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    Trump: 'We're going to be guarding our border with the military' until wall complete

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/polit...ary/index.html

    Trump says US has no border. Mexico has powerful border.

    No details on his idea were provided.

    President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he's calling on the military to guard the US-Mexico border until his long-promised border wall is complete.

    "I told Mexico, and I respect what they did, I said, look, your laws are very powerful, your laws are very strong. We have very bad laws for our border and we are going to be doing some things, I spoke with (Defense Secretary James) Mattis, we're going to do some things militarily. Until we can have a wall and proper security, we're going to be guarding our border with the military. That's a big step," he said during a luncheon with leaders of the Baltic states.

    He continued: "We cannot have people flowing into our country illegally, disappearing, and by the way never showing up for court."

    Asked to clarify his comments during a joint news conference, Trump said he is "preparing for the military to secure our border" and he would be attending a meeting on the topic of border security with Mattis and others "in a little while."

    Trump has privately floated the idea of funding construction of a border wall with Mexico through the US military budget in conversations with advisers, two sources confirmed to CNN last week. His remarks Tuesday come on the heels of multiple days of hardline immigration rhetoric from the Trump White House, with the President calling on Congress to pass strict border laws in a series of tweets beginning Sunday.

    This isn't the first time there's been talk of sending US troops to the border.

    Under President George W. Bush, a border deployment of the National Guard known as Operation Jump Start started in 2006 and lasted two years. The operation sent more than 6,000 troops to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas to repair secondary border fence, construct nearly 1,000 metal barriers and fly border protection agents by helicopter to intercept immigrants trying to enter illegally.

    In 2010, the Obama administration deployed National Guard troops as part of a border protection plan.

    Officials in 2010 said up to 1,200 National Guard troops would be in place along the US-Mexico border for up to a year to assist US Customs and Border Protection with surveillance and intelligence gathering while the agency worked to hire additional staff.

    And in 2014, as a surge of unaccompanied minors from Central America crossed into the United States, Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced the activation of up to 1,000 National Guard troops to help secure the southern border.

    Still, Trump's statement took many Pentagon officials by surprise Tuesday, in that they know of his desire to ratchet up border security, but are not sure what he meant exactly, according to multiple Defense Department and military officials.

    To fulfill his wishes, border states could send National Guard activated by their own state governors, an issue long complicated by whether the states or the federal government pay for it. Alternatively, the Defense Department could send either active duty or federally activated National Guard. Federal troops require certain documents and regulations, including an operational requirement, a unit identified, a strategy, and, although perhaps not formal, an exit strategy. That option also requires identifying rotational forces.

    Trump also spoke Tuesday about the caravan of migrants from Central America currently moving through Mexico who plan to turn themselves in and request asylum once they make it to the US border. He has demanded a halt to the caravan in a series of tweets.

    "If it reaches our border, our laws are so weak and so pathetic -- you (the Baltic leaders) would not understand this 'cause I know your laws are strong at the border -- it's like we have no border," he said.

    Trump said he told Mexico "very strongly" that "you're going to have to do something about these caravans."

    While he said the US is renegotiating the NAFTA trade deal with Mexico and Canada, he emphasized that border security would have to be part of the deal.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-03-2018 at 01:15 PM.



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    GOOD!
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    Hmm. Posse Comitatus?
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

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    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
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    Just put the whole guard there. With 350k members that are required to serve two weeks a year that would put a two man team every quarter mile of the 1,954 mile border 365 days a year. It's already funded and one of the purposes of the Guard is to repel invaders so it serves as training. Done deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Hmm. Posse Comitatus?
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    See: Annual ‘Caravan’ of Central-American Asylum Seekers – Heading to U.S.-Mexico Border – Sparks Trump’s Concern


    April 2nd, 2018


    ”Alex Mensing, one of the US collaborators who works for Pueblo Sin Fronteras, started in the city of Tapachula, which is located in the state of Chiapas, Mexico, and borders Guatemala. The caravan of about 1,100 people is currently in Oaxaca, Mexico, about 420 miles from their starting point. Mensing said the migrants would turn themselves in and request asylum.


    Pueblo Sin Fronteras said they would not respond to Trump's tweet, but stated that the refugee caravan "is a movement made of people who were forced to flee their countries of origin due to persecution and violence."



    Note: that Pueblo Sin Fronteras means people without borders.


