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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I hope they make it. America could use 1200 people with the courage and tenacity to make such a march. That said, by the time they get here, Nicaragua's economy might be better than ours if many more of these omnibus bills get signed.

    I see the term "army" was used. What are they armed with? Satan 2's? Are they a threat to our military defenses?

    Can we send 1200 beanerphobics to Central America in exchange? I'll chip in for the airlift.
    Why don't you just advocate for making O'Bummer President for life and get it over with?
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    What matters is the laws and conditions that exist now.
    Sounds like you're walking back your claim that "if this is allowed, we don't have a country."



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I hope they make it. America could use 1200 people with the courage and tenacity to make such a march. That said, by the time they get here, Nicaragua's economy might be better than ours if many more of these omnibus bills get signed.

    I see the term "army" was used. What are they armed with? Satan 2's? Are they a threat to our military defenses?

    Can we send 1200 beanerphobics to Central America in exchange? I'll chip in for the airlift.
    Or can they be called cowards for leaving behind their homeland to thieves and murderers seeking an easy escape and to be taken care of here? The legal immigration process takes courage, time investment, and hard work. You think these foreign nationals intend to help create a more libertarian society you hope for? Or will they be used as pawns by communists and socialists?

    They have announced their intention to violate our laws and sovereignty. Maybe army is not the right term, but certainly a hostile force.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    NAFTA is bad for everyone but the oligarchs and all three countries' politicians share responsibility for it.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Manipulated numbers, even if wealth grew that much (IT DIDN'T) it all went to the corrupt power brokers who created NAFTA.
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  8. #36
    A field army (or numbered army or simply army) is a military formation in many armed forces, composed of two or more corps and may be subordinate to an army group. Likewise, air armies are equivalent formation within some air forces. A field army is composed of 100,000 to 150,000 troops.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_army
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  9. #37

    Hispandering increases illegal alien flow - amnesty, sanctuary, thank Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why don't you just advocate for making O'Bummer President for life and get it over with?

    This groups handlers are responding to President Trump's request to congress for DACA amnesty for the illegal aliens that he's providing sanctuary to, his willingness to go way over the number of registered "Dream Students", and the fact that deportation numbers are at record lows. Their odds of not being deported and recieving amnesty are the best in a long time.



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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Sounds like you're walking back your claim that "if this is allowed, we don't have a country."
    You perfectly represented my point for me. The government and society envisioned by our founders no longer exists due to open borders and the influence of foreign ideologies. A Cuban refugee and Parkland High student just lead a march on DC to repeal the 2nd amendment.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  11. #39
    Why doesn't Mexico welcome them with open arms instead of helping them travel to our borders?
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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    You perfectly represented my point for me. The government and society envisioned by our founders no longer exists due to open borders and the influence of foreign ideologies. A Cuban refugee and Parkland High student just lead a march on DC to repeal the 2nd amendment.
    You are right. There are still some who object to this but give it time and we'll be like the rest of the world. Accepting you do not know what is better for you will allow you to make this transition smoother than it would otherwise have to be.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post

    measured in what? FRNs? Ever heard of money printing and inflation?
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    measured in what? FRNs? Ever heard of money printing and inflation?
    Dude's been on the site only for 10 years and is slowly catching on. Give it another 10 and I am sure everybody will be happy we didn't pass on this talent.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    This groups handlers are responding to President Trump's request to congress for DACA amnesty for the illegal aliens that he's providing sanctuary to, his willingness to go way over the number of registered "Dream Students", and the fact that deportation numbers are at record lows. Their odds of not being deported and recieving amnesty are the best in a long time.
    Then these people are being lied to. The Whitehouse proposal merely extended the original DACA program and requirements to all eligible persons, which was estimated to be an additional 1.3 million. One of the requirements is someone has to show that they entered the US prior to June, 2007. Deportation numbers down? ICE has stepped up raids and apprehensions nationwide. The only thing slowing deportations is the back logged immigration courts and sanctuary cities shielding violent criminals.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  17. #44
    Well, i guess....
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Sure there was. In proportion to the nation's existing population, immigration was an even greater factor then than it is now.

