He was great in Family Guy.Originally Posted by TheTexan
Very sad. One of the greatest TV actors of our generation
OK...
Maybe you're right, I'm not about to start a discussion on this, as I'm not at all up to speed on the cosmology of black holes.Hubble also provided astronomers the first-ever views of material encircling black holes in large, flat disks, as well as detailed images of black-hole-powered jets of subatomic particles traveling at nearly the speed of light
But if it's said to be actually seen, that seems pretty conclusive to me.
YMMV
Dig into the data and you'll see that the alleged existence of the black hole in this instance, as in every other, is based on a circular-logic assumption that the black hole exists in the first place, therefore everything we see where the black hole is expected to be is interpreted as evidence for the existence of a black hole.
Disks of material and projected jets are associated with all sorts of objects and neither one requires a black hole.
More to the point, an object so gravitationally dense that not even light can escape, is not really a likely candidate for spewing matter at nearly light speed.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
It's all just a projection anyway, the earth is flat and were on the back of a turtle.
"The Patriarch"
this thread just reeks of /iamverysmart. There is plenty of observational evidence for the existence of black holes, especially the one at the center of the milky way. What do you suppose all those stars near the center are orbiting? A massive, dense object that does not emit or reflect light... hmm sounds like it fits the description of the predicted black hole. Either propose a better explanation, or gtfo. Not that any of yall are qualified enough to do so.
https://cdn.spacetelescope.org/archi...n/opo0003a.jpg
And you are?
Remove the log from your own eye.
Why all the hate?
No, I'm not qualified. But I'm not the one wantonly dismissing well-established math and science with no reason other than "IT ISN'T INTUITIVE," as if they expected quantum mechanics to be so.
I am not very smart.
This guy seems to be.
I know enough of this math to understand that there is at least this argument, proposed by Crothers, that some of the fundamental assumptions in the calculations that went into "discovering" black holes are nonsensical.
I also know enough about how scientism works to know that none of his argument is going to be meaningfully addressed by anyone who purports to understand the argument in favor of black holes.
They will do what you have done: assert again people speaking from outside the priesthood need to shut the $#@! up.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
Interesting thread. For some reason, I'm reminded of this quote…
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
i forgot my headphones today so I can't watch till i get home, but this dude crothers seems like a real laugh
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers
Maybe he's like that "highest IQ ever" guy that thought he could come up with the theory of everything since he's so smart
Yep. About as credible as a fox in the hen house or a loony in the bin.
It definitely is by what I've heard.
Oh wow! 5 days and we've already attracted two premium quality, feces of a cockroach in a toilet tier, $#@!posters over to argue over how unchristian the focus of this article is. As if that means anything. Thank you for your efforts benevolent sirs!
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The unprofessional lameness should be their own undoing for most people. A quick scan of that table of contents shows their clownishness.
Contents
1 Political positions
1.1 Stopped clock
2 Extremism
2.1 Homosexuality and the Religious Right
2.2 Libertaryan
2.3 Economics
2.4 Science
2.5 Health "freedom"
2.6 Teabagger
3 The Ron Paul (insert descriptor here) Report
3.1 Operation Blitzkrieg
3.2 Checkmate, statists
4 Electoral "success"
5 Everybody laugh at him
5.1 Welfare queen FOUND!
5.2 Campaign finance violations
5.3 The sad tale of RonPaul.com
6 Keeper of the Lame
7 Athletics
8 Paulbots
9 See also
10 Videos
11 External links
12 References
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
Also created as a tongue in cheek response to Conservapedia. Which is just as bad....
https://www.sabhlokcity.com/
I personally use this. Actual peer edited drafts with numerous links from various websites to prove opinions held by the creator.
The creator actually cared about professionalism in his articles. Unlike with Conservapedia and Rational Wiki which pander to their own specific tribal groups of evangelicals and gender studies students.
Last edited by Lamp; 03-19-2018 at 05:14 PM.
This guy missed Administrative Professionals Day and the annual St Clairs Defeat Bonfire . I feel bad for him .
The Hubble is a relic.
James Webb Space Telescope Launch Delayed til 2019
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astro...-delayed-2019/
The James Webb Telescope is the "new and improved" version of the Hubble, and it has me rather excited. The Hubble, although it did advance our understanding of the cosmos, had limitations. James Webb will be another major step towards furthering our understanding of both what our universe is, and is not. I think it is just as important to learn what the universe is not in order to have a more complete understanding of what the universe is. And right now, it is estimated that we are only aware of about 5% of the basic concepts that are out there, so we are gonna get some things wrong. Important thing is that we learn from them. Eventually, even the James Webb Space Telescope will outlive its usefulness, and hopefully be replaced by even more advanced technology.
