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    Exclamation Trump finalizing opioid plan that includes death penalty for drug dealers

    He's coming to NH to stump for this?

    Oh god no, please, don't...$#@!'s sake this guy.




    Trump finalizing opioid plan that includes death penalty for drug dealers: Report

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...dealers-report

    by Katelyn Caralle | March 15, 2018 02:50 PM

    The Trump administration's plan to fight the opioid addiction crisis is in the last stages of finalization, and is expected to include a push for the death penalty for drug dealers in certain situations.

    The administration will call for the death penalty as an option in “certain cases where opioid, including Fentanyl-related, drug dealing and trafficking are directly responsible for death,” Politico reported, citing language circulating the White House the past week.

    The plan has been making its way around political appointees this month and could be released as soon as Monday when President Trump visits New Hampshire, which has been hit heavily by the epidemic.

    “For the first time since the campaign, the President and First Lady will be traveling to New Hampshire on Monday to further enforce the administration’s commitment to combatting the opioid crisis," said Lindsay Walters, deputy White House press secretary, in a statement to the Washington Examiner.


    Trump’s ambitious plan worries some advocates because it could prove too costly. Public health care advocates and law enforcement officials often don’t see eye to eye when it comes to how to handle the opioid crisis, causing more internal conflict as the White House tries to finalize the plan.

    “There is a lot of internal dissension between the health folks and the enforcement folks,” said an official involved in the process.

    The plan would also make it easier to invoke mandatory minimum for sentencing drug traffickers who knowingly are distributing illegal opioids that can be lethal.



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    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    He's coming to NH to stump for this?

    Oh god no, please, don't...$#@!'s sake this guy.

    I toldya so..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The administration will call for the death penalty as an option in “certain cases where opioid, including Fentanyl-related, drug dealing and trafficking are directly responsible for death,” Politico reported, citing language circulating the White House the past week.
    How would the free market handle a situation where a company knowingly mis-represented their product that caused massive amounts of deaths? Probably not the death penalty, but I'm guessing there could be some murder charges.

    I don't support the death penalty at all tho. Not to mention the fentanyl problem is caused by the war on drugs.
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    What is the model that Trump is looking to now? A Muslim nation? Singapore?

    Corporal punishment should be considered too. Why not?
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    Does that mean they'll be executing CIA operatives and their superiors now?
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What is the model that Trump is looking to now? A Muslim nation? Singapore?

    Corporal punishment should be considered too. Why not?
    Phillipines, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    It's sad. I am responsible for managing a program aimed at reducing opioid misuse in my area, so this hits home.

    Shame what OxyContin, the FDA, and a horrible campaign by Perdue Pharma based on complete lies ultimately led to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Does that mean they'll be executing CIA operatives and their superiors now?
    Sure, and then we all get reparations from the federal reserve for the dollar being devalued.
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    Does that include drug manufactures, their CEOs, people that transport the drugs, the pharmacists that dispense them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvikalpa View Post
    It's sad. I am responsible for managing a program aimed at reducing opioid misuse in my area, so this hits home.

    Shame what OxyContin, the FDA, and a horrible campaign by Perdue Pharma based on complete lies ultimately led to.
    @Nirvikalpa

    Hi Nirva, nice to see you.

    Care to expand on the Perdue Pharma angle from your perspective?

    Thanks.

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    He thinks China is a good model to emulate:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6600887
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Sure, and then we all get reparations from the federal reserve for the dollar being devalued.

    Where do I sign up?
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    @Nirvikalpa

    Hi Nirva, nice to see you.

    Care to expand on the Perdue Pharma angle from your perspective?

    Thanks.
    When OxyContin first hit the market in 1996, Perdue published that "delayed absorption as provided by OxyContin tablets, is believed to reduce the abuse liability of a drug.” That was literally OxyContin's tag line and a mass-marketing campaign around it began. Doctors began prescribing it for moderate, chronic pain, when before opioids were primarily used for cancer patients and post-surgical for acute pain. Unfortunately, Perdue never did any type of clinical trial to show it was less likely to be abused or less likely to become a dependence for those who were prescribed it.

    There was a lot of shady communication between the FDA and Perdue the first years that OxyContin hit the market.

    This is a wonderful article on it: https://www.marketplace.org/2017/12/...in-hour/opioid

    My favorite part:

    Former FDA medical officer Curtis Wright, who led the FDA’s review of OxyContin, testified that he also does not remember who wrote it, but said, "the label makes an extremely weak statement about a class of drugs.” Two years after leaving the FDA, Wright took a job at Purdue.

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    A real feminist would have avoided men altogether and found a perfectly good female partner. Because, y'know, all sexual intercourse is actually rape.
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    Once trump kills all the dopers who will be left on RPF's ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Once trump kills all the dopers who will be left on RPF's ?
    Just me, it will be lonely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just me, it will be lonely.

    #metoo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    #metoo
    At least one of us will have someone intelligent to talk to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just me, it will be lonely.
    Tell Danke I am sorry , I had no idea they were going to try and kill him .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Tell Danke I am sorry , I had no idea they were going to try and kill him .
    When and how did you slip him some peyote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Tell Danke I am sorry , I had no idea they were going to try and kill him .

    Swordsmyth, just ignore the Injun scalper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Swordsmyth, just ignore the Injun scalper.
    How many Injuns did you scalp?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How many Injuns did you scalp?

    classified
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvikalpa View Post
    When OxyContin first hit the market in 1996, Perdue published that "delayed absorption as provided by OxyContin tablets, is believed to reduce the abuse liability of a drug.” That was literally OxyContin's tag line and a mass-marketing campaign around it began. Doctors began prescribing it for moderate, chronic pain, when before opioids were primarily used for cancer patients and post-surgical for acute pain. Unfortunately, Perdue never did any type of clinical trial to show it was less likely to be abused or less likely to become a dependence for those who were prescribed it.

    There was a lot of shady communication between the FDA and Perdue the first years that OxyContin hit the market.

    This is a wonderful article on it: https://www.marketplace.org/2017/12/...in-hour/opioid

    My favorite part:
    Thanks for that
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