    The crucial difference, in the eyes of some, is that back then the immigrants were almost all white.
    We could just declare war on Mexico again and take the rest of their land and population. Problem solved.
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  19. #46
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica...93American_War

    U.S. forces quickly occupied the capital town of Santa Fe de Nuevo México along the upper Rio Grande and the Pacific coast territory province of Alta California (Upper California), and then invaded to the south into parts of central Mexico (modern-day northeastern Mexico and northwest Mexico); meanwhile, the Pacific Squadron of the United States Navy conducted a blockade, and took control of several garrisons on the Pacific Ocean western coast farther south in lower Baja California Territory. The U.S. Army, under the command of Major General Winfield Scott, after several fierce battles of stiff resistance from the Mexican Army outside of the capital, Mexico City, eventually captured the city, having marched west from the port of Veracruz, where the Americans staged their first amphibious landing on the Gulf of Mexico coast.

    The 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, forced onto the remnant Mexican government, ended the war and specified its major consequence, the Mexican Cession of the northern territories of Alta California and Santa Fe de Nuevo México to the United States. The U.S. agreed to pay $15 million compensation for the physical damage of the war. In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt already owed earlier by the Mexican government to U.S. citizens. Mexico acknowledged the loss of their province, later Republic of Texas (and now State of Texas), and thereafter cited and acknowledged the Rio Grande as its future northern national border with the United States. Mexico had lost over one-third of its original territory from its 1821 independence.
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  20. #47




    "Huge Caravan" Of Central American Refugees Is Headed For The U.S. Border
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...r-hopes-asylum


    Help along the way

    Despite a majority of the Hondurans being in Mexico illegally - which Mexican authorities have historically been stringent about, the caravan has not been stopped on its journey, and people from Mexican towns along the way have been helping the migrants.

    The group is also planning to take "the Train of Death" in Arriaga in order to expedite the journey north, and several towns have provided buses to help the migrants along.



    “The crime rate is horrible, you can't live there,” a migrant named "Karen" told BuzzFeed News on the side of a highway near the Southern Mexico town of Huixtla. “After the president [was sworn in] it got worse. There were deaths, mobs, robbed homes, adults and kids were beaten up.”

    "They want to reach the border and ask for asylum, the majority flee from gang violence, extortion and police abuses," says one of the organizers named Garibo.



  21. #48
    Last edited by aGameOfThrones; 03-31-2018 at 11:02 PM.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Why doesn't Mexico welcome them with open arms instead of helping them travel to our borders?
    I'm bet Mexico would deport them all or stop them at their southern border if there was any sign that their intent was to settle in Mexico.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica...93American_War

    U.S. forces quickly occupied the capital town of Santa Fe de Nuevo México along the upper Rio Grande and the Pacific coast territory province of Alta California (Upper California), and then invaded to the south into parts of central Mexico (modern-day northeastern Mexico and northwest Mexico); meanwhile, the Pacific Squadron of the United States Navy conducted a blockade, and took control of several garrisons on the Pacific Ocean western coast farther south in lower Baja California Territory. The U.S. Army, under the command of Major General Winfield Scott, after several fierce battles of stiff resistance from the Mexican Army outside of the capital, Mexico City, eventually captured the city, having marched west from the port of Veracruz, where the Americans staged their first amphibious landing on the Gulf of Mexico coast.

