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    What Is The Current US Policy In Syria?

    A half of a million people have died.

    ...why?

    ...for what purpose?

    I create this thread so that Trump surrogates can make their case.

    Go



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    Okay, let's make this easier; what is the (stated, alleged) US goal in Syria?

    ...does anyone know?

    ...anyone, anyone?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Syria won't be a boondoggle he'll just bomb for 15 mins tops.
    I think it might require a solid half hour to solve the matter..

    Can anyone guess what a real diplomat would do to end this?

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    ...still waiting for someone to explain the current US Syria policy.

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    Per Trump and other U.S. officials it is to fight ISIS, and make sure they are totally defeated, but many are getting more vocal in letting their original intent of getting rid of Assad and installing Western "democracy", raping natural resources, and stopping Iranian and Russian influence/growth in the region.
    Last edited by pao; 03-15-2018 at 10:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...still waiting for someone to explain the current US Syria policy.
    Why don't you contact the White House?

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    Keep the military in the region hoping that some future gas attack can be blamed on Assad and used as an excuse to go back to Plan A: Regime Change



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    Quote Originally Posted by milgram View Post
    Keep the military in the region hoping that some future gas attack can be blamed on Assad and used as an excuse to go back to Plan A: Regime Change
    ^^^THIS^^^
    There is no spoon.

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    We need to keep the military there just in case Trump -

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    needed to fool the establishment into falling in love with him for a couple days again, get those oxytocin levels back up.

    Last time he blew up an empty airbase.

    You see, Trump using the military in Syria is actually saving more lives than it costs. For every Syrian that is killed, untold casualties from Hillary's WWIII are unkilled.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I never said whether it was justified or not, I'm just pointing out the massive amount of benefit he received from doing it
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    We were in Syria for a whole 15 minutes 'fighting Assad', by bombing a small empty airbase.. and that bombing did not hurt Assad very much, yet it got us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world. It got the globalists off Trump's back for 5 seconds about him being a Russian agent. It achieved massive amounts of political capital for Trump.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I was against the attack, but I also see how the attack caused Trump to gain massive amounts of political capital both domestically and abroad, which he may be able to use to save millions of lives.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    if you are viewing things from the correct perspective, it's not all that bad. It was an empty airbase, the attack lasted 15 minutes. That is the negative. The positive is that Trump is fighting against the deep state globalists who want to murder millions of people, and this action gave him tremendous political capital that could be used to further world peace, as opposed to killing millions of people. If in hindsight, Trump ends up saving millions of lives, then it was probably a good action to take.


    Also so that we can get epic epic quotes like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    IF children died, that is unfortunate, but who the hell keeps children so close to a military airstrip?? If I were you I wouldn't waste your political capital on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Trump needs to meet Assad.

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    Bump above the forum slide.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    for reference

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    Syrian War For Dummies - Three Versions
    https://www.sott.net/article/377588-...Three-Versions



    Although the Syrian war is almost over, many Americans still don't understand what transpired over the last seven years,
    because the mainstream narrative has been an embarrassing mix of propaganda, half-truths and lies.

    Below are three versions of the conflict as presented by Chris Kanthan via Sott.net.

    Disney Version

    Once upon a time, a country called Syria was ruled by a ruthless dictator named Bashar Al-Assad. He was a cruel man who gassed his own people. His actions caused a civil war in Syria. America and Europe tried their best to stop the devastating civil war, and even generously accepted many Syrian refugees. Eventually America went to Syria, defeated ISIS, and is now trying to restore stability.

    This above version is quite popular among many Americans and Europeans and the Western mainstream media.




    High School Version

    Oppressed by Assad's brutal regime, the Syrian people longed for freedom and democracy. One day, people started protesting in a small city. In response, Assad killed many peaceful protesters. However, this backfired and the entire country was engulfed in protests. Soon a civil war broke out, which led to millions of refugees fleeing Syria.

    America was appalled and, for humanitarian reasons, decided to help the Syrians who were fighting Assad. When Assad gassed his own people, America intervened and removed all his chemical weapons. Unfortunately, Assad managed to gas innocent civilians again after a few years. Then, America went to Syria, defeated ISIS, and is now trying to restore stability.

    The above version is presented in most of the global mainstream media.


    College Version

    Simply put, the Syrian "civil war" is an illegal, proxy war waged against Syria. In defiance of international laws, many countries have been sending weapons and terrorist mercenaries into Syria for the last seven years.




    2011

    In early 2011, US/UK special forces used Jordan's military base to organize protests against Assad in a border town called Daraa. With Muslim Brotherhood's organizational skills and Saudi Arabia's deep pockets, violent protests spread thru Syria. Soon, an organized and armed militia known as Free Syrian Army (FSA) was created by the outsiders.

