues with sleep, candida overgrowth and low energy levels, making your depression symptoms worse. (11)

    An investigation conducted at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas found that sugar consumption rates were correlated with the annual rate of major depression. (12) And a systematic review published by the American Public Health Association found that there is a significant relationship between unhealthy dietary patterns (such as eating a “Western diet” that’s made up of mostly processed foods) and poorer mental health in children and adolescents. (13) Diets that are high in refined sugars are actually harmful to your brain because they promote inflammation and oxidative stress.

    To reduce depressive symptoms by supporting the health of your brain and balancing your hormones, avoid eating packaged and processed foods that are made with refined carbohydrates and sugars. Stick to real, whole foods that are in their natural forms.

    Supplements:
    3. Fish Oil

    Omega-3 fats are critical for neurotransmitter function, an important component for emotional and physiological brain balance. Research published in CNS Neuroscience Therapeutics analyzed three studies that involved the treatment of depression with omega-3 fatty acids. One study compared the benefits of omega-3 therapy to placebo therapy, another study tested the effects of omega-3s on children with depression and the third study was an open-label trial using EPA to treat bipolar depression. Researchers found that omega-3s showed highly significant effects. For example, in the open-label study involving people with bipolar depression, patients who completed at least one month of follow-up achieved a 50 percent or greater reduction of depression symptoms. (14) Fish oil supplements are a great way to ensure you are getting enough omega-3 fats.

    4. Probiotics

    Research shows that probiotic supplements can improve mental outlook, which is due to the gut-brain connection. Probiotics aid nutrient absorption and promote glycemic control, helping to avoid spikes and drops in blood sugar levels. But most importantly, studies show that there are direct lines of communication from the gut to the brain, so taking probiotics actually changes your behavior and brain chemistry, thereby improving cognitive function and reducing depressive symptoms. (15)

    A 2017 study illustrated the correlation between gut health and depression. Researchers analyzed 44 adults with IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) and mild to moderate anxiety or depression. Half of the group took a probiotic (specifically Bifidobacterium longum NCC3001), and the other was given a placebo. Six weeks after taking probiotics daily, 64 percent of the patients taking the probiotic reported decreased depression. Of the patients taking a placebo, only 32 percent reported decreased depression. (16)

    5. Vitamin D3

    A systematic review and meta-analysis evaluating the efficacy of vitamin D supplement as a natural remedy for depression found that vitamin D supplementation was favorable in the management of depression because it changed vitamin levels in a way that’s comparable to antidepressant medications. (17)

    Vitamin D acts like a hormone in the body and effects brain function, which is why a deficiency is linked to an increased risk for mood disorders, including depression and seasonal affective disorder (or “winter depression”), a form of depression that comes and goes in a seasonal pattern.

    6. Adaptogen Herbs

    Adaptogen herbs are a class of healing plants that improves stress hormones and relax the nervous system. They help to balance and protect the body by reducing cortisol levels when your under any type of stress.

    Two adaptogens that work as natural remedies for depression include rhodiola and ashwagandha. Rhodiola works by increasing the sensitivity of your neurons, including two neurotransmitters serotonin and dopamine. These neurotransmitters help to increase focus and memory, and improve mood. Ashwagandha works to combat the effects of stress, reduce anxiety and depression and balance hormones. But the best part about these natural remedies for depression is that there are no adverse side effects, as opposed to most antidepressant medications. (18)

    7. B-Complex

    B vitamins are involved in neurotransmitter function and research shows that low levels of both folate and vitamin B12 levels, in particular, are linked to depressive symptoms. This is especially true for patients who have been treated with lithium and those with alcoholism. (19)

    Vitamin B12 supports the neurological system and boosts energy levels, and folate supports nutrient absorption, helps to reduce irritability and fights fatigue. Taking a B-complex vitamin will help to produce serotonin naturally and relieve depressant symptoms, without the need for medications or toxic sugary foods.

    8. St. John’s Wort

    Several studies show that St. John’s wort can help to fight mild to moderate depression and anxiety. St. John’s wort works as a natural remedy for depression that can be compared to the efficacy of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), a common type of antidepressant that’s prescribed today. Plus, research shows that St. John’s wort has fewer side effects than standard antidepressants. (20)

    Although researchers aren’t exactly sure how St. John’s wort works to fight depression, it’s believed that it may be associated with the herb’s ability to make more serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine available in the brain. This is important because these three neurotransmitters help to boost mood and improve the symptoms of depression. Also, if you choose to use St. John’s wort as a natural remedy for depression, do it only under the guidance of your health care provider.