I think that the reason that most of us are here to begin with is that we are almost all above average intelligence. It seems to be one common trait amongst most of us. Our individual perspectives and skillsets will very quite widely. Our ability to process data has led most of us to similar conclusions about things being very wrong with our government and had been unified in our support of Ron Paul and the Libertarian Principles. We dont all have the exact same point of views, and those differences have enabled us to become stronger as a community, even if the interest in Ron Paul himself has waned. I think we usually work best when we enact our ability to entertain opposing points of view without either accepting or rejecting them. We fall apart when individuals say I am right and the rest of you are all wrong, now blindly accept my idea because I dont care about your opinions.
Do Black Holes exist? Math says they probably do. Stephen Hawking said they probably do. But Black Holes are not the and all and be all of our understanding, only a very small part of it. If we look to our past, people used to genuinely believe that the earth was flat because they had no way of knowing that it was not. I dont mean like a hundred years ago, or even Egyptian times, I mean like Cave Man times. Even the Greeks knew the Earth was round, and were even able to give a very good approximation of the distance from the Earth to the Sun. We believed that men could not fly. Then we flew. We also believed that "Time Travel" would occur if you went faster than the speed of sound, not light. Then we broke the sound barrier and found it that we were wrong. We thought we could not put a man in outer space. Then we did. We thought we could not put a man on the moon, yet, we did that too.
If we summarily dismiss ideas that our understanding of how the universe works will never advance, it is only those people who do not advance their own thinking that are held back by their beliefs. Humanity will move forward (if we manage to not blow ourselves up first) with or without those types of people. But we need those very naysayers to challenge the ideas we cling to until we finally all of us let go, only to embrace a more accurate understanding of the world in which we live.
Einstein once said that we had reached a point in time where our technology had surpassed our humanity. He longed for the day when our humanity would surpass our technology. Considering what is happening in this very thread, I share Einsteins desire to see our humanity surpass our technology, and advance both to our fullest potential.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Loved him in War GamesVery sad. One of the greatest TV actors of our generation
Well, he started off his video with some lies by omission and other dishonest tactics, like that whole adjective business, so rather off-putting from the get-go. His arguments have been addressed by accomplished physicist and mathematicians in the citations in the link I provided before, contrary to the claims that this guy has been ignored. The nice thing about wikis is that they provide sources for most of the claims, so you don't need to worry as much about the biases of the author, and especially not the biases of the authors of other pages, who are likely different people entirely...
Another Baby Boomer dies, leaving me further in debt for his talking chair.
I have no respect for Stephen hawking or his work.
In the OP when he discusses the need for people to go into space, due to the fact that the earth will soon be destroyed by nuclear war he shows his complete ignorance and lack of human compassion. Instead of suggesting the solution be finding peace on earth, he thinks humans should seek a way to escape it- which invariably means that only the elite will likely be afforded this opportunity should the actual destruction of the earth come. My gut tells me he would prefer the world get nuked.
Another point that I fault him with is the fact that he left his wife after 20 years who was devoted to him through all his ailments. She could have left for someone with a functioning body early on, but didn’t, and stuck with him. How does he repay her? Dumping her for one of his nurses. What a loser.
Then there’s always the atheism. It’s my opinion that atheists are placed on a pedestal by the powers that be. If he had found the black hole theory and and been an open Christian this whole thread wouldn’t exist because nobody would have cared about his accomplishments or beliefs and the death wouldn’t have been so widely reported.
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There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
Link 1 is a "page cannot be found", links 2 and 3 are online fora.
What happened to "it's gotta be peer reviewed to be true"?
You're breaking your own nonsensical rules.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
Link 4 doesn't name anyone by name, does not quote anything, and is therefore not really addressing the argument.
Crothers may be an $#@!. I'm not disputing his personality or even the veracity of his claims.
What I am demonstrating is abundantly evident - nobody takes theories that detract from black hole thinking seriously.
If you aren't entertaining potentially falsifying arguments, what you're doing isn't science.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
Probably because the Sun and the Moon are treated as separate lights in Genesis while today we realize that the moon is actually a rock that reflects light from the sun onto Earth? As well as that the Sun itself is a star and is treated as separate? And Hawking's a cosmologist?
16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light for regulating the day and the lesser light for regulating the night, the stars also.
Last edited by Lamp; 03-20-2018 at 09:07 AM.
Why would responses to questions raised by Crothers need to be peer reviewed? You must really have a major misunderstanding lol...
Plenty of the links are not broken at all, and address the mathematical arguments in entirety.
This Crothers guy is just saying absolutely idiotic bull$#@!, like black holes don't exist and the universe isn't expanding, when both have been proven to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt. His math doesn't check out, as demonstrated in many of the links.
There is no vast scientific conspiracy to suppress the truth, jesus get your head out of your ass. The only people who suppress empirical, scientific truth are the bible thumpers who want fairy tales to be taught in classrooms instead of actual science
You are referring to the passage below- and I don’t believe that this is a confusion of what the source of light is. There are many things that don’t make sense in terms of what we are taught in schools today, but this is more of a description of the light and not a scientific attempt to explain that the moon was its own source of light.
“And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.”
**Genesis *1:14-19 *NIV
http://bible.com/111/gen.1.14-19.niv
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