    After the fall of Gaddafi in late 2011, the US State Department and US intelligence agencies organized the shipment of tons of deadly weapons such as Stinger missiles and Sarin gas from destroyed Libya to Syria, via Turkey. Even with all this help, the American proxy force known as the FSA couldn't win the war. At this point, NATO and Neocons wanted to bomb Syria, but Russia and China vetoed the motion in the UN, so the imperial war by deception moved on to the next phase.

    2012

    In early 2012, someone dialed Al Qaeda (referred to as AQ or AQI in government documents). Zawahiri, AQ's top leader, called for help and experienced Islamic terrorists from all over the world rushed into Syria by way of Saudi Arabia's international jihadist recruitment agency. Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, received an email from her chief adviser, saying that "Al Qaeda is on our side" .

    Al Qaeda rebranded itself as Al Nusra, and fearsome weapons such as grenade launchers, mortars, tanks and anti-tank missiles started pouring into Syria via Turkey and Jordan.
    Syria weapons
    The CIA spent $100,000 to train each rebel. Billions of US taxpayers dollars were wasted once again on supporting the same terrorist groups that attacked the USA on 911 .

    Watching the western media, the average person had no idea that we were supporting Al Qaeda or how heavily armed these "rebels" were.

    Western media and politicians also stuck to their talking points and referred to all these fighters as "moderate rebels." However, many of them are ruthless Islamists who use suicide bombers, behead even children, and commit unspeakable atrocities. They are also religious fanatics who seek out and kill Christians and Shiites. I describe this in detail in my book, Deconstructing the Syrian War.

    A Pentagon memo warned against this reckless policy and precisely predicted the rise of groups such as ISIS. Obviously the memo was ignored (or even happily accepted) by the White House and other officials.

    2012 was also the year when the refugee crisis became a serious international problem. By the end of the year, almost 200,000 people had fled Syria. In the coming years, it would swell to five million.

    2013

    When FSA and AQ failed to oust Assad, the powers-to-be started recruiting Sunni extremists in Iraq. In April 2013, ISIS was officially created. In the next year, these barbaric mercenaries would capture much of eastern Syria.
    Syria jihadists
    This was also the year when Obama's red-line was crossed - the use of chemical weapons by Assad. UN experts who went to the site soon found that it was actually the rebels who had likely used the chemical weapons. The report was quickly drowned by the western propaganda machine.

    2014 - 2016

    The next two years were just repetitions of the daily brutality of war, with ISIS making huge gains in the east. Whenever the rebels started to lose, either more weapons would flow in, or Israel would fly into Syria and bomb the Syrian army.

    In late 2015, the Syrian government sought Russia's help. Within a month, the Russian air force weakened ISIS by destroying most of the oil tankers that ISIS was using to transport oil to Turkey. By the end of 2016, the Syrian government had the upper hand - Aleppo was liberated from Al Qaeda, and ISIS was running out of cash and morale.
    Assad visits Western countries
    2017

    2017 was turning out to be a great year for Assad. By March, ISIS had lost over three hundred towns to the Syrian army.

    Al Qaeda was facing a similar demise, losing one big city after another.

    Furthermore, Trump had stopped arming the rebels in February. In late March, Trump and Tillerson dropped the slogan "Assad must go".

    Finally, Assad was getting ready for a EU-UN peace conference on April 4-5.

    This was the moment - when events had turned in favor of the Syrian government - that the alleged chemical attack occurred in an area controlled by the rebels. Plus it happened on the very day that the peace conference began.

    Without any investigation, within an hour after the pictures and videos came out, Western warmongers declared that Assad was responsible. No independent doctors or experts were sent to the site. Anyone who took the time to critically analyze the situation could see that the chemical attack was was either a hoax or a false flag attack.

    2018

    After Russia had effectively defeated ISIS, the US didn't just leave Syria, since the real goal is to Balkanize Syria and prepare for a war against Iran. Thus the globalists are now trying to use Kurds as a proxy tool in this effort. It's likely that the US will have military bases in Syria for a long time. As long as the US government can keep borrowing money, such wild adventures will continue.

    In their quest for hegemonic geopolitical goals, the elites are sowing more chaos around the world and irreparably damaging the western moral compass. The global mafia's rule seems to be this: if you play by our rules, we will be nice to you. If you don't...

    Those are the three versions of the Syrian civil war. Which one will Americans choose to believe?

