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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Keeping us in from Mexico?

    How about Canada?
    Canada can just put up an ice wall.

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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Giving up liberty in order to keep foreigners from taking away our liberty? What could go wrong?
    Well I don't know, Mr. Drake. Maybe a lot could go wrong! Maybe nothing. Maybe it would be a non-event, non-issue, and it would be fine. I'm not saying liberties should be given up (of course, obviously, duh). I'm just pointing out simple facts, like:

    * Of course illegal criminal invaders are going to support a party that embraces illegal criminal invaders (and not the guy that says he's going to kick them out, Out, OUT!). Duh! This does not imply anything but the obvious. It certainly does not imply they read Mises, or even Friedman, or subscribe in any way to the Western Imperialist Whiteman philosophy known as Libertarianism.

    * Americans overwhelmingly want to stop -- not slow, but stop -- immigration. And that includes legal immigration. Americans definitely do not want to do what the LP gives them some friendly advice on how to accomplish, were they to want to do that. They don't. "Do Not Want!"

    That's all! I'm sure we can both agree on those two facts, Mr. Drake, if only because they're obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Canada can just put up an ice wall.


    The last time they tried that, we got over 10,000 lakes here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    Well I don't know, Mr. Drake. Maybe a lot could go wrong! Maybe nothing. Maybe it would be a non-event, non-issue, and it would be fine. I'm not saying liberties should be given up (of course, obviously, duh).
    Sorry for not being more explicit but Ron Paul already told us what can go wrong and Trump has already started doing the wrong! In addition to what I already posted, there's the fact that we now have a "constitution free zone" called the border area.



    For nearly 2 decades now (or more), people like Alex Jones have been railing against face scanning cameras, have been unwilling to accept that in the name of fighting terrorism, Trump does it in the name of fighting illegal immigrants...and....crickets. Had Bush called the Patriot Act the "Patriot and keep out the brown people Act" there might not have ever been any opposition from the right to it.


    I'm just pointing out simple facts, like:

    * Of course illegal criminal invaders are going to support a party that embraces illegal criminal invaders (and not the guy that says he's going to kick them out, Out, OUT!). Duh! This does not imply anything but the obvious. It certainly does not imply they read Mises, or even Friedman, or subscribe in any way to the Western Imperialist Whiteman philosophy known as Libertarianism.

    * Americans overwhelmingly want to stop -- not slow, but stop -- immigration. And that includes legal immigration. Americans definitely do not want to do what the LP gives them some friendly advice on how to accomplish, were they to want to do that. They don't. "Do Not Want!"

    That's all! I'm sure we can both agree on those two facts, Mr. Drake, if only because they're obvious.
    Fact 1 is not "obvious." In fact AntiFederalist seemed to think the idea that Hispanics, many of who are NOT "illegal" or criminal in any sense of the word, might be more likely to identify as libertarian than whites. Further the libertarian party isn't the only party to embrace lowering barriers to immigration. There's also the democratic party and the socialist party. So it's not "obvious" that immigrants, illegal or otherwise, criminal or otherwise, would embrace the libertarian party over other alternatives. But certainly they would be more willing to go with the LP than the GOP.

    As for how bad the majority of Americans want to stop immigration or whatnot, most Americans don't support liberty of any type. Most Americans at one point supported the unPatriot Act, the Iraq war and the Department of Homeland inSecurity. If I was interested in following what most American want...then I would have supported Obama.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Giving up liberty in order to keep foreigners from taking away our liberty? What could go wrong?
    A broad sentiment here is the wall won't even work to stop people from the south, i.e. they will just climb over. So if it comes down to it, in some kind of mythical future (Ron speaks in a lot of hypotheticals, this is where he loses people) where Mexico is more free and prosperous than the USA, I don't mind climbing over and entering Mexico illegally (they have much more punishing laws) if need be.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    For nearly 2 decades now (or more), people like Alex Jones have been railing against face scanning cameras, have been unwilling to accept that in the name of fighting terrorism, Trump does it in the name of fighting illegal immigrants...and....crickets. Had Bush called the Patriot Act the "Patriot and keep out the brown people Act" there might not have ever been any opposition from the right to it.
    Yes, well, don't get mad at me about it! In fact, probably don't get mad about it at all. Just accept reality as it is. Work hard to be a success, becoming respected and powerful, and perhaps you will be able to change some small aspect of it, someday.




    Fact 1 is not "obvious." In fact AntiFederalist seemed to think the idea that Hispanics, many of who are NOT "illegal" or criminal in any sense of the word, might be more likely to identify as libertarian than whites.
    Sentence 2 is not "a sentence." In fact anyway, all we are talking about is one (1) Presidential election, and the stoner the LP ran happened to be: ex-Governor of a Hispanic state. Does this account for all of the difference? Almost certainly. We are talking about a statistical blip of an anomaly in what amounts to a tiny percentage of the support of a candidate who himself got a tiny percentage of the overall vote.