    The 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, forced onto the remnant Mexican government, ended the war and specified its major consequence, the Mexican Cession of the northern territories of Alta California and Santa Fe de Nuevo México to the United States. The U.S. agreed to pay $15 million compensation for the physical damage of the war. In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt already owed earlier by the Mexican government to U.S. citizens. Mexico acknowledged the loss of their province, later Republic of Texas (and now State of Texas), and thereafter cited and acknowledged the Rio Grande as its future northern national border with the United States. Mexico had lost over one-third of its original territory from its 1821 independence.
    The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

    The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo looms larger in the history of Mexico than in that of the United States. Partly because of the loss of valuable territory, the treaty ensured that Mexico would remain an underdeveloped country well into the twentieth century. Mexican historians and politicians view this treaty as a bitter lesson in U.S. aggression. As a result of the humiliation of the war and the loss of more than half of the national territory, young Mexicans embraced a reform movement, headed by Benito Juarez, governor of Oaxaca, who had opposed the treaty. In the 1850s the reformers came to power in Mexico vowing to strengthen the country's political system so that never again would they be victims of U.S. aggression. Benito Juarez's La Reforma was the start of a political and economic modernization process that continues to this day in Mexico.

    The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo has had implications not only for relations between the two countries but also for international law. Interpretations of the provisions of the treaty have been important in disputes over international boundaries, water and mineral rights, and the civil and property rights of the descendants of the Mexicans in the ceded territories. Since 1848 there have been hundreds of court cases citing the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo as a basis for land claims, but few Mexican claimants were successful in retaining their land.

    Since 1848 Native Americans and Mexican Americans have struggled to achieve political and social equality within the United States, often citing the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo as a document that promised civil and property rights. Although the treaty promised U.S. citizenship to former Mexican citizens, the Native Americans in the ceded territories, who in fact were Mexican citizens, were not given full U.S. citizenship until the 1930s. Former Mexican citizens were almost universally considered foreigners by the U.S. settlers who moved into the new territories. In the first half century after ratification of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, hundreds of state, territorial, and federal legal bodies produced a complex tapestry of conflicting opinions and decisions bearing on the meaning of the treaty. The property rights seemingly guaranteed in Articles VIII and IX of the treaty (and in the Protocol of Queretaro) were not all they seemed. In. U.S. courts, the property rights of former Mexican citizens in California, New Mexico, and Texas proved to be fragile. Within a generation the Mexican-Americans became a disenfranchised, poverty-stricken minority.
    http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar...guadalupe.html
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  25. #51
    old news.
    Published on Nov 25, 2013

    Last edited by goldenequity; 04-01-2018 at 12:14 AM.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "Us" refers to citizens and legal residents of the freest nation on the planet.

    P.S. Maybe the Injuns should have done a better job of keeping out invaders and maybe we should learn from their failure.
    Sadly, the Indians were a little too trusting when the pilgrims first arrived. That said, the US is not the freest country at this moment.

    Sadly, America's Not the Freest Country in the World
    The U.S. used to come in second or third in rankings, but according to the latest Human Freedom Index it's at 17.
    John Stossel | January 31, 2018

    Is America the world's freest country? Sadly, no.

    When researchers first started doing detailed international comparisons, the USA came in second or third. This year, however, we ranked 17th.

    The comparison I cite is the newly released Human Freedom Index, compiled by the Fraser and Cato Institutes. They compared economic freedoms such as freedom to trade, amount of regulations and tax levels, plus personal freedoms such as women's rights and religious freedom.

    Their new report concludes that the world's freest countries are now:

    1. Switzerland.
    2. Hong Kong.
    3. New Zealand.
    4. Ireland.
    5. Australia.

    "The United States used to have one of the freest economies in the world," Index co-author Ian Vasquez says. "It used to be a two, three or four, and then government started to grow [and] spend more."

    Republicans and Democrats, under Presidents Bush and Obama, voted for increases in spending and regulation. Obama tried to make tax increases sound harmless. "Those who are more fortunate are going to have to pay a little bit more."

    The result was that we fell farther from the top of the freedom ranking. Switzerland now takes first place. It has comparatively little regulation, low taxes, a free press and personal freedoms such as same-sex marriage.

    A good ranking matters, not just because freedom itself is a good thing, but because economic freedom allows people to prosper.

    Consider the story of Hong Kong, No. 2 on the overall freedom list (but No. 1 in economic freedom). In just 50 years, people in Hong Kong went from being among the poorest in the world to among the richest.