    P.S. Here are some links to read if you would like to gain a Ph.D. version of the Syrian conflict:

    a. 1956: CIA plot to overthrow the Syrian government

    b. 1983: CIA document on plans to obliterate Syria to enable an oil pipeline

    c. 1986: CIA document on how to use Muslim Brotherhood to fuel a sectarian (Sunni v. Shiite) civil war in Syria

    d. 2001: Wesley Clark told that USA will take out 7 countries in 5 years (Libya, Syria etc.)

    e. 2005: CNN Interview. Christiane Amanpour tells Assad that the western governments are plotting a regime change in Syria

    f. 2006: State Dept cable: Detailed discussion of various strategies to enable regime change in Syria

    g. 2009: State Dept Email: Saudi Arabia is worried that a Shiite crescent is turning into a full moon (referring to a possible Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon coalition)

    h. 2009: State Dept Cable: Saudi Arabia is the #1 source of funding of terrorism worldwide

    i. 2012 State Dept Email: Conquest of Syria means a weakened Iran and this is important for Israel

    j. 2012: State Dept Email: Use Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey to arm/train rebels

    k. 2014: Hillary Clinton admits in an email that Saudi Arabia and Qatar fund ISIS

    l. 2015: Joe Biden says Saudi Arabia and Qatar arming/funding Al Qaeda in Syria

    m. 2016: John Kerry in a leaked audio recording explains how the US trained/armed the opposition and was hoping to use ISIS to force Assad into negotiation

    n. Israel's Mossad chief admits helping Al Qaeda and says that it's because Al Qaeda never attacks Israel







    the end.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-17-2018 at 06:53 AM.

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    Looks like this is going to be a bumpy ride if the Russian government uses this as a pretense to war. I think a lot of it is to undermine Russias energy sector.

    Genie Energy


    "Transcript of Russian Contractor"

    First clip:
    "The reports that are on TV about ... well, you know, about Syria and the 25 people that are wounded there from the Syrian f--- army and — well ... to make it short, we've had our asses f--- kicked. So one squadron f--- lost 200 people ... right away, another one lost 10 people ... and I don't know about the third squadron, but it got torn up pretty badly, too ... So three squadrons took a beating ... The Yankees attacked ... first they blasted the f--- out of us by artillery, and then they took four helicopters up and pushed us in a f--- merry-go-round with heavy caliber machine guns ... They were all shelling the holy f--- out of it, and our guys didn't have anything besides the assault rifles ... nothing at all, not even mentioning shoulder-fired SAMs or anything like that ... So they tore us to pieces for sure, put us through hell, and the Yankees knew for sure that the Russians were coming, that it was us, f--- Russians ... Our guys were going to commandeer an oil refinery, and the Yankees were holding it ... We got our f--- asses beat rough, my men called me ... They're there drinking now ... many have gone missing ... it's a total f--- up, it sucks, another takedown ... Everybody, you know, treats us like pieces of s--- ... They beat our asses like we were little pieces of s--- ... but our f--- government will go in reverse now, and nobody will respond or anything, and nobody will punish anyone for this ... So these are our casualties."
    Second clip:
    "Out of all vehicles, only one tank survived and one BRDM [armored reconnaissance vehicle] after the attack, all other BRDMs and tanks were destroyed in the first minutes of the fight, right away."
    Third clip:
    "Just had a call with a guy — so they basically formed a convoy, but did not get to their f--- positions by some 300 meters. One unit moved forward, the convoy remained in place, about 300 meters from the others. The others raised the American f--- flag, and their artillery started f--- ours really hard. Then their f--- choppers flew in and started f--- everybody. Ours just running around. Just got a call from a pal, so there are about 215 f--- killed. They simply rolled ours out f--- hard. Made their point. What the f--- ours were hoping for in there?! That they will f--- run away themselves? Hoped to f--- scare them away? Lots of people f--- so bad [they] can't be f--- ID'd. There was no foot soldiers [on the American side]; they simply f--- our convoy with artillery."

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    You still don't get it? It's all part of Trump's Genius Master Plan (TM). Just shut up about it and cheer already. /s
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Well, the bible says Damascus will be a ruinous heap. Therefore, helping that happen means we work for God.

    Neocon logic.

    Also the kind of logic that pisses God off, as evidenced when He had Isaiah write Isaiah 10:5-19.

    Being God's tool of destruction, doesn't make you special. If you get a big head about it, it makes you next in line.
    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6



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    According to @dannno's logic that bombing unused(?) infrastructure nets Trump 5 sec of wiggle-room w/ the globocops, how many sec (days or years even) would, say, bombing Damascus net him?

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    I don't know the current policy. But the actions under the Trump administration appear to seek stability of the Assad regime. Trump ended the CIA program of training rebels. Trump changed the strategy of undermining the Assad regime, to destroying ISIS. What is happening now with the Kurds appear to be rogue elements of what remains of the CIA and mercenaries working for globalist forces still trying to oust Assad. I think Trump will continue to fire people pushing for more intervention. After one year Trump is gaining his stride and experience in office and is becoming more comfortable. I think we are currently in a transition period where trump is firing people and getting the people he wants in his administration before another shift away from interventionist policies. *Disclaimer: I can't predict what the globalists have planned but it is possible they set a match in Syria via a false flag or similar action which forces Trump to divert from this course.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Jan2017
    Member

    In Istanbul's 'Little Syria' after the hell of Ghouta

    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    It is really going on in eastern Syria now - mass migration -
    US wants a Kurd nation on the Iraq front, and not surprising that this is all coming down now, really.






