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    Default Uber self-driving car kills pedestrian in first fatal autonomous crash

    Uber self-driving car kills pedestrian in first fatal autonomous crash
    by Matt McFarland - March 19, 2018

    Uber has removed its self-driving cars from the roads following what is believed to be the first fatality involving a fully autonomous car.

    A self-driving Uber SUV struck and killed 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg as she walked her bicycle across a street in Tempe, Arizona, Sunday night, according to the Tempe police. The department is investigating the crash.

    A driver was behind the wheel of the Volvo XC90 SUV at the time, the police said.

    "The vehicle involved is one of Uber's self-driving vehicles," the Tempe police said in a statement. "It was in autonomous mode at the time of the collision, with a vehicle operator behind the wheel."

    Autonomous mode means the car is driving on its own. During tests, a person sits behind the wheel as a safeguard.

    Uber is conducting tests of autonomous vehicles in Arizona, Pittsburgh, Toronto and other areas. Uber said it has stopped testing the vehicles throughout the United States and Canada.
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    More: http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/19/tech...ash0135PMStory
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    Update: Video.

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    Wonder if the driver had a beer that day?
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    How long will it take before they blame the pedestrian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How long will it take before they blame the pedestrian?
    Don't even get me started on pedestrians who walk or run out into the street without even looking. The most flagrant are often mothers pushing a baby carriage in front of them because "they have a baby!" which means they always have the right of way...
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    A tragic story and yet a really good event for human drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How long will it take before they blame the pedestrian?
    Bet that they have
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    A tragic story and yet a really good event for human drivers.
    My first thought as well.

    A martyr in the true sense of the word.

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    Default Woman dead after being hit by a self-driving Uber car in Tempe, Arizona

    Our thots & prayers go out.... beep. beep. wrrrr. beeep.


    Breaking911
    BREAKING: Woman dead after being hit by a self-driving Uber car in Tempe, Arizona. It’s the first known pedestrian fatality from a driverless vehicle - NYT

    Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1GV296


    http://kdvr.com/2018/03/19/woman-kil...le-in-arizona/




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    Volvo, the Swedish car brand owned by China’s Geely, confirmed its vehicle was involved in the crash but said the software controlling the SUV was not its own.
    Who do we point fingers to, now?
    Truth is a social construct.

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    srry brian U can move K? K.

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    Nobody is outraged?
    Truth is a social construct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How long will it take before they blame the pedestrian?
    They already did - apparently this pedestrian was walking outside of the crosswalk.

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    Truth is a social construct.

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    So if a human driver did this, they would likely be charged with manslaughter. Who gets charged here? Or is this a way to dodge corporate responsibility?

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    14 year old's can't drive, but cars can drive themselves. Sad story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So if a human driver did this, they would likely be charged with manslaughter. Who gets charged here? Or is this a way to dodge corporate responsibility?
    Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Another victim of the Uber economy
    Who was the first victim?

    The taxi cab companies who spent decades lobbying for regulations on taxi cabs.

    $#@! them, Uber economy ftw..

    That doesn't mean I'm excited about self-driving cars, but using technology to get around government regulations and being more efficient is really what people refer to as the "uber economy" anyway. Nobody refers to self driving cars as the "uber economy", it is more for stuff like ridesharing, airbnb, craigslist, etc.. stuff that people didn't want the government regulating in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    They already did - apparently this pedestrian was walking outside of the crosswalk.

    Would a human get away with that excuse?

    Did the AI hit and run?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Who was the first victim?

    The taxi cab companies who spent decades lobbying for regulations on taxi cabs.

    $#@! them, Uber economy ftw..

    That doesn't mean I'm excited about self-driving cars, but using technology to get around government regulations and being more efficient is really what people refer to as the "uber economy" anyway. Nobody refers to self driving cars as the "uber economy", it is more for stuff like ridesharing, airbnb, craigslist, etc.. stuff that people didn't want the government regulating in the first place.
    no as in homeless

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    no as in homeless
    "Uber Economy" is typically a word that socialists use to describe new relatively unregulated markets that people are using to get around government regulations.
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    Yeah, it's so much better when a human kills another human. Cuz then we know they did everything in their power to drive safely and keep their eyes on the road.

    A good law would be making the robot cars stand out. A gaudy color or specific kind of lights or something.

    I want my cop cars and robot cars easy to spot.



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Who do we point fingers to, now?
    Obama
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    "Uber Economy" is typically a word that socialists use to describe new relatively unregulated markets that people are using to get around government regulations.
    IDK what socialist say, I don't really talk to them much. Generally its used to define the economic period of time that we are in now. Uber is more than just a app, like you said, its much more then that. Its a first step to a significant change in society in which people are connected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Yeah, it's so much better when a human kills another human. Cuz then we know they did everything in their power to drive safely and keep their eyes on the road.

    A good law would be making the robot cars stand out. A gaudy color or specific kind of lights or something.

    I want my cop cars and robot cars easy to spot.
    Yeah we just need more laws, that will fix everything, they should just make it to where pedestrians aren't allowed in the road and if you need to cross the street you have to call an uber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Yeah, it's so much better when a human kills another human. Cuz then we know they did everything in their power to drive safely and keep their eyes on the road.

    A good law would be making the robot cars stand out. A gaudy color or specific kind of lights or something.

    I want my cop cars and robot cars easy to spot.
    A good law would hold everyone involved from the programmer and manufacturer to the human at the wheel (if the manual overrides were fully functional and not dispensed with) responsible for any damage caused by these monstrosities, then the market could decide if the risk was worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Obama
    Long before Obama.

    Self driving vehicles have been developed since the 70s..

    That van ran on a prerecorded trip tape. Cassette Tape.

    edit,
    even before I knew. I remember a Van featured in Playboy late 60s or early 70s.

    https://www.wired.com/2012/02/autono...hicle-history/
    The idea of autonomous vehicles gained widespread public exposure at GM's Futurama exhibit at the 1939 World’s Fair, where the automaker envisioned "abundant sunshine, fresh air [and] fine green parkways" upon which cars would drive themselves.
    so yeah,, before I was born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Yeah we just need more laws, that will fix everything, they should just make it to where pedestrians aren't allowed in the road and if you need to cross the street you have to call an uber.
    Yeah, that's what I was saying.

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