    Prosperity happened because Hong Kong's government puts few obstacles in the way of trying new things. It took me just a few hours to get legal permission to open a business in Hong Kong. In New York, it took months. In India, I didn't even try—it would have taken years.

    That's a reason India stays poor. Bureaucrats have the power to review and reject most any new idea. Fewer new ideas get tried.
    https://reason.com/archives/2018/01/...est-country-in
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...t-country.html
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Since 1848 Native Americans and Mexican Americans have struggled to achieve political and social equality within the United States, often citing the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo as a document that promised civil and property rights. Although the treaty promised U.S. citizenship to former Mexican citizens, the Native Americans in the ceded territories, who in fact were Mexican citizens, were not given full U.S. citizenship until the 1930s. Former Mexican citizens were almost universally considered foreigners by the U.S. settlers who moved into the new territories. In the first half century after ratification of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, hundreds of state, territorial, and federal legal bodies produced a complex tapestry of conflicting opinions and decisions bearing on the meaning of the treaty. The property rights seemingly guaranteed in Articles VIII and IX of the treaty (and in the Protocol of Queretaro) were not all they seemed. In. U.S. courts, the property rights of former Mexican citizens in California, New Mexico, and Texas proved to be fragile. Within a generation the Mexican-Americans became a disenfranchised, poverty-stricken minority.
    Boo Hoo.

    Mexico's record is clean?


    Partly because of the loss of valuable territory, the treaty ensured that Mexico would remain an underdeveloped country well into the twentieth century.
    Bunk, their underdevelopment has nothing to do with the loss of territory, they had everything they needed in their current territory.

    As a result of the humiliation of the war and the loss of more than half of the national territory, young Mexicans embraced a reform movement, headed by Benito Juarez, governor of Oaxaca, who had opposed the treaty. In the 1850s the reformers came to power in Mexico vowing to strengthen the country's political system so that never again would they be victims of U.S. aggression. Benito Juarez's La Reforma was the start of a political and economic modernization process that continues to this day in Mexico.
    So which is it? Did the war stunt them or launch their economic modernization process?
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Sadly, the Indians were a little too trusting when the pilgrims first arrived.
    We shouldn't emulate their error.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Fake news.
    Even if it were true bringing in a a horde of leftist barbarians will only make things worse.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    EDIT: @goldenequity this is an old story:
    Published at 6:08 PM PST on Nov 25, 2013 | Updated at 11:03 AM PST on Nov 26, 2013 /EDIT


    A crowd of more than 100 people pelted Border Patrol agents with rocks and bottles as they tried to cross into the U.S. illegally, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
    The incident happened Sunday in the Tijuana River channel, near the San Ysidro Port of Entry.
    According to CBP, a Border Patrol agent ordered the Mexican nationals to stop, but they continued walking into the U.S.
    Officials said the agent fired a PepperBall Launcher, but it did not deter the crowd.


    “They had their phones out so this group was out to spark an incident. That's what they wanted to do, “ Border Patrol Union representative Gabriel Pacheco said.
    Had cooler heads not prevailed it could have ended much worse, he said.
    Even with reinforcements, agents were outnumbered, dodging threats, rocks and bottles.


    More agents responded as the crowd became “unruly,” even hitting one agent in the head with a full water bottle, officials said.
    According to CBP, the agents used “intermediate use-of-force” devices, and the group retreated back to the Mexican side of the border.
    No one was arrested.

    https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...233397971.html
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Boo Hoo.

    Mexico's record is clean?



    Bunk, their underdevelopment has nothing to do with the loss of territory, they had everything they needed in their current territory.


    So which is it? Did the war stunt them or launch their economic modernization process?
    History Guy:
    The U.S.-Mexican War (1846-1848)

    The Mexican-American War was the first major conflict driven by the idea of "Manifest Destiny"; the belief that America had a God-given right, or destiny, to expand the country's borders from 'sea to shining sea'. This belief would eventually cause a great deal of suffering for many Mexicans, Native Americans and United States citizens. Following the earlier Texas War of Independence from Mexico, tensions between the two largest independent nations on the North American continent grew as Texas eventually became a U.S. state. Disputes over the border lines sparked military confrontation, helped by the fact that President Polk eagerly sought a war in order to seize large tracts of land from Mexico.

