Polls Closing in Pennsylvania Congressional Race

[enhanced_deficit]

Tis' the age of Trump democrats, not necessarily whom Bannon had callled 'white house democrats' (Jarvanka).

Schumer: Trump 'Made The Right Decision'
The Daily Caller-8 hours ago
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York applauded President Donald Trump Tuesday ....
Schumer applauds Trump as NRA pushes back
video.foxnews.com/v/5743395863001/
Mar 1, 2018


If Schumer wins again, should Trump get credit?

[axiomata]

Seems kinda close.

[dannno]

I'm calling Saccone by two votes.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm calling Saccone by two votes.

I say 5.

[Dr.3D]

In Pennsylvania ? unless things have change , a large amount .

Well, when they catch em doing that, they should dig em up and cremate em. I doubt a can of ashes would be mistaken for a voter.

[axiomata]

Miller by 2

[Zippyjuan]

99% in:

lamb 49.9% 111,875

saccone 49.5% 111,028

Looks like a recount. Lamb ahead about 850.

Apparently mandatory recount only for state wide voting. They would have to request one here since it is only one district.

[enhanced_deficit]

Lamb was ahead by 700 at 99% and sudddenly lead started decreasing. Russia did something to counting computers? Did they have latest anti-virus installed?

[Swordsmyth]

As one reporter reminds us, there's no automatic recount provision for non-statewide Pennsylvania elections - candidates must request a recount, an outcome that is looking increasingly likely.

No auto recount in non-statewide PA elections, candidates have to request one and need reason for it
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) March 14, 2018

And another reporter points out that there are about 1,200 absentee ballots that won't be counted until tomorrow...so whatever the final outcome is, it won't be available tonight...

There are 1195 absentee ballots that will not be counted until tomorrow in Washington County #PA18 - so can the race really be decided tonight? In doubt. @CNN https://t.co/r7GIBr0Ws8
— Michael Smerconish (@smerconish) March 14, 2018

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More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-18th-district

Saccone needs to ask for a recount.

[Raginfridus]

So what's the moral of the story?

[specsaregood]

So what's the moral of the story?

This is politics, there are no morals allowed.

[enhanced_deficit]

Saccone needs to ask for a recount.

Yes, and besides that healso needs to win.. or else he might Make Trump Angry Again as some other "loser" Republican did despite being supported by Trump.

Stumping for House candidate Rick Saccone, Trump jumpstarts 2020 election
WABC-TV Mar 10, 2018


Donald Trump Stumps for Rick Saccone in Pennsylvania | Time
3 days ago - “I really feel strongly about Rick Saccone,” he said. He praised Saccone as “a very fine human being,” and then got to the point: “We need Republicans. We need the votes.” Saccone then took the microphone to close out the rally. “If President Trump is in your corner,” he roared, “How can you lose?”

[Zippyjuan]

As one reporter reminds us, there's no automatic recount provision for non-statewide Pennsylvania elections - candidates must request a recount, an outcome that is looking increasingly likely.

No auto recount in non-statewide PA elections, candidates have to request one and need reason for it
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) March 14, 2018

And another reporter points out that there are about 1,200 absentee ballots that won't be counted until tomorrow...so whatever the final outcome is, it won't be available tonight...

There are 1195 absentee ballots that will not be counted until tomorrow in Washington County #PA18 - so can the race really be decided tonight? In doubt. @CNN https://t.co/r7GIBr0Ws8
— Michael Smerconish (@smerconish) March 14, 2018

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More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-18th-district

Saccone needs to ask for a recount.

Said they are going to do the absentee ballots tonight but could take "a few hours".

[Zippyjuan]

Libertarian candidate getting blamed: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...man-in-america

Pa. third-party candidate: I'll soon be 'most hated man in America'

The Libertarian candidate in the special congressional election in Pennsylvania joked that he expected to be “the most hated man in America” as the votes he earned contributed to the race being too close to call late Tuesday night.

“We’re only a few hours away from me being the most hated man in America,” Drew Gray Miller tweeted.

With 99 percent of precincts reporting in Pennsylvania's 18th Congressional District as of roughly 11:30 p.m. EST, the margin between Democrat Conor Lamb and Republican Rick Saccone was just 847 votes.

Meanwhile, Miller had accrued 1,351 votes, according to The New York Times.

The Associated Press ruled shortly before 11:30 p.m. that it would not declare a winner on Tuesday night because the race was too close to call.

The race will be determined early Wednesday morning after absentee ballots in Washington County, Pa., are counted.

Miller told ABC News that the close race was "exactly the outcome" he wanted, because it would send a message that every vote matters.

