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    Exclamation Dog dies after United flight attendant forces it into overhead bin

    Of course, questioning one of these flying fascists is like confronting a cop.

    At the drop of a hat they will have you dragged off and arrested as soon as you hit the ground.

    That said, I'm at a loss to determine what being in the overhead storage would do to cause a dog to die.

    It's non air-tight, pressurized and heated.


    Dog dies after United flight attendant forces it into overhead bin

    https://nypost.com/2018/03/13/dog-di...-overhead-bin/

    By Christian Gollayan March 13, 2018 | 2:55pm | Updated

    On Monday night, a dog died in a plane after a United Airlines flight attendant forced the dog into an overhead bin.

    Maggie Gremminger, a passenger on a flight from Houston to New York’s LaGuardia Airport, uploaded a photo of the dog’s owners on Twitter. “I want to help this woman and her daughter. They lost their dog because of an @united flight attendant. My heart is broken,” reads the image caption.

    The Points Guy reports that during their flight, an attendant insisted that the woman put her dog, which was held in a TSA-approved pet carrier, in an overhead bin for the rest of the flight.

    Passengers heard barking during the flight, but didn’t learn that the dog had died until the flight was over.

    “There was no sound as we landed and opened his kennel,” passenger June Lara writes in a Facebook post. “There was no movement as his family called his name. I held her baby as the mother attempted to resuscitate their 10 month old puppy.”

    Gremminger’s and Lara’s posts about the ordeal are now going viral on social media. United is facing online backlash.

    “Another reason I will never ever fly or support doing business with United Airlines!” one Twitter user writes.

    A United spokesperson addressed the incident in a statement to The Points Guy: “This was a tragic accident that should never have occurred, as pets should never be placed in the overhead bin. We assume full responsibility for this tragedy and express our deepest condolences to the family and are committed to supporting them. We are thoroughly investigating what occurred to prevent this from ever happening again.”

    According to United’s website, its policy for onboard pets is: “A pet traveling in cabin must be carried in an approved hard-sided or soft-sided kennel. The kennel must fit completely under the seat in front of the customer and remain there at all times.”



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    story doesn't make sense. why would placing it in bin cause death? what kind of container was the pet in? was the dog dead before they placed it in overhead bin? 3 hour long flight, did they not check in on it? water, food, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    story doesn't make sense. why would placing it in bin cause death? what kind of container was the pet in? was the dog dead before they placed it in overhead bin? 3 hour long flight, did they not check in on it? water, food, etc?
    That's what I was thinking as well.

    I can't see anything about being put in overhead storage that would be particularly harmful to a dog.

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    "Of course, questioning one of these flying fascists is like confronting a cop.

    At the drop of a hat they will have you dragged off and arrested as soon as you hit the ground."

    malarkey. ask for the pilots to get involved. I will not let some irrational female flight
    attendant (or gay male one) abuse my passengers. I need to listen to their concerns. (you know, you're married), but I also know they often blow things out of proportion. I am in charge, not the flight attendants.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "[COLOR=#333333]malarkey. ask for the pilots to get involved. I will not let some irrational female flight attendant (or gay male one) abuse my passengers. I need to listen to their concerns. (you know, you're married), but I also know they often blow things out of proportion. I am in charge, not the flight attendants.
    I'll keep that in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "Of course, questioning one of these flying fascists is like confronting a cop.

    At the drop of a hat they will have you dragged off and arrested as soon as you hit the ground."

    malarkey. ask for the pilots to get involved. I will not let some irrational female flight
    attendant (or gay male one) abuse my passengers. I need to listen to their concerns. (you know, you're married), but I also know they often blow things out of proportion. I am in charge, not the flight attendants.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'll keep that in mind.

    I know the jeopardy a passenger might feel trying to bypass the flight attendants in the back of the aircraft. But certainly on the ground, ask to stick your head in the cockpit with any concerns. Even to just say hi and make small talk. Rational men can reason with each other. female pilots too. Sometimes (often times) they are even harder on irrational flight attendants than male pilots dare to be.

    Whenever some flight attendant is trying to give me $#@!, I pause for a few seconds in a confused look and then ask, "were we married to each other before?" Passengers always laugh at that come back.
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    One of these days there is going to be an altercation between AF and a flight attendant, and he will ask to get the pilot involved.

    Danke will come walking out, and AF will try to explain why he shouldn't have to turn off the people of walmart screensaver on his iPad.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    funny, but unlike marriage, there are laws backing up the governance wrt the chain of command. Flight Attendants always lose trying to challenge that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    One of these days there is going to be an altercation between AF and a flight attendant, and he will ask to get the pilot involved.

    Danke will come walking out, and AF will try to explain why he shouldn't have to turn off the people of walmart screensaver on his iPad.
    in that case I will back the Flight Attendant.
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    A different take in the Yahoo story, where passengers claim the stewardess was lying.


    Excerpts from Yahoo story:



    Unable to protest further, Robledo, who also was traveling with a newborn, said the flight attendant helped her place the dog into the overhead bin and closed the door. But something felt wrong, the family said.

    ***

    ...her mom had even asked if she could carry the dog in her lap, but the flight attendant refused.

    ***

    The family also said that the dog barked multiple times during the flight, but they were unable to check on him because of turbulence.