    Essential Oils:
    9. Lavender Oil

    Lavender oil helps to relieve stress, promote a feeling of peace and improve sleep. It actually has a long history of medicinal use for mood disorders because it has sedative and calming properties. Studies show that lavender oil also has neuroprotective effects. It enhances dopamine receptors and works as an antioxidant. (21)

    To use lavender oil as a natural remedy for depression, add 5–10 drops to warm bath water, diffuse 5–10 drops in your bedroom at night to promote sleep, and apply 2–3 drops topically to the temples, chest and wrists in the morning.

    10. Roman Chamomile

    Roman chamomile essential oil works as a mild sedative that naturally calms nerves and promotes relaxation. Research shows that Roman chamomile oil can be used alone or in combination with lavender oil to improve sleep quality and reduce anxiety. (22)

    To use Roman chamomile as one of your natural remedies for depression, inhale the vapors directly from the bottle a few times a day, apply 2–3 drops topically to your wrists and back of neck, or diffuse 5–7 drops at home or at your workplace.

    Lifestyle:
    11. Build Relationships and Get Support

    Because depression is most commonly caused by emotional issues, it can become worse due to lack of positive relationships, low self confidence and lack of purpose. Find a strong community of friends that can support and encourage you, and focus on your spirituality and relationship with God. It’s also helpful to seek counseling with a professional so that you can manage stress and strategize about your treatment methods and goals.

    A 2013 study conducted at the University of Michigan found that the “quality of social relationships is a major risk factor for major depression.” Risk of depression was greatest among those with poor overall relationship quality, a lack of social support and social strains. Researchers found that these relationship statuses more than doubled the risk of depression. (23) It seems that personal relationships may be one of the most important natural remedies for depression.

    12. Exercise

    Exercise gives you a boost of energy, helps you to sleep better and builds confidence. These benefits of exercise will improve depressive symptoms and promote feelings of happiness and self-worth. A 2012 systematic review found that exercise can help to reduce the symptoms of depression, especially when its done in combination with psychological therapies. (24)

    Aim to exercise three to five days a week for 20 minutes or more. You can try any type of exercise that you like, such as yoga, pilates, running, barre, burst training and calisthenics. Even taking a walk outside will boost your happy hormones and energy levels. Of the natural remedies for depression, this is one that offers some of the most variety of options to choose from.

    13. Spend Time Outdoors

    Research shows that improving your vitamin D levels can help to reduce the symptoms of depression. In fact, the relationship between depression and vitamin D deficiency from a lack of sun exposure was first noted over two thousand years ago, according to researchers at the University of South Australia. (25) Aim for spending 10–20 minutes in the sun daily.

    Precautions
    If you are suffering from depression and want to use these natural remedies for depression to improve your symptoms, do it under the care and guidance of your health care provider or counselor. Don’t be afraid to ask for support, as it’s so important to get help when you need it. But, if you notice any adverse reactions to these natural treatments for depression, or your symptoms become worse, discontinue the use of that remedy and see your health care provider. Also, it may take three to four weeks to see improvements with some of these natural remedies for depression.

    Final Thoughts on Natural Remedies for Depression
    Depression is one of the main causes of disability in developed, as well as low and medium income countries, with around 150 million people suffering from depression worldwide.
    But, antidepressant medications come with a slew of side effects and people don’t know where to turn to find a treatment that won’t bring on more health problems.
    However, luckily there are natural remedies for depression like dietary changes, using essential oils for depression, supplementing with vitamin D3 and B vitamins, and making lifestyle changes. Seeking counseling and community support has also proven to be beneficial for people who are suffering from depressive symptoms.
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    It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between the banning of l-tryptophan in 1989 for a decade and how it's become difficult to find in the stores and the increase of depression since that time.

    https://healthwyze.org/reports/412-s...e-holistic-way

    https://www.supplements-and-health.c...ryptophan.html
    Last edited by Dr.3D; 04-09-2018 at 10:50 AM.

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    have a friend that dropped em by switching to CBD oil, AMAZING!

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

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    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between the banning of l-tryptophan in 1989 for a decade and how it's become difficult to find in the stores and the increase of depression since that time.

    https://healthwyze.org/reports/412-s...e-holistic-way

    https://www.supplements-and-health.c...ryptophan.html
    Excellent points. I am sure it's a combination of all the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    have a friend that dropped em by switching to CBD oil, AMAZING!
    Big pHARMa doesn't want to hear these stories. They will call you a conspiracy theorist for mentioning it while they are trying to patent synthetic Cannabis oil and then say it's the next best thing since sliced bread.
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    One cause of depression is not achieving goals and pursuing dreams. The last thing you want to do is to shut that off with drugs, unless you want to shut yourself off from your dreams completely. Shutting desires down will make you feel better, but when you come off the drugs, you will find you are even further from accomplishing your dreams.