    Keep in mind our Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. The fact is, our federal government is specifically charged with power:


    ”To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions” See Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15



    As President, and in compliance with our federal government’s duty to protect the United States against invasions, Trump should immediately call out the National Guard, place them on the border, block these invaders, and protect the United States against this pending invasion. To not block these invaders at our border and allow them entry into the United States will, by default, entitle them to stay while a long legal process takes place which essentially allows them to stay and burden American Citizens with the costs of their economic needs: food, shelter, clothing, public schooling, medical attention, including the costs of females giving birth.


    It’s time for President Trump to nip this madness in the bud, and do what is right for America’s citizens.



    JWK



    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America borders.


    Repelling invaders is not domestic law enforcement.
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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/polit...der/index.html

    The US doesn't have an ambassador to Mexico. Trump never nominated anybody.

    Mexican ambassador: Mexico doesn't welcome Trump's call for military to border

    The Mexican ambassador to the US said Tuesday that President Donald Trump's apparent call for the US military to guard the US-Mexico border is an unwelcome one.

    "It's certainly not something that the Mexican government welcomes, but as soon as we have further clarification, we can expect to have a better idea of where we are," Ambassador Gerónimo Gutiérrez said in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour.

    The Mexican ambassador stressed that his government is still trying to clarify what exactly Trump meant.
    Gutiérrez made his comments in response to Trump's claim earlier on Tuesday that he would have the US military guard the nation's southern border until his proposed wall is built. Although Trump wasn't specific about what the troops' scope and authority would be, both Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush oversaw temporary deployments of National Guard troops to the border during their tenures.

    The Mexican government has asked for formal clarification on Trump's comments, but Gutiérrez also said he had spoken with US Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen. He said he expected clarification within a few hours and supposed it was similar to previous moves by the US.

    "The (US) National Guard has been called before in different instances in past years in a supportive role," Gutiérrez said. "I would assume that that's what we're looking at."
    In the interview, Gutiérrez also responded to Trump's repeated statements about a caravan of Central American migrants that reached Mexico en route to the US. Gutiérrez said the people in the caravan are "not dangerous" and that it is important to separate the "shared challenges" of transnational organized crime and other security threats from "a humanitarian situation."

    Gutiérrez said likewise that the Mexican government shared a desire for a secure border with the United States, but acknowledged the two neighboring nations disagreed in major ways on how to achieve that security. He cited Trump's proposed border wall as an example and again stressed the Mexican government's position that it will not pay for Trump's wall.

    "A relation like the one between Mexico and the United States needs to have spaces in order to agree to disagree," he said. "The issue of the wall is certainly one of them, and as my government has clearly expressed already, Mexico by no means would be paying for a wall."

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    DOING THE JOB!

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    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


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    PRESIDENT TRUMP HOLDS JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE (4/3/2018) (Baltic Nations)




    US President Donald Trump has confirmed his intention to pull the country's troops from Syria,
    explaining that the US military presence on Syria's soil has benefited other countries more than Washington itself.

    "Our primary mission in terms of that was getting rid of ISIS [Daesh].
    We've almost completed that task and we'll be making a decision very quickly in coordination with others, as to what we'll do.
    Saudi Arabia is very interested in our decision,"
    Trump stated during a press conference with the heads of the three Baltic states.

    "I want to get out. I want to bring our troops home."




    Relations With Russia, Nord Stream 2

    The US president has also touched upon the strained relations with Moscow, speaking during the press-conference.

    "I think we’ll be able to have great dialogue, I hope,"
    "Nobody has been tougher on Russia than I have…
    With that being said I think I could have a very good relationship with [Russian] President [Vladimir] Putin, I think.
    It’s possible I won’t, and you will know about it."

    He went on saying that it was not right for Germany to spend billions on energy from Russia
    while failing to meet its two percent-of-GDP commitment to NATO.

    "NATO is taking in billions of dollars more because of me…
    Many of the countries were not paying, and even now Germany is paying one percent, and they are not even paying a full one percent,"
    "Germany hooks up a pipeline into Russia where Germany is going to be paying billions of dollars for energy into Russia.
    And I am saying what’s going on with that?
    How come Germany is paying vast amounts of money to Russia where they hook up a pipeline? That’s not right."


    Germany has repeatedly said the project is a commercial and economic enterprise, and that countries must abide by this principle.

    Earlier in March, a group of 39 US senators urged the US Treasury Department to try blocking the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline
    and consider imposing sanctions on companies involved in the project.

