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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Have you been stuffed in overhead baggage?
    No, of course not...

    What the $#@! does that have to do with anything we're discussing here?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Could have been shock.

    I've flown a million miles in my lifetime, on all manner of different aircraft and cabin configurations and am having a hard time envisioning a scenario where suffocation could have happened, unless maybe there were other bags tightly sealing the dog crate packed in around it.

    Dunno what happened here, other than to say another miserable flight experience for another family after being bossed around and barked at by the flying fascists.
    Also, it was a French Bulldog. They have respiratory issues by nature of being bred to have smashed in faces.

    The NYPost reported that United's pet death rate is already more then twice than the industry average. You'd think that would have entailed some aggressive training by now, but I guess not.

    One thing my husband pointed out? That United has always been a horrible airline, but before the internet they could just deny these stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I don't know these things. But if the bin was full, is it possible that there just wasn't enough air? I understand the doors aren't hermetically sealed, but maybe they seal well enough to keep most of the air from circulating?
    That would be my guess. Those bags are a pretty tight fit for most pets, the "venting" is barely adequate as is. Other bags and the sides of the compartment would block those vents pretty well. Plus the bag could be compressed by other heavy luggage, especially if there was shifting due to turbulence.

    At least the FA didn't tell her to flush the dog down the toilet.
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    Just how much turbulence was there?
    apparently enough to beat a small dog to death in a box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Also, it was a French Bulldog. They have respiratory issues by nature of being bred to have smashed in faces.

    The NYPost reported that United's pet death rate is already more then twice than the industry average. You'd think that would have entailed some aggressive training by now, but I guess not.

    One thing my husband pointed out? That United has always been a horrible airline, but before the internet they could just deny these stories.
    I am still fuming and in high state of piss off that they merged with my airline, Continental.

    Was talking with a Southwest FA the other day, not the f ag who was giving me a hard time, who was a Continental employee for years, and they employees hated it just as much as us customers did.

    That said, yeah, you may be right about that, a dog inclined to having breathing problems to start with, combined with what Pete mentioned, turbulence beating the dog up, and then just a high level of stress being closed up in the dark...all combined together to kill the dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
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    United employees must have all been in the illegal bushmeat trade for a long time . Does not surprise me .

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    Expect more dead french bulldogs at the hands of these vile peoples . Airline employees are probably all people of low moral character that just could not pass the test to be cops .

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    Interesting twist. The woman (owner) doesn't speak English. This left it up to a little girl to stand up against and debate the adult flight attendant.

    Experts agree that likely the dog suffocated.

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    The reason United leads in pet deaths is because it carries the most animals. It is the preferred airline of those that transport animals regularly as they know United's program is the most accommodating.


    "According to a review of data from the U.S. Department of Transportation, 66 pets died in transport aboard flights of eight national and regional carriers over a more than two-year span, from January 2014 to August 2016. While that number is a tiny fraction of the more than two million live animals transported by air every year, it does spotlight the risk for animals traveling in the baggage compartment of planes.

    Southwest Airlines is the only major U.S. air carrier that doesn’t permit customers to check their pets. The airline didn’t introduce a pet fare until 2009 and has never transported warm-blooded animals in the baggage compartment of its passenger planes, said spokeswoman Michelle Agnew.
    Because it doesn’t check pets, Southwest avoids the potential dangers that come with placing animals in the cargo hold, such as extreme temperatures or poor ventilation. According to the DOT data, Southwest (NYSE: LUV) reported no pet deaths, injuries or losses between January 2014 and August 2016.
    By comparison, United Airlines does transport pets as cargo and reported 22 in-flight pet deaths in the measured span. That was the highest number of pet fatalities reported by any of the airlines over the time period.
    Chicago-based United (NYSE: UAL) flies more pets than its competitors — about 200,000 in 2015 alone, according to airline spokesman Charlie Hobart. The company’s PetSafe program includes several safeguards intended to mitigate the risks inherent in air travel for animals, Hobart said, adding that customers can play a critical role by acclimating their pets to shipping kennels, as well.
    “It’s in our interest that we educate the consumer to ensure they know what they can do to prepare for the trip,” Hobart said, referring to tips listed on United’s PetSafe website.


    “As with any life event of your pet, you should discuss flying with a vet,” Fricke said. “There are other [medical] conditions that might be complicated by air travel.”
    United has the most permissive pet policy of the major U.S. carriers and checks not only dogs and cats but also rabbits and household birds. It also will transport brachycephalic, or snub-nosed, dog breeds that other airlines, including Delta Air Lines(NYSE: DAL) and American Airlines (NASDAQ: AAL), won’t accept.
    Many of those kinds of dogs — think pugs, bulldogs and Boston terriers — have hereditary respiratory problems, according to the Humane Society, and are susceptible to heat stroke and breathing difficulties when placed in a cargo hold. Of the 22 pet deaths reported by United in the more than two-year period through last August, at least seven were snub-nosed dog breeds.

    Other airlines allow checked pets but place more restrictions on animal type and how they are transported.


    “No matter how hard airlines try, there are going to be circumstances beyond their control,” Fricke said.




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    The Coquito Bill. (name of the dog)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    The reason United leads in pet deaths is because it carries the most animals. It is the preferred airline of those that transport animals regularly as they know United's program is the most accommodating.
    Good info, it sounds to me like they are doing a good job and the dog breed probably had much to do with the dog dying.

    I recall when we immigrated our dogs up from the Caribbean, it was a major pain to coordinate as the planes had strict limits on when they could fly based on the max expected temperature of the day.

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    am having a hard time envisioning a scenario where suffocation could have happened, unless maybe there were other bags tightly sealing the dog crate packed in around it.
    Maybe you should test the theory and fly in baggage next time. If you stop breathing we can settle the mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    One of these days there is going to be an altercation between AF and a flight attendant, and he will ask to get the pilot involved.

    Danke will come walking out, and AF will try to explain why he shouldn't have to turn off the people of walmart screensaver on his iPad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    in that case I will back the Flight Attendant.
    Pilot in charge, so when someone turns up dead on the flight . . .

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