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    Yeah getting off dope is sometimes hard doesn't matter if it comes out of a brown plastic bottle with a DEA number printed on it or out of a ziplock baggie.



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    I have the same problem with viagra. I took it for five years and can not stop. Although the doctor insisted me to quit it. What do you advise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravaleyall View Post
    I have the same problem with viagra. I took it for five years and can not stop. Although the doctor insisted me to quit it. What do you advise?
    Taper off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravaleyall View Post
    I have the same problem with viagra. I took it for five years and can not stop. Although the doctor insisted me to quit it. What do you advise?
    A quart of malt liquor and a blow job every day for 90 days will cure you . PM me for the address to mail the check to .
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    How many people start taking antidepressants before sorting out the real problem. And so on to infinity. Can not exist without them. I think the problem is that you need to understand the real problem. There is a very good site that writes about the problems associated with men's health. Very good articles that will help solve problems without resorting to antidepressants. calonmedical.com

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    Cocaine is an anti depressant, but it also causes radical depression when you
    you run out.
    I don't blame people for taking anti depressants , but find it very difficultto believe
    that they aren't fully aware that a 'fall' is in their future.
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    Not much different than being at the dealership buying your first new car;
    '' I'll take it''

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    You do not know what is in these things. You do not know how they work.

    No one, in fact, knows how they work.

    The top specialists neck-deep in devoting their lives to these drugs and this field still have no idea whatsoever how the very first substance discovered to be pychoactive in this way -- Lithium (good ole element #3) -- works or why it works or the first blasted thing about it.

    But they know how to prescribe it. And they know it makes money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    You do not know what is in these things. You do not know how they work.

    No one, in fact, knows how they work.
    There are of course theories on how they "work", and they have all been "tested" on millions of victims. But maybe it doesn't even matter "how" they work.
    Besides withdrawal effects, anti-depressants cause:

    Agression.

    Depression.

    Anxiety.

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    ANTIDEPRESSANTS - PROZAC
    I only wanted information on the most popular antidepressant Prozac (Fluoxetine), but found information on other antidepressants as well. Prozac is a Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and for 94% Fluoride, Fluoride is a highly toxic chemical waste from the production of aluminium (and other metals). The Nazis experimented with Fluoride to discover that their slave labourers in concentration camps became docile.
    The following story by psychiatrist Peter R. Breggin is based on scientific reports: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-pet...b_1077185.html
    The following report shows that receptors in the brain of rats diminish because of Prozac. Wamsley et al - Receptor alterations... (1987): http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/...DyxtuxA%2BM%3D0

    This can explain the effect of Prozac. When receptors are blocked, your brain is effectively blocked (coincidently antipsychotics also block receptors in the brain). The first few days this could result in blocking of all bad (depressed) thoughts and the first few days the (depressed) patient/victim could suddenly get euphoric. Of course not noticing things will result in apathy (docile). Because of missing stimulation they will get depressed and some start behaving extreme to try to get some kind of stimulation. This agitated hyperactivity is called manic, and the DSM has invented the manic depression label.

    The following literature review concludes that most patients stop taking antidepressants (because it doesn’t help). For Prozac the dropout rate was 40 to 54%. Andrews et al - Blue again: perturbational effects of antidepressants... (2011): http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/...tOlJ16rddQY%3D

    Prozac causes: suicidal and homicidal behaviour, impotence, anxiety, insomnia, akathisia, birth defects and withdrawal effects. The next study shows that long term antidepressants usage results in: Depression, Tardive Dyskinesia and Tardive Dysphoria. Any idea what psychopaths prescribe drugs that induce depression for depression? Mallakh et al – Tardive dysphoria: The role of long term antidepressant use... (2011): http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/...dqYCLNbqJQc%3D
    The following literature review shows that even on short term antidepressants are not better than placebo (these studies were even manipulated by the pharmaceutical industry). Kirsch - Initial Severity and Antidepressant Benefits... (2008): http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicin...ed.0050045.PDF


    SUICIDAL AND HOMOCIDAL BECAUSE OF THE DRUGS
    Regularly we hear in the news about some psychiatric patient that has committed murder. They never mention the fact that most of these psychiatric patients in question have become homicidal because of the prescribed psychiatric drugs.
    The manufacturer of Prozac (Ely Lilly) knew already in 1978 of these adverse effects of Prozac. In 1988 an intern report of Ely Lilly showed that 38% of the users of Prozac suffered from “reactions”. Not only are studies of the psychiatric drugs manipulated, but also judicial trials: http://ssristories.org/deadliest-mar...illy-suicides/