    Nord Stream 2 is a joint venture between Russia's Gazprom and France's Engie, Austria’s OMV AG, UK-Dutch Royal Dutch Shell, and Germany's Uniper and Wintershall.
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ps-withdrawal/
    Last edited by goldenequity; 04-03-2018 at 03:42 PM.



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    These invaders just gave Trump what a lot of U.S Citizens were calling for..... ��
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Repelling invaders is not domestic law enforcement.
    Honestly Sword, it would be domestic law enforcement.

    However, the military is perfectly legal to utilize for those situations under Presidential decree authorizing it under set parameters. In other words, there is nothing illegal about Trump following through with this statement. More so doing so to act as an augmentation force to border patrol. And agreed....and I say this as someone who is not really a fan of Trump....at least he is willing to take action.
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    Trump Deploys U.S. Military To Southern Border
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...outhern-border


    “Until we can have a wall and proper security, we are going to be guarding our border with the military. That's a big step,”
    Trump told reporters at the White House while sitting nearby Defense Secretary James Mattis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Repelling invaders is not domestic law enforcement.
    lol.

    Invaders......
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Trump says US has no border. Mexico has powerful border.
    Trump's followers are not at all bothered by his obvious admiration for foreign despotic regimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    lol.

    Invaders......
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    Seems logical that Trump would need a formal declaration of war against Mexico in order to stage troops on the border. How fun.

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    I’m alright with this.

    I have no problem with Mexicans and think the border Wall is stupid, but if the choice is between the Military being overseas being a offensive imperialistic force, or staying at home and protecting the borders I’m voting B every time.

    Still think that welfare is the cause of mass movement over the borders. End welfare and the phony drug war and the need for a fence is completely evaporated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Seems logical that Trump would need a formal declaration of war against Mexico in order to stage troops on the border. How fun.
    The border is in Mexico?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The border is in Mexico?!
    It isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Hmm. Posse Comitatus?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Repelling invaders is not domestic law enforcement.
    Yeah, this one may be Constitutional (for once). Sending national guard when there is a large group of foriegners threatening invasion is a defensive action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The border is in Mexico?!
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    It isn't?
    No, it's on the border.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, it's on the border.
    Is there any way I could blame the POTUS however? This guy is a bad role model and I am concerned my kids will not grow up in a country they deserve.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Seems logical that Trump would need a formal declaration of war against Mexico in order to stage troops on the border. How fun.
    He would only need one to invade Mexico.
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    No, the border isn't in Mexico, but legally, as I understand it, we would have to be at war with our neighbor in order for the military to be stationed and engaging in defense activities (not training) domestically (on our side of the border) or it would run afoul of the Posse Comitatus restriction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    I’m alright with this.

    I have no problem with Mexicans and think the border Wall is stupid, but if the choice is between the Military being overseas being a offensive imperialistic force, or staying at home and protecting the borders I’m voting B every time.


    Still think that welfare is the cause of mass movement over the borders. End welfare and the phony drug war and the need for a fence is completely evaporated.
    Pretty much.

    The thing about this 'caravan", to my understanding, is that this is the 5th year for a march, the people are asking both Mexico & the US for refuge, & last year 3 were allowed in the US but the qualifying process is still going on.

    Seems like a whole lotta screaming from DC for something not endangering- maybe to take our eye off the man behind the curtain?
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    Military Wall, $#@! yea!
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    Next step... deport all the zippy Juan's that made it past our border
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yeah, this one may be Constitutional (for once). Sending national guard when there is a large group of foriegners threatening invasion is a defensive action.
    If it's the "National Guard" then no issue. The National Guard has been doing border patrol duty for many years so that's not unprecedented, but Federal troops is a no go.

    I also think we need to tone down the "invasion" rhetoric. More like an Refugee exodus.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    If it's the "National Guard" then no issue. The National Guard has been doing border patrol duty for many years so that's not unprecedented, but Federal troops is a no go.

    I also think we need to tone down the "invasion" rhetoric. More like an Refugee exodus.
    Exactly.
    There is no spoon.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    I’m alright with this.

    I have no problem with Mexicans and think the border Wall is stupid, but if the choice is between the Military being overseas being a offensive imperialistic force, or staying at home and protecting the borders I’m voting B every time.

    Still think that welfare is the cause of mass movement over the borders. End welfare and the phony drug war and the need for a fence is completely evaporated.
    This is my take also.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Seems logical that Trump would need a formal declaration of war against Mexico in order to stage troops on the border. How fun.
    when was the last time we "formally" declared war with congressional approval?

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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