An army of illegal aliens is marching on America

[dannno]

Uh huh.



Link?



Link?



WTF is exactly what I thought after reading all of that.



Link?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6612560

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6612669

[TheCount]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6612560

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6612669

None of the things that you claimed that I said are in those posts. If they had been, you would have quoted it.

Don't you have better things to do with your time than blatantly making $#@! up about other members? A GoFundMe for a wall, maybe? Pretending to be winning so much that you're tured of winning?

[timosman]

None of the things that you claimed that I said are in those posts. If they had been, you would have quoted it.

Don't you have better things to do with your time than blatantly making $#@! up about other members? A GoFundMe for a wall, maybe? Pretending to be winning so much that you're tured of winning?

At least he's not projecting.

[PierzStyx]

Tell it to Mexico about the Texans.

Wait, you wnat to be more like Mexico? I thought the whole point was to be less Mexico!

If we are deporting people who want to ruin this country by making it more like Mexico then we should be throwing you out too! You'r ethe oen making America more liek Socialist Mexico, not the Mexican immigrants!

[Swordsmyth]

Wait, you wnat to be more like Mexico? I thought the whole point was to be less Mexico!

If we are deporting people who want to ruin this country by making it more like Mexico then we should be throwing you out too! You'r ethe oen making America more liek Socialist Mexico, not the Mexican immigrants!

Are you drunk?

[johnwk]

Originally Posted by PierzStyx

Wait, you wnat to be more like Mexico? I thought the whole point was to be less Mexico!

If we are deporting people who want to ruin this country by making it more like Mexico then we should be throwing you out too! You'r ethe oen making America more liek Socialist Mexico, not the Mexican immigrants!

Are you drunk?

Agent Provocateur may be more to the point!




JWK






They are not “liberals”. They are part of a Fifth Column movement which has no intention to adhere to our written Constitution and its legislative intent which gives context to its text.

[Swordsmyth]

Agent Provocateur may be more to the point!




JWK






They are not “liberals”. They are part of a Fifth Column movement which has no intention to adhere to our written Constitution and its legislative intent which gives context to its text.

Possibly both, he isn't usually this simpletonish.

[timosman]

Possibly both, he isn't usually this simpletonish.

The office manual says his efforts should be more rewarding so the frustration grows.

[PierzStyx]

What do you call it when someone breaks into your home and rapes your daughter?


When you start allowing anyone to enter your home and take advantage of your accommodations, get back to us, or give it a freaken break pal.


JWK

Talk about a terrible fallacy.

You don't privately own the USA. Therefore it can't even be compared to "your home." The USA isn't "yours" nor doe sit belong to anyone else.

But, even going by your logic your argument fails.

I mean, let us assume that the USA is like a house. In this analogy everyone who is a US citizen shares ownership in the house, like good little Socialists and Fascists. Well, I'm a USA citizen, meaning I own the house equally with you. In that case I can invite anyone I want to the house. You can't stop me since you don't own the house anymore than I do. And since I want to invite everyone who wants to come over, they can come. You have no right to stop them. After all, we both own the house equally and have equal rights to invite whoever we want over.

The best you then can do is keep the people I invite out of your private space, which we both acknowledge is NOT the entire house (or country) as I can go anywhere in the house I want that we share equal command over. For our analogy let us call this your bedroom. So I can invite anyone I want over, you can't stop me as we both own the house equally, and the only space you can limit access to is the space you and I don't share an equal command over. What then would be your bedroom in the real world? Your private property. This makes sense as you and I can go anywhere we want in the country but I can't go onto that land which si specifically yours without your permission, just like your bedroom in our analogous house.

So, even by your argument -America is like a house- the only logical and moral conclusion is that you have no legal, moral, or ethical right to regulate who comes in or out of the country, only that part of the country you control- i.e. your private property.

As for rape:

The average age of rapists at arrest is 31. Fifty-two percent are white; twenty-two percent of imprisoned rapists report that they are married.

Stats don't lie. If we are throwing people out of the country who are the greatest rape threat then married white men is where we should start. But the facts don't fit your moronic Fascist agenda, do they?

[PierzStyx]

Earth.
Also the natural outcome of Anarchy.
The best you can do is claim an area, establish liberty inside it and then defend it against enemies foreign and domestic.

Wait, did you say that Earth is the natural outcome of anarchy? Well of course it is, humanity and liberty are teh natural consequences of all forms of non-state ideologies, from libertarianism to anarchy.