    The following article explains how this works, including at least 35 school shootings with 79 killed (including the 1999 Columbine high school) and at least 25 other acts of violence with 251 dead (including the airplane crash on March 24, 2015 in France that killed 150): https://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/t...hotropic-drug/

    The actual number of violence related to psychiatric drugs is much higher: between 2004 and 2012, there have been 14,773 reports to the U.S. FDA about psychiatric drugs causing violence. The FDA estimates that less than 1% of all serious events are reported.
    Here´s some scientific looking evidence to proof that psychiatric drugs cause violence. The following report shows that from 484 evaluable drugs, 31 cause violence, these 31 drugs accounted for 1527 out of 1937 cases of violence (79%): Varenicline (place 1), Fluoxetine (Prozac, place 2), Paroxetine (3), Amphetamines, Mefloquine, Atomoxetine, Triazolam, Fluvoxamine, Venlafaxine, Desvenlafaxine, Montelukast, Sertraline, Zolpidem, Escitalopram, Sodium oxybate, Citalopram, Aripiprazole, Oxycodone, Bupropion, Ziprasidone, Methylphenidate (Ritalin), Mirtazapine, Gabapentin, Levetiracetam, Diazepam, Alprazolam, Duloxetine, Clonazepam, Interferon alfa, Risperidone (Risperdal), Quetiapine (place 31). See Moore et al, Prescription Drugs Associated with Reports of Violence Towards Others (2010): http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0015337

    One of the drugs that make patients/victims homicidal is Wellbutrin (also known as Bupropion and Zyban), although it´s not even in the top 31 drugs of Moore et al.
    Here´s the connected story about how GlaxoSmithKline settled a law suit for 3 billion dollar regarding the illegal promotion of the drugs Advair, Avandia, Paxil and Wellbutrin in situations that were not approved by the FDA. GlaxoSmithKline paid TV-doctor Dr. Drew Pinsky (of “Lifechangers” and “Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew”) $275,000 in 1999 to advertise Wellbutrin on his shows: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...epressant.html
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    There are of course theories on how they "work", and they have all been "tested" on millions of victims. But maybe it doesn't even matter "how" they work.
    The question you have to ask yourself is:

    Do you want to be a walking chemistry experiment?

    Well? Do you, punk?



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    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    Do you want to be a walking chemistry experiment?

    Well? Do you, punk?
    They never gave me choice in the matter.

    The Dutch government had me locked up in a psychiatric "hospital" (worse than "One flew over the cuckoo´s nest") because I´m very "dangerous".
    The experiments performed by the sadistic psychiatrists were mostly based on the drugs.
    More than 50% of the psychiatric victims are actually relatively young.

    I don´t think that they have succeeded in "pacifying" me into becoming one of the many faceless cowards that look the other way while the crimes against humanity continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    They never gave me choice in the matter.

    The Dutch government had me locked up in a psychiatric "hospital" (worse than "One flew over the cuckoo´s nest") because I´m very "dangerous".
    The experiments performed by the sadistic psychiatrists were mostly based on the drugs.
    More than 50% of the psychiatric victims are actually relatively young.

    I don´t think that they have succeeded in "pacifying" me into becoming one of the many faceless cowards that look the other way while the crimes against humanity continue.
    Wow.



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    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    Wow.



    Hang in. The good fight.
    Don't fool yourself into believing it can't happen here. I live right next to Arkansas and have met people who made the mistake of criticizing the Clintons a little too accurately back in the eighties.

    Their nasty chemical of choice was Thorazine.
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    Don't fool yourself into believing it can't happen here. I live right next to Arkansas and have met people who made the mistake of criticizing the Clintons a little too accurately back in the eighties.
    Could the USA is even worse than the Kingdom of the Netherlands?
    I don't think so - the US isn't as completely censored as Europe. As a result it's relatively "easy" to find American stories on the horrors of (forced) psychiatry compared to European...

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    UHS is under federal investigation into whether the company committed Medicare fraud. More than 1 in 10 UHS psychiatric hospitals are being investigated criminally — including one that it is accused of locking patients/victims up who didn’t need hospitalisation.

