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No it's not an infantile attempt at explaining natural phenomenon because the religious texts in no way infer shooting stars as the fire used to ward of the jinn.
Anyway it says they will reside in jahanam not undergo eternal punishment, Ibn Al Qayyim especially noted the words used such as khalideena which he felt could mean a long time rather than forever, which it's often translated to in English.
He said:
أنه ليس في حكمة احكم الحاكمين إن يخلق خلقا يعذبهم ابد الآباد عذابا سرمدا لا نهاية له ولا انقطاع أبدا
It is not befitting that the highest of judges would create a creation just to punish them forever without end or disruption
And this goes to my point about punishment for finite indiscretions in an eternal way.
The only way you could justify eternal punishment in my view is if such a person would continue to be evil no matter what truth they were shown, what punishment they underwent, etc. Whether or not such a person exists, I have my doubts. Maybe the devil himself?
Eitherway again these are nuances of theology that you need a pretty good education to understand/know about.
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I like you mate, but why do people confuse libertarian with being all-inclusive and accepting rather than what it really is; against government coercion in your life decisions.
You can be fully libertarian and despise a certain faith or way of life.
Being libertarian doesn't preclude you from having personal opinions. In fact I think one of the tragedies of our generation is this type of apathy, we should be proselytizing our ways of life, we should be having those debates. I so much rather duke it out with a Christian over matters of faith than some apathetic wishy-washy type who will just say, "whatever makes you happy bro!".
Kind of a side rant but still.
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Sure, physical coercion or threats from any source because that violates the other persons sovereignty. But say for example you have a child who has made certain life choices that you don't agree with so you kick them out. I think you can do that while being entirely libertarian.
And that's a personal choice but it is not a requisite for being "libertarian" which is a political ideology.
I mean I have strong stances on certain social issues because of what I feel are long term effects. I think for example to allow vices to become the norm, hypersexuality, gluttony, individualism (the idea that ones personal happiness is the ultimate goal), all of this will spell the end for a well functioning society.
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Right but that wasn't the point of what I said at all. I was using an extreme example to illustrate a broader point
That's to say you could even go as far as to kick out your own kin for their lifestyle choices, while still allowing them their sovereignty and being against coercion against individuals.
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