Other than your obviously Freudian slip though, lets all point out that you think life on Earth should mirror prison. After all I asked:

What do you call it when you live in a place surrounded by walls with people who will shoot you for trying to pass through those walls and you have no freedom to choose who you will associate with, and everyone has to belong to one of the gangs in order to survive?

and you answered

Earth

So that means you think Earth should be a prison. Well, thank you for coming out of the closet on this one. No one here should have any doubt that you are a literal Fascist now. You aren't a minarchist, libertarian, or anything else. You literally want to turn the entire world into a prison where no one has any freedom, and liberty, no ability to travel, where everyone belongs to gangs, and everyone is shot for disobey the government. And in true Orwellian doublespeak, yet again, you try and call this obvious Fascist oppression "liberty."

[PierzStyx]

Are you drunk?

Hey, you're the one saying we should treat people in the USA to how Mexico treats Texans.

I would ask are you stupid. But I know the answer to that one.

[Swordsmyth]

Talk about a terrible fallacy.

You don't privately own the USA. Therefore it can't even be compared to "your home." The USA isn't "yours" nor doe sit belong to anyone else.

But, even going by your logic your argument fails.

I mean, let us assume that the USA is like a house. In this analogy everyone who is a US citizen shares ownership in the house, like good little Socialists and Fascists. Well, I'm a USA citizen, meaning I own the house equally with you. In that case I can invite anyone I want to the house. You can't stop me since you don't own the house anymore than I do. And since I want to invite everyone who wants to come over, they can come. You have no right to stop them. After all, we both own the house equally and have equal rights to invite whoever we want over.

The best you then can do is keep the people I invite out of your private space, which we both acknowledge is NOT the entire house (or country) as I can go anywhere in the house I want that we share equal command over. For our analogy let us call this your bedroom. So I can invite anyone I want over, you can't stop me as we both own the house equally, and the only space you can limit access to is the space you and I don't share an equal command over. What then would be your bedroom in the real world? Your private property. This makes sense as you and I can go anywhere we want in the country but I can't go onto that land which si specifically yours without your permission, just like your bedroom in our analogous house.

So, even by your argument -America is like a house- the only logical and moral conclusion is that you have no legal, moral, or ethical right to regulate who comes in or out of the country, only that part of the country you control- i.e. your private property.

All joint ventures are run one of two ways, either a manager is appointed and he makes the rules or things are run by majority vote, you can't violate the rules just because you own one share of stock.

As for rape:



Stats don't lie. If we are throwing people out of the country who are the greatest rape threat then married white men is where we should start. But the facts don't fit your moronic Fascist agenda, do they?

American citizens have a right to be here that can't be violated based on a statistic, foreigners don't have a right to come here so we can manage the extension of the privilege based on any criteria we want.
In case you didn't know: Illegal Immigrants commit violent crime at a much higher rate per capita than citizens or legal immigrants.

[PierzStyx]

Agent Provocateur may be more to the point!




JWK

Someone has to provoke dissent from your Fascist policies and agitate for Liberty amongst authoritarians such as yourself.

[Swordsmyth]

Hey, you're the one saying we should treat people in the USA to how Mexico treats Texans.

That is not what I said.

I would ask are you stupid. But I know the answer to that one.

There is a threshold of stupidity where the victim is so simple minded they come to believe they are brilliant and everyone else is stupid

[Swordsmyth]

Wait, did you say that Earth is the natural outcome of anarchy? Well of course it is, humanity and liberty are teh natural consequences of all forms of non-state ideologies, from libertarianism to anarchy.

Other than your obviously Freudian slip though, lets all point out that you think life on Earth should mirror prison. After all I asked:



So that means you think Earth should be a prison. Well, thank you for coming out of the closet on this one. No one here should have any doubt that you are a literal Fascist now. You aren't a minarchist, libertarian, or anything else. You literally want to turn the entire world into a prison where no one has any freedom, and liberty, no ability to travel, where everyone belongs to gangs, and everyone is shot for disobey the government. And in true Orwellian doublespeak, yet again, you try and call this obvious Fascist oppression "liberty."

You are drunk.

Earth is a prison and I want to create a zone where that is less true, the CURRENT state of earth as a prison is the natural outcome of anarchy, the strong prey upon the weak and create tyranny.

[PierzStyx]

All joint ventures are run one of two ways, either a manager is appointed and he makes the rules or things are run by majority vote, you can't violate the rules just because you own one share of stock.