    According to the law, psychiatric “patients” cannot legally be held against their will unless they pose a threat, but in practice psychiatric hospitals have almost unlimited powers to lock patients up against their will.
    In the first full year after UHS bought about 100 hospitals from Psychiatric Solutions Inc. (PSI), their use of “suicidal ideation” as code in Medicare had a more than six fold increase.
    By 2013, the code for “suicidal ideation” appeared in more than half of all Medicare claims by UHS hospitals. This is 4 ½ times the rate for non-UHS psychiatric hospitals.

    At some UHS hospitals, people came in because they saw advertisements for “free mental health assessments“. Most victims who came in didn’t need treatment, but staff was trained to admit anyone who had insurance.
    A former clinician said: “Your job is to get patients. And you get them however you get them”.

    According to a former admissions employee, when people call, they try to get them into the facility within 24 hours: “And the reason for getting them into the facility is that once they stepped foot in, they are behind locked doors”.
    Receptionist Lauren Singer explained that she controlled the lock to the front door with a button behind her desk and: “If someone came in voluntarily, I wasn’t allowed to let them out of the door”.
    A former intake worker said: “They think we’re going to diagnose them for anxiety or depression. Our goal is to admit them to the hospital”.

    A former admissions counsellor at Millwood said she was told to “play up the criteria” to get insurance to approve hospitalisation - exaggerate the “troubling” behaviour.
    One former manager at Salt Lake Behavioral explained: “Whatever manipulative strategies we could use, we were encouraged to”. If the patient was a mother, employees might threaten to call child protective services and have her children removed from her care.

    (...)

    UHS denied all wrongdoing and that they don’t “use threats of any kind” to try and “force patients to stay against their will”.
    UHS says: “Every patient care decision is made with the goal of furthering the best interests of our patients”.
    About 20 employees (out of 175) said UHS operates ethically and provides high-quality care.
    Carly Moore Sfregola, a spokesperson for the American Hospital Association, wrote, "They get to leave at any time of their own free will unless someone gets a court order to involuntarily commit the patient".

    UHS didn’t know that Buzzfeed had gotten hold of a 2014 “strategic plan”, in which Paul Sexton described extending patient stays as a means to meet financial goals. Sexton proposed to “develop and implement a plan to increase average length of stay”.
    Other executives confirmed this was a strategy to meet their budgets.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6627812
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Could the USA is even worse than the Kingdom of the Netherlands?
    I don't think so - the US isn't as completely censored as Europe. As a result it's relatively "easy" to find American stories on the horrors of (forced) psychiatry compared to European...

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?499682-Psychiatry-for-population-control&p=6627812&viewfull=1#post6627812
    It’s just censored more sophisticatedly.

    In Europe, they just ban things with the gov. directly. “Don’t question fake German war crime hoaxes, or global warming hoaxes, or the numinosity of rapeugees, or we will throw you in prison.”

    It’s like using a big club to chop down a tree, tbh. I’m kinda embarrassed for them. We all are.

    Here in the USofA we have some class and some taste. And some brains. Because open brute force censorship is really, really stupid when you can just as easily do covert and clever censorship. Here the gov has outsourced the censorship function. In Democracy, the media are the ones that actually run the country.

    We have a Mediocracy.

    Anyway, you put the media in control of one tiny ethnically and ideologically homogenous Cabal of people. They control all opinion and ruthlessly shut down any dissent. Rather than sending people to jail for violating written speech statutes (so passé) we destroy people’s careers, social lives, and families, “unpersoning” them. All done by the media and the civilian mobs they can gin up at will. No gov involvement whatsoever. “It’s just the NPCs, uhh, I mean your fellow citizens, expressing their consciences. Nothing to see here. Move along.” Who you gonna complain to? It’s a beautiful and sophisticated machine. I can admire it, as an engineer.

    Which is more effective as an object lesson to keep your peeps in Control: locking up some sympathetic grannies for believing obviously true things about the Holocaust? Or letting them see a brilliant scientist, who out-and-out founded one of your society’s major branches of science and perhaps the most high-profile cutting-edge branch, be kicked out of his own lab, exiled from all academia, never able to work again, stripped of his honors and titles and honorary degrees and such, and be lowered to have to literally auction off his Nobel Prize to support his family? True story. Which do you think?

    Ill tell you, normies see that second story happen, and see absolutely no one stand up for Watson ever, not a peep, and you’d better betcher racist hat they are N-E-V-R Never never never questioning narrative, much less sticking out a neck.

    USA, USA. We do everything bigger, better, and smarter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Don't fool yourself into believing it can't happen here. I live right next to Arkansas and have met people who made the mistake of criticizing the Clintons a little too accurately back in the eighties.

    Their nasty chemical of choice was Thorazine.
    Pizzagate is real.



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