    Anyway, the Mexicans in New Mexico voted for Stoner Gary. That's all. Doesn't prove they're more libertarian and freedom-loving than native white Americans, which is what Railroad wanted to prove.

    Sorry!

    I don't want to just shoot you down, though. Maybe something else can prove that! Have at it! I'm all for you denigrating whites!

    Further the libertarian party isn't the only party to embrace lowering barriers to immigration. There's also the democratic party and the socialist party.
    Right! All of which the Mexicans supported disproportionately -- and much more disproportionately than Stoney J.
    So it's not "obvious" that immigrants, illegal or otherwise, criminal or otherwise, would embrace the libertarian party over other alternatives.
    Uhh, yeah: and they didn't!
    But certainly they would be more willing to go with the LP than the GOP.
    Which is, yeah: what I said!

    As for how bad the majority of Americans want to stop immigration or whatnot, most Americans don't support liberty of any type. Most Americans at one point supported the unPatriot Act, the Iraq war and the Department of Homeland inSecurity. If I was interested in following what most American want...then I would have supported Obama.
    Great! It just sounded like the LP was interested in it (what Americans want), which makes sense, being a political party and all... they just got it totally wrong! (which also makes sense, them being the LP after all)

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    Sounds like we need a party that gives real Americans everything they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Sounds like we need a part that gives real Americans everything they want.
    I don't know, Railroad. Isn't that supposed to be the idea of Representation and a Republic? Do you believe in those things?

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    Oh, and retraction / "Oh, whoops, I was wrong" When?

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    56 illegal immigrants found in south Laredo stash house


    https://www.lmtonline.com/local/crim...h-12856477.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    A broad sentiment here is the wall won't even work to stop people from the south, i.e. they will just climb over. So if it comes down to it, in some kind of mythical future (Ron speaks in a lot of hypotheticals, this is where he loses people) where Mexico is more free and prosperous than the USA, I don't mind climbing over and entering Mexico illegally (they have much more punishing laws) if need be.
    They also have better doctor and dental care.
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    Breaking news from America's Trusted, Super-Trustworthy, Believe Us News Source, CNN:

    A large number of people in this year’s caravan are from Honduras. Among the reasons they’ve given CNN for fleeing the country: widespread gang violence, domestic violence, poverty, political repression after a contested presidential election and discrimination against the transgender community.

    They are fleeing because of anti-trannyism! Of course!

    Now this all makes sense.

    They just want the Freedom to shoot their kids up with hormones and chop off their private parts; that's all they're asking!

    Is that so much to ask?

    Come on, guys, can't we, as Railroad asks us, begs of us, can't we be big enough men to grant this Liberty to them? Even though they are so randomly unlucky to be on the wrong side of an arbitrary river that authoritarian Mother Nature so capriciously put there? Come on! Let's step up, guys! Time to stop resting on our laurels at 95% right; time to get 100% right.

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    ^^^^It's not very libertarian to care much what someone else identifies themselves as.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ^^^^It's not very libertarian to care much what someone else identifies themselves as.
    Trans is insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ^^^^It's not very libertarian to care much what someone else identifies themselves as.
    You can care, you just can't make a law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ^^^^It's not very libertarian to care much what someone else identifies themselves as.
    Wait, is it Very Libertarian of you to care whether I care?

    We need to know! We want answers!

    And are you saying that you think I do care, or that I don't?

    Also, are you a Children's Rights libertarian or a non-Children's Rights libertarian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trans is insanity.
    Wrongriverside Trans is a Basic Human Right that the European-Style Globalists Shall Not See Infringed!


    Stop being so fearful and cowardly and allow these poor brown wrongriverside 12 years olds the same liberty to chop off their organs that you would want your own 12-year-old son to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trans is insanity.
    So sad the amount of hatred and intolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    So sad the amount of hatred and intolerance.
    You're what's known in power circles as a useful idiot. First, because you apparently believe that transexual persecution has anything whatsoever to do with immigration (aka a media believer) and, secondly, because you attempt to infect others with your ignorance.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    Visiting the Outer Banks of NC?
    Outer Banks NC Fishing Boat Rentals

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    You're what's known in power circles as a useful idiot. First, because you apparently believe that transexual persecution has anything whatsoever to do with immigration (aka a media believer) and, secondly, because you attempt to infect others with your ignorance.
    Ok, it's getting hard to tell sarcasm from earnest in this thread. Are you being serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    You're what's known in power circles as a useful idiot.
    Thank you. Useful = good. Power circle, y'all had better be reading: I'll expect my reward shortly. You heard devil21.

    Suitcase of cash will be acceptable.

    First, because you believe... a media believer
    You just tell me anything the media has ever said that's been a lie. Go ahead. Try.

    I'm waiting.

    <crickets>

    and, secondly, because you attempt to infect others with your ignorance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Ok, it's getting hard to tell sarcasm from earnest in this thread. Are you being serious?
    I don't even know these days. Not much makes sense anymore.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    Visiting the Outer Banks of NC?
    Outer Banks NC Fishing Boat Rentals

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