    In Istanbul's 'Little Syria' after the hell of Ghouta
    ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I don't know the current policy. But the actions under the Trump administration appear to seek stability of the Assad regime. Trump ended the CIA program of training rebels. Trump changed the strategy of undermining the Assad regime, to destroying ISIS. What is happening now with the Kurds appear to be rogue elements of what remains of the CIA and mercenaries working for globalist forces still trying to oust Assad. I think Trump will continue to fire people pushing for more intervention. After one year Trump is gaining his stride and experience in office and is becoming more comfortable. I think we are currently in a transition period where trump is firing people and getting the people he wants in his administration before another shift away from interventionist policies. *Disclaimer: I can't predict what the globalists have planned but it is possible they set a match in Syria via a false flag or similar action which forces Trump to divert from this course.
    Forces him? One sentence he's catching on to their golbalist shennanigans, the next sentence he's forced into a full-blown conflict with his hands in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I don't know the current policy. But the actions under the Trump administration appear to seek stability of the Assad regime. Trump ended the CIA program of training rebels. Trump changed the strategy of undermining the Assad regime, to destroying ISIS. What is happening now with the Kurds appear to be rogue elements of what remains of the CIA and mercenaries working for globalist forces still trying to oust Assad. I think Trump will continue to fire people pushing for more intervention. After one year Trump is gaining his stride and experience in office and is becoming more comfortable. I think we are currently in a transition period where trump is firing people and getting the people he wants in his administration before another shift away from interventionist policies. *Disclaimer: I can't predict what the globalists have planned but it is possible they set a match in Syria via a false flag or similar action which forces Trump to divert from this course.
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
    "The Patriarch"

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    $#@!ing Trump, he lurches around like a ill mannered dog on a leash and this forum lurches around in his wake. FUBAR
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I don't know the current policy. But the actions under the Trump administration appear to seek stability of the Assad regime. Trump ended the CIA program of training rebels. Trump changed the strategy of undermining the Assad regime, to destroying ISIS. What is happening now with the Kurds appear to be rogue elements of what remains of the CIA and mercenaries working for globalist forces still trying to oust Assad. I think Trump will continue to fire people pushing for more intervention. After one year Trump is gaining his stride and experience in office and is becoming more comfortable. I think we are currently in a transition period where trump is firing people and getting the people he wants in his administration before another shift away from interventionist policies. *Disclaimer: I can't predict what the globalists have planned but it is possible they set a match in Syria via a false flag or similar action which forces Trump to divert from this course.
    Thus the appointment of this guy to Secretary of State:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pompeo
    July 2017: "It is difficult to imagine a stable Syria that still has Assad in power. He is a puppet of the Iranians and therefore it seems an unlikely situation where Assad will be sitting on the throne and America's interests will be well served."
    Where's that cartoon of Uncle Sam setting a cardboard cutout labeled "ISIS" up in front of Syria, then using it as an excuse to make Syria look like Swiss cheese?

    Fan fiction should at least conform to one or two of the facts. Better you should give up on writing fan fiction and do what the rest of the die-hard Trump fanatics are doing. Don't try to defend the indefensible. Just remember that the best defense is a good offense, and be as offensive as you can.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-17-2018 at 02:12 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Was that a neg rep spudster? Somebody needs a hug, where's HB when you need him?
    "The Patriarch"



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    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 03-17-2018 at 04:04 PM.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Was that a neg rep spudster? Somebody needs a hug, where's HB when you need him?

    I'd offset with a +rep if I could, man.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I'd offset with a +rep if I could, man.
    I think I'll survive, I may need counseling or therapy or something though.
    "The Patriarch"

  32. #28

    Neocon regime change, worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

  33. #29
    It is simple. To defend our freedoms, our way of life by supporting current bold Prez's trusted policy maker Nikki Haley, our closest dictatorship ally radical sharia law anti-torture regime of Saudi and our closest ally only non-racist democracy in mideast Israel. And that to be done without putting boots on the ground and by limiting bloodbath of local people to unlimited.
    All this is highly non-racist, non-greedy freedom doctrine.

    Is there any confusion still?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    It is simple. To defend our freedoms, our way of life by supporting current bold Prez's trusted policy maker Nikki Haley, our closest dictatorship ally radical sharia law anti-torture regime of Saudi and our closest ally only non-racist democracy in mideast Israel. And that to be done without putting boots on the ground and by limiting bloodbath of local people to unlimited.
    All this is highly non-racist, non-greedy freedom doctrine.

    Is there any confusion still?
    Straight to the point and easily understandable, well done.
    "The Patriarch"

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