    ***

    The Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, which represents United employees, said in a statement, "We feel deeply for the pet owner who experienced this tragic event. This was clearly a terrible accident as there is not a single Flight Attendant working for any airline who would knowingly direct a passenger to put their pet in an overhead bin. We look forward to working with the industry to achieve real solutions that will avoid such a terrible accident."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That's what I was thinking as well.

    I can't see anything about being put in overhead storage that would be particularly harmful to a dog.
    Maybe there wasn't an adequate air supply inside the overhead bin and the dog suffocated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Maybe there wasn't an adequate air supply inside the overhead bin and the dog suffocated.
    Are they airtight?
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    Hard to say, I'm pretty sure the doors are not airtight and that there are vents in the back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Hard to say, I'm pretty sure the doors are not airtight and that there are vents in the back.

    That is what I thought.

    I wonder if anyone is going to determine the cause of death before blaming the airline, perhaps the dog was going to die no matter where it was.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    story doesn't make sense. why would placing it in bin cause death? what kind of container was the pet in? was the dog dead before they placed it in overhead bin? 3 hour long flight, did they not check in on it? water, food, etc?


    I saw this unfolding live on twitter. It was in an airline approved animal crate. It did indeed fit under the seat. The woman who posted about it originally wasn't the puppy's owner. It was another passenger who was sitting near her. Her account is now private, so I can't link the original tweet. She said the passenger tried to tell the flight attendant that the rules say the crate had to go under the seat, but the FA wasn't having any of that.

    Later, the FA claimed she wasn't aware there was a dog in the crate, but the passengers clearly heard her tell the owner to put "the dog" in the overhead bin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post


    I saw this unfolding live on twitter. It was in an airline approved animal crate. It did indeed fit under the seat. The woman who posted about it originally wasn't the puppy's owner. It was another passenger who was sitting near her. Her account is now private, so I can't link the original tweet. She said the passenger tried to tell the flight attendant that the rules say the crate had to go under the seat, but the FA wasn't having any of that.

    Later, the FA claimed she wasn't aware there was a dog in the crate, but the passengers clearly heard her tell the owner to put "the dog" in the overhead bin.

    looks like the dog is just playing dead.

    they do that.
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    looks like the dog is just playing dead.

    they do that.
    Besides, she has a Coach purse. She can afford another dog. #AmIRite?
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is what I thought.

    I wonder if anyone is going to determine the cause of death before blaming the airline, perhaps the dog was going to die no matter where it was.
    I don't know these things. But if the bin was full, is it possible that there just wasn't enough air? I understand the doors aren't hermetically sealed, but maybe they seal well enough to keep most of the air from circulating?
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Besides, she has a Coach purse. She can afford another dog. #AmIRite?

    probably as fake as her story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I don't know these things. But if the bin was full, is it possible that there just wasn't enough air? I understand the doors aren't hermetically sealed, but maybe they seal well enough to keep most of the air from circulating?
    It was a very small dog, I find it hard to believe it suffocated if the compartment isn't air-tight.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "Of course, questioning one of these flying fascists is like confronting a cop.

    At the drop of a hat they will have you dragged off and arrested as soon as you hit the ground."

    malarkey. ask for the pilots to get involved. I will not let some irrational female flight
    attendant (or gay male one) abuse my passengers. I need to listen to their concerns. (you know, you're married), but I also know they often blow things out of proportion. I am in charge, not the flight attendants.




    Why did you kill this little puppy ?

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Why did you kill this little puppy ?
    He wanted to try out one of your recipes?
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He wanted to try out one of your recipes?
    I have never tried french bulldog .

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I don't know these things. But if the bin was full, is it possible that there just wasn't enough air? I understand the doors aren't hermetically sealed, but maybe they seal well enough to keep most of the air from circulating?
    Could have been shock.

    I've flown a million miles in my lifetime, on all manner of different aircraft and cabin configurations and am having a hard time envisioning a scenario where suffocation could have happened, unless maybe there were other bags tightly sealing the dog crate packed in around it.

    Dunno what happened here, other than to say another miserable flight experience for another family after being bossed around and barked at by the flying fascists.

    Flew Southwest recently, had some mincing fairy FA giving me grief about confirming my seat belt was fastened.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He wanted to try out one of your recipes?

    I sell dog meat in China, where Oyarde's ancestors are from.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I sell dog meat in China, where Oyarde's ancestors are from.
    I knew it .

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It was a very small dog, I find it hard to believe it suffocated if the compartment isn't air-tight.
    The animal was likely already under some stress from travel - not to mention the added stress of an altercation and being stuffed into a dark bin, while having everything shaking due to bad turbulence. Stress probably lead to increased respiration... Those bins are almost always packed (ever since airlines started charging for checked bags - people back everything they fking own in their carry-ons, just to save $20)

    This dude had a mask on that wasn't air tight, and still expired. Granted, not at the hands of a flight attendant, but a similarly uniformed tyrant none the less.


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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Could have been shock.

    I've flown a million miles in my lifetime, on all manner of different aircraft and cabin configurations and am having a hard time envisioning a scenario where suffocation could have happened, unless maybe there were other bags tightly sealing the dog crate packed in around it.

    Dunno what happened here, other than to say another miserable flight experience for another family after being bossed around and barked at by the flying fascists.

    Flew Southwest recently, had some mincing fairy FA giving me grief about confirming my seat belt was fastened.
    Have you been stuffed in overhead baggage?

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