A house isn't a joint venture. Well all own it equally. Isn't that the Fascist propaganda you spew, that all Americans own America as common property? It isn't a business but a property all have an equal say in.

American citizens have a right to be here that can't be violated based on a statistic, foreigners don't have a right to come here so we can manage the extension of the privilege based on any criteria we want.

Foreign or native born is irrelevant when discussing rights. As Thomas Jefferson acknowledged in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

All men are created equal by God with the exact same rights. Doesn't matter where you're from or where you're going. Mexicans and Americans both have the same rights. If Americans have a right to travel across unowned land, so do Mexicans. And if you have the right to steal the life, liberty, and property of a Mexican simply because he or she shares some categorical association with a criminal then you can do the same for Americans. If you can't do it to Americans though then you can't do it to Mexicans. Because Americans and Mexicans have equal natural, God-given rights.


In case you didn't know: Illegal Immigrants commit violent crime at a much higher rate per capita than citizens or legal immigrants.

This is easily proven false:

Noncitizens accounted for 4 percent of the total prison population in the states, according to reports from the Bureau of Justice Statistics from 2013 to 2016, the most recent year for which data are available. (This figure excludes California and a handful of other states that did not provide data on noncitizen prisoners to the Justice Department.)

At the federal level, noncitizens made up 11 percent to 12 percent of the total prison population from 2013 to 2015, the reports show. The Bureau of Justice Statistics changed its methodology in 2018 at the request of the Justice Department, said Elizabeth Ann Carson, the bureau’s statistician. So in the 2016 report, the number of noncitizen federal prisoners jumped from 21,479 to 39,956, or from 11 percent of the federal prison population to 21 percent, because of this methodology change, she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.57f4a6ff338b

And

There were an estimated 2,007,502 natives, 122,939 il legal immigrants, and 63,994 legal immigrants incarcerated in 2014. The incarceration rate was 1.53 percent for natives, 0.85 percent for illegal immigrants, and 0.47 percent for legal immigrants (see Figure 1). Illegal immigrants are 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 69 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal and illegal immigrants are underrepresented in the incarcerated population while natives are overrepresented (see Figure 2). If native-born Americans were incarcerated at the same rate as illegal immigrants, about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated. If natives were incarcerated at the same rate as legal immigrants, about 1.4 million fewer natives would be incarcerated.

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.o...on_brief-1.pdf

Immigrants of all types commit far fewer crimes than native born populations. Not that I expect things like human rights and facts to stand in the way of your violent Fascist collectivism.

[Danke]

"You don't privately own the USA. Therefore it can't even be compared to "your home." The USA isn't "yours" nor doe sit belong to anyone else." -PierzStyx

Then why do I have to pay for it?

[Swordsmyth]

This is easily proven false:



And



Immigrants of all types commit far fewer crimes than native born populations. Not that I expect things like human rights and facts to stand in the way of your violent Fascist collectivism.

I said violent crimes NOT all crimes.

Also I have seen statistics that contradict yours.

[Raginfridus]

"You don't privately own the USA. Therefore it can't even be compared to "your home." The USA isn't "yours" nor doe sit belong to anyone else." -PierzStyx

Then why do I have to pay for it?

Good question...

[PierzStyx]

You are drunk.

Earth is a prison and I want to create a zone where that is less true, the CURRENT state of earth as a prison is the natural outcome of anarchy, the strong prey upon the weak and create tyranny.

No, you are simply stupid if you expect a planet full of nation-states is "anarchy." You're either a fool who doesn't know what "anarchy" means (which, lets be obvious, you don't) or you're a damn fool for expecting us to believe that by turning the USA into a giant prison people will somehow be more free. Especially when you launch into this "strong prey on the weak" drivel while advocating for a strong central state to hunt, attack, seize all the property of, cage, and or kill illegal immigrants who are almost always poor and weak with no power or influence in the country. You're a two-bit Fascist whose only goal is to hurt others while calling it "helping." I can't think of person whose whole belief system better represents "Freedom is Slavery" than yours as you try to convince the rest of us that "Slavery is Freedom."

[tod evans]

You are drunk.

Earth is a prison and I want to create a zone where that is less true, the CURRENT state of earth as a prison is the natural outcome of anarchy, the strong prey upon the weak and create tyranny.

Actually the week band together and call themselves 'government' and prey upon both the strong and the productive...

[PierzStyx]

"You don't privately own the USA. Therefore it can't even be compared to "your home." The USA isn't "yours" nor doe sit belong to anyone else." -PierzStyx

Then why do I have to pay for it?