    CAUSES OF CONFLICT:


    The war between the United States and Mexico had two basic causes. First, the desire of the U.S. to expand across the North American continent to the Pacific Ocean caused conflict with all of its neighbors; from the British in Canada and Oregon to the Mexicans in the southwest and, of course, with the Native Americans. Ever since President Jefferson's acquisition of the Louisiana Territory in 1803, Americans migrated westward in ever increasing numbers, often into lands not belonging to the United States. By the time President Polk came to office in 1845, an idea called "Manifest Destiny" had taken root among the American people, and the new occupant of the White House was a firm believer in the idea of expansion. The belief that the U.S. basically had a God-given right to occupy and "civilize" the whole continent gained favor as more and more Americans settled the western lands. The fact that most of those areas already had people living upon them was usually ignored, with the attitude that democratic English-speaking America, with its high ideals and Protestant Christian ethics, would do a better job of running things than the Native Americans or Spanish-speaking Catholic Mexicans. Manifest Destiny did not necessarily call for violent expansion. In both 1835 and 1845, the United States offered to purchase California from Mexico, for $5 million and $25 million, respectively. The Mexican government refused the opportunity to sell half of its country to Mexico's most dangerous neighbor.

    The second basic cause of the war was the Texas War of Independence and the subsequent annexation of that area to the United States. Not all American westward migration was unwelcome. In the 1820's and 1830's, Mexico, newly independent from Spain, needed settlers in the underpopulated northern parts of the country. An invitation was issued for people who would take an oath of allegiance to Mexico and convert to Catholicism, the state religion. Thousands of Americans took up the offer and moved, often with slaves, to the Mexican province of Texas. Soon however, many of the new "Texicans" or "Texians" were unhappy with the way the government in Mexico City tried to run the province. In 1835, Texas revolted, and after several bloody battles, the Mexican President, Santa Anna, was forced to sign the Treaty of Velasco in 1836 . This treaty gave Texas its independence, but many Mexicans refused to accept the legality of this document, as Santa Anna was a prisoner of the Texans at the time. The Republic of Texas and Mexico continued to engage in border fights and many people in the United States openly sympathized with the U.S.-born Texans in this conflict. As a result of the savage frontier fighting, the American public developed a very negative stereotype against the Mexican people and government. Partly due to the continued hostilities with Mexico, Texas decided to join with the United States, and on July 4, 1845, the annexation gained approval from the U.S. Congress.
    . One interesting aspect of the war involves the fate of U.S. Army deserters of Irish origin who joined the Mexican Army as the Batallón San Patricio (Saint Patrick's Battalion). This group of Catholic Irish immigrants rebelled at the abusive treatment by Protestant, American-born officers and at the treatment of the Catholic Mexican population by the U.S. Army. At this time in American history, Catholics were an ill-treated minority, and the Irish were an unwanted ethnic group in the United States. In September, 1847, the U.S. Army hanged sixteen surviving members of the San Patricios as traitors. To this day, they are considered heroes in Mexico.
    https://www.historyguy.com/Mexican-A...l#.WsB3vf0lFZo
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  32. #57
    Yawn.

    Not a rebuttal of my post.

    Mexico wasn't an innocent victim nor is it's record clean of bloody conquest or mistreatment of the natives or it's own citizens.

    In any case it is all history now.

    (And I see no reason we should repeat their mistake with Texas.)

    Please do keep bringing up examples of immigrants seizing territory from it's former owners.
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  33. #58
    What is your solution @Swordsmyth? Crawl out of newsbot mode w/ the ass-kisser option and form a thought.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    What is your solution @Swordsmyth? Crawl out of newsbot mode w/ the ass-kisser option and form a thought.
    You could propose something on your own.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    What is your solution @Swordsmyth? Crawl out of newsbot mode w/ the ass-kisser option and form a thought.
    Yawn.

    You amuse me.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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