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Little known (but known ) fact.
The Government experiments with LSD were a failure for their intended purpose. and in fact had the opposite effect.
It was intended for Mind Control,, but has the effect of freeing a mind.
It was only used afterward for use in discrediting and or debilitating targets. Mostly as a smokescreen to all the other drugs available,,or being made available.
It is often trotted out with MKultra,, and dismissed. It was actually a failure of the program.
It is very good at what it was intended for,,, Breaking addictions. (Alcohol especially)
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
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I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
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Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Never tried acid. I heard it leaves you feeling like pounding through a bunch of mushrooms in one go. Too painful for me. Would be nice to stop smoking though.
LSD is not painful, it's similar to mushrooms but it tends to leave me feeling in awe of what I'm seeing and feeling, and leaves me in a pretty good place - feeling great.
Mushrooms can do the same, but they can also put you in a different world that feels unfamiliar and potentially scary - while it may be a good exercise for the mind and soul to overcome these things it can take a bit more mental veracity.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
I have limited experience with both but my experiences were exactly the opposite.
With mushrooms I was really carefree. The only negative experience I had was when we got kicked out of a tree by a cop, and instead of rejoicing over the fact that we were allowed to just leave, and the quarter ounce of weed in my friend's pocket never became a subject of conversation, I spent the rest of the trip focusing white-hot anger at the fact that men with guns and the power to kill people were allowed to literally not be able to understand why anyone would even want to climb a tree.
With acid, I really wasn't prepared for how it worked. Acid is what taught me that I really don't enjoy death-of-self types of drugs. I really, really like drugs that help me figure myself out. And I really, really don't like ceasing to exist for 6-8 hours.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
I quit in 2006 using patches. They gave me vivid dreams, and 3 days into it I just stopped doing anything and toughed it out. Vivid dreams are like if you took a hallucinogen that lasted five minutes and you knew you were having the time of your life but that feeling is all you can remember. Pissed me off.
The key to quitting, I find, is getting healthy. About three months after quitting I learned for the first time how to really exercise and get fit.
Now I can go buy a pack periodically, and before I get done with it, I WANT to stop again. Because I can feel my health deteriorating. If you've smoked for a long time you probably don't have any conception what it's like to run a mile. After doing it a couple times, you're like, holy $#@! I can run a mile! And for me, that keeps me from picking it back up permanently, and allows me to cheat once in a while, which, let's face it, is why nobody quits, because they've been brainwashed by AA idiots to think that's impossible to do.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
In December 1934, Bill Wilson, Co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous had a very profound spiritual experience in Towns Hospital which 6 months later led to the founding of AA when he carried the message to AA #2, Dr. Bob Smith.
20 years later, in the Summer of 1956, a couple of Canadian psychiatrists had been experimenting with LSD on some alcoholics that had struggled with the spiritual aspects of the 12-Step program of recovery. They discovered that LSD had positive effects, allowing one to experience a degree of spirituality they had never known, and hence were able to apply their new-found spirituality to the 12-Step program and maintain long-term sobriety.
Bill Wilson, along with his wife, his secretary, his spiritual mentor (Fr. Ed Dowling) and a few others, participated in clinical LSD experiments from 1956 thru the early 1960's. This was before Timothy Leary and the "psychadelic" generation. He actually caught a lot of grief from fellow AA's, some who demanded he re-establish his sobriety date amid outcries that he had "slipped".
A very good article on Bill Wilson and the LSD Controversy:His “doors of perception” cleared, colors glowed more intensely, the voice of Dr. Cohen reverberated with new resonance, all motion flowed with languorous beauty, and, above all, he comprehended “the essential All-Rightness of the universe . . . the reconciliation of opposites.”
http://www.prestongroup.org/aa_docs/LSD_by_Kurtz.pdf
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- Don't steal.
- Don't kill.
- Don't commit adultery.
- Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
- Honor your father and mother.
- Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
- Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
- Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
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