[dannno]

Pennsylvania

House 18

est. 100% in

candidate	votes	%
Lamb	113,111	49.8%
Saccone	112,532	49.6%

[eleganz]

Its not a recount, they haven't finished counting, the vote is not complete and today is not a result, only a snapshot of the current vote total.

They will count absentee ballots tomorrow (which is funny because aren't absentees supposed to be counted before)?


Reports of Republicans voting for Saccone on e-voting machines and the vote being given to Lamb.

Also reports of Republicans being turned away due to re-districting.

[dannno]

Reports of Republicans voting for Saccone on e-voting machines and the vote being given to Lamb.

Also reports of Republicans being turned away due to re-districting.

Shocking..

[Swordsmyth]

Libertarian candidate getting blamed: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...man-in-america

Just the way the LP likes it, nobody will ever vote 3rd party with them making it look like they can't win and all they do is play spoiler.

[juleswin]

Come on, Trump just campaigned for the republican, telling his supporters that he needs Saccome win in order to accomplish his agenda. So yea, a win by the D is a loss for Trump.

[Anti Federalist]

$#@!ing GOP is going to get blown out of the water in the fall.

And with good reason, they have a frothing, infuriated, rabid opposition just dying to vote against them, while at the same time they $#@! their base and stab knives in their back.

That said, Trump is poison to "downballot" races, just like Obama was before him and Bush before him.

A hated, controversial president does absolutely nothing but inflame and invigorate the opposition by campaigning locally.

Stay the $#@! away.

[angelatc]

Come on, Trump just campaigned for the republican, telling his supporters that he needs Saccome win in order to accomplish his agenda. So yea, a win by the D is a loss for Trump.

Considering the D ran on a pro-gun, pro tariff, anti-pelosi campaign I don't see it as anything but a repudiation of Trump.

[CaptUSA]

A hated, controversial president does absolutely nothing but inflame and invigorate the opposition by campaigning locally.

Oh come on, now - that's not true. Have you seen the fundraising numbers!!

I've always said that nothing increases the fundraising of both political parties like a fearful figure in charge and an opposition just within striking distance.

[Swordsmyth]

$#@!ing GOP is going to get blown out of the water in the fall.

And with good reason, they have a frothing, infuriated, rabid opposition just dying to vote against them, while at the same time they $#@! their base and stab knives in their back.

That said, Trump is poison to "downballot" races, just like Obama was before him and Bush before him.

A hated, controversial president does absolutely nothing but inflame and invigorate the opposition by campaigning locally.

Stay the $#@! away.

I say the Dems are peaking too early, they will be burned out by the time the mid-terms come.

Blue ebb tide.

[Swordsmyth]

There are some remaining votes to be counted, however, including provisional and any military or overseas ballots, which may currently still be in the mail but must be received by the counties by March 20.
Republicans have not ruled out the possibility of a recount, which isn't mandatory for the district but could be requested by precinct with petitions from voters in the next few days.

Bob Branstetter, a top adviser to Saccone's campaign, told CNN Wednesday morning that the campaign has not discussed a potential recount. But, he said, they are waiting for all votes to be counted before reaching a decision on conceding.
Matt Gorman, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, said the party is not ruling out the possibility of a recount, and a source familiar with the process told CNN Wednesday morning that the GOP is likely to seek legal action over several areas in this race.
The party is going to request that all ballots and voting machines are impounded so nothing is tampered with to allow for a likely recount, the source said. They allege reports of "miscalibrations" of several voting machines in Allegheny County, including frozen touchscreens where voters intending to cast their ballot for Saccone were only presented with Lamb. The party also accuses the Allegheny County election board of not letting Republican officials into the room where absentee ballots were being counted.
The party also said that the Pennsylvania's secretary of state website confused voters by noting new district lines set to take effect in November following the state Supreme Court's order to redraw districts, the source added. Branstetter also said that the campaign received some calls from voters who were confused about whether they could still vote in the 18th District after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's decision.

More at: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/polit...-+Top+Stories)

[juleswin]

Considering the D ran on a pro-gun, pro tariff, anti-pelosi campaign I don't see it as anything but a repudiation of Trump.

Even if you believe what people say when they are campaigning. That still wouldn't mean he is going to support Trump's agenda. Heck Trump ran as a pro gun candidate and now he supports the anti gun laws sweeping the country. People not just politicians lie when they are trying to court you and this is why people should never believe campaign promises especially when they don't align with the person's history.

Pro tariff you say? Bernie Sander and many democrats are also pro tariff today and anti Pelosi just what democrats in Red states say when they are running, it is standard operating procedure.

[charrob]

So what's the moral of the story?

i did not follow this race closely and don't know and cannot seem to find information on Saccone's foreign policy beliefs. Did he not give the electorate his views on foreign policy? John Bolton endorsed Saccone. If Saccone did not discuss his foreign policy beliefs, many might wonder what is he hiding, especially if he gave no indication of his beliefs after Bolton endorsed him.