You don't pay for it. Pay implies you have the ability to consent or not consent to the purchase of a good or service without unwanted consequences that violate your rights. That isn't how taxes work. If you refuse to pay taxes then the state hunts you down, takes everything you own, and then cages or, if you resist too vigorously, kills you. You don't pay taxes anymore than you pay the mugger on the street when they shove a gun in your ribs and say, "Your money or your life." The government extorts and steals from you. You don't pay anything, even if you would eb willing to do so without the element of violence because the presence of violence means you have no room to given meaningful consent.

This is a good question you should ask the Socialists and Fascists on here who say America is like a "home" though. Because I bet they have no meaningful answer for you. This is because what they believe is so weak and slipshod that it makes no sense.

[PierzStyx]

I said violent crimes NOT all crimes.

Also I have seen statistics that contradict yours.

Why stop only at *violent* crimes?

I can answer you: because facts aren't your friend. And too many of them destroy everything you believe. So you have to remain ignorant in order to justify your Fascism.

[Swordsmyth]

No, you are simply stupid if you expect a planet full of nation-states is "anarchy." You're either a fool who doesn't know what "anarchy" means (which, lets be obvious, you don't) or you're a damn fool for expecting us to believe that by turning the USA into a giant prison people will somehow be more free. Especially when you launch into this "strong prey on the weak" drivel while advocating for a strong central state to hunt, attack, seize all the property of, cage, and or kill illegal immigrants who are almost always poor and weak with no power or influence in the country. You're a two-bit Fascist whose only goal is to hurt others while calling it "helping." I can't think of person whose whole belief system better represents "Freedom is Slavery" than yours as you try to convince the rest of us that "Slavery is Freedom."

I said the current state of earth was the END RESULT of anarchy, man began in a state of anarchy and it resulted in what we have now.

I am not calling for a police state no matter how often you try to claim I am, but defenses against outside threats are required if liberty is to survive.

[PierzStyx]

Actually the week band together and call themselves 'government' and prey upon both the strong and the productive...

Which is exactly what Swordsmyth and his ilk wish to do. Immigrants are more productive than he and his kind, lower prices, and commit fewer crimes. And he can't have any of that. So they band together in government to attack productive members of society and drive them out so their property can then be stolen by those in power.

[Swordsmyth]

Why stop only at *violent* crimes?

I can answer you: because facts aren't your friend. And too many of them destroy everything you believe. So you have to remain ignorant in order to justify your Fascism.

Because as any libertarian can tell you we have too many laws that put too many people in prison for things that shouldn't be crimes.

[Swordsmyth]

Actually the week band together and call themselves 'government' and prey upon both the strong and the productive...

When the corrupt weak band together they become strong and prey upon those who are weaker, that is not an exception to the rule I laid out.

[Raginfridus]

Which is exactly what Swordsmyth and his ilk wish to do. Immigrants are more productive than he and his kind, lower prices, and commit fewer crimes. And he can't have any of that. So they band together in government to attack productive members of society and drive them out so their property can then be stolen by those in power.

What the Patriots did to the Tories.

[tod evans]

Which is exactly what Swordsmyth and his ilk wish to do. Immigrants are more productive than he and his kind, lower prices, and commit fewer crimes. And he can't have any of that. So they band together in government to attack productive members of society and drive them out so their property can then be stolen by those in power.

Oh come on!

I don't know Swordsmyth from Adam nor do I know any immigrants who are more productive than anybody else...

What I do know is if you weren't born-n-raised in the Ozarks you'll have a hard time making a go of it here. Immigrants from Ca. and NY are the same as those from Mx and China, they're all damn furiners who need to go back where they came from...

[Danke]

You don't pay for it. Pay implies you have the ability to consent or not consent to the purchase of a good or service without unwanted consequences that violate your rights. That isn't how taxes work. If you refuse to pay taxes then the state hunts you down, takes everything you own, and then cages or, if you resist too vigorously, kills you. You don't pay taxes anymore than you pay the mugger on the street when they shove a gun in your ribs and say, "Your money or your life." The government extorts and steals from you. You don't pay anything, even if you would eb willing to do so without the element of violence because the presence of violence means you have no room to given meaningful consent.

This is a good question you should ask the Socialists and Fascists on here who say America is like a "home" though. Because I bet they have no meaningful answer for you. This is because what they believe is so weak and slipshod that it makes no sense.

If I am force to pay for it, why can't I claim ownership?