On the other hand, Libertarian Drew Gray Miller clearly called for an end to foreign aid and foreign wars, closure of overseas military bases and bringing all troops home.

On a day when Trump throws out the only somewhat moderate in his cabinet, Rex Tillerson, nominates the bloodthirsty Iran-hating Pompeo as the head of the State Dpt., and nominates a woman who actually engaged in torture of detainees as the head of the CIA, my gut tells me a lot of people on the fence regarding Trump's policies either stayed home, voted Democrat to spite Trump's newest cabinet nominations, or voted Libertarian.

So the moral of the story could be that people were trying to tell Trump they have had enough of this militarism and endless war. The moral of the story could be that if Republicans want to win, they need to embrace the Libertarian faction of their party and embrace a noninterventionist foreign policy.

I doubt that Trump has the humility to consider this, but I think on a day he nominated the worst of interventionists to cabinet positions, many of the heretofore Trump electorate in PA's congressional district 18 may have been totally repulsed by these nominations and may have voted accordingly.

[enhanced_deficit]

i did not follow this race closely and don't know and cannot seem to find information on Saccone's foreign policy beliefs. Did he not give the electorate his views on foreign policy? John Bolton endorsed Saccone. If Saccone did not discuss his foreign policy beliefs, many might wonder what is he hiding, especially if he gave no indication of his beliefs after Bolton endorsed him.

On the other hand, Libertarian Drew Gray Miller clearly called for an end to foreign aid and foreign wars, closure of overseas military bases and bringing all troops home.

On a day when Trump throws out the only somewhat moderate in his cabinet, Rex Tillerson, nominates the bloodthirsty Iran-hating Pompeo as the head of the State Dpt., and nominates a woman who actually engaged in torture of detainees as the head of the CIA, my gut tells me a lot of people on the fence regarding Trump's policies either stayed home, voted Democrat to spite Trump's newest cabinet nominations, or voted Libertarian.

So the moral of the story could be that people were trying to tell Trump they have had enough of this militarism and endless war. The moral of the story could be that if Republicans want to win, they need to embrace the Libertarian faction of their party and embrace a noninterventionist foreign policy.

I doubt that Trump has the humility to consider this, but I think on a day he nominated the worst of interventionists to cabinet positions, many of the heretofore Trump electorate in PA's congressional district 18 may have been totally repulsed by these nominations and may have voted accordingly.

This is very dangerous writing, my concern is that any libertarians, anti-war folks, small gummit folks who had not ditched leader-in-chief already would ditch him after reading this post. You should have been more careful with the words.

[Raginfridus]

i did not follow this race closely and don't know and cannot seem to find information on Saccone's foreign policy beliefs. Did he not give the electorate his views on foreign policy? John Bolton endorsed Saccone. If Saccone did not discuss his foreign policy beliefs, many might wonder what is he hiding, especially if he gave no indication of his beliefs after Bolton endorsed him.

On the other hand, Libertarian Drew Gray Miller clearly called for an end to foreign aid and foreign wars, closure of overseas military bases and bringing all troops home.

On a day when Trump throws out the only somewhat moderate in his cabinet, Rex Tillerson, nominates the bloodthirsty Iran-hating Pompeo as the head of the State Dpt., and nominates a woman who actually engaged in torture of detainees as the head of the CIA, my gut tells me a lot of people on the fence regarding Trump's policies either stayed home, voted Democrat to spite Trump's newest cabinet nominations, or voted Libertarian.

So the moral of the story could be that people were trying to tell Trump they have had enough of this militarism and endless war. The moral of the story could be that if Republicans want to win, they need to embrace the Libertarian faction of their party and embrace a noninterventionist foreign policy.

I doubt that Trump has the humility to consider this, but I think on a day he nominated the worst of interventionists to cabinet positions, many of the heretofore Trump electorate in PA's congressional district 18 may have been totally repulsed by these nominations and may have voted accordingly.

But dannno and co. tell me its all the art of the deal.

[Raginfridus]

Considering the D ran on a pro-gun, pro tariff, anti-pelosi campaign I don't see it as anything but a repudiation of Trump.

@Swordsmyth

Loyalty to the letter:

Just the way the LP likes it, nobody will ever vote 3rd party with them making it look like they can't win and all they do is play spoiler.

Maybe the problem's too many voters like yourself, loyal to the party only.

[Swordsmyth]

@Swordsmyth

Loyalty to the letter:

I don't know what your point is or very much about this race but anyone willing to run under the Demoncrat banner can't be very good and isn't to be trusted, if he gets in he will undoubtedly backtrack any good positions he ran on.