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    More gun control from the White House:


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    I heard he's backing off the age limit now?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-h...uns-1520811900

    The White House on Sunday announced a plan to reduce gun violence at schools that includes spending federal money on training school staffers to carry concealed weapons, but not President Donald Trump’s earlier call to raise the age limit for buying guns.
    This story is a few hours old though, so things may have changed. I don't think there should be anything to worry about--Trump has supported gun-rights for decades.
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    Nothing to worry about. Just like with other Trump Genius Master Plans(TM) we have to accept more victim disarmament (gun control) now in order to wind up with much less later. I don't fully understand how this all works, but I've been assured on this very board by other geniuses that it does work. /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I don't think there should be anything to worry about--Trump has supported gun-rights for decades.
    LOL, this is a joke, right?

    He supported the AWB and he is actively banning bump stocks, and he has supported raising the age, and he even made the comment that there shouldn't be due process when it comes to taking peoples guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    LOL, this is a joke, right?

    He supported the AWB and he is actively banning bump stocks, and he has supported raising the age, and he even made the comment that there shouldn't be due process when it comes to taking peoples guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    TheTexan can explain everything if you're having trouble.
    Quite a few others are up to the task as well.
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    Ugh...for $#@!'s sake, this guy.

    Managed to hold off Obama for eight years even when he had a democrat Senate and House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ugh...for $#@!'s sake, this guy.

    Managed to hold off Obama for eight years even when he had a democrat Senate and House.

    Republicans are almost always worse for the 2nd Amendment than anyone else. Even the Clinton AWB and the Brady Bill could have been stopped if Republicans and the NRA wouldn't have betrayed us totally.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    LOL, this is a joke, right?

    He supported the AWB and he is actively banning bump stocks, and he has supported raising the age, and he even made the comment that there shouldn't be due process when it comes to taking peoples guns.
    It's @EBounding's sarcasm; it's one of the few ways to stay sane on the forum these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    It's @EBounding's sarcasm; it's one of the few ways to stay sane on the forum these days.

    That's a fact.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    More gun control from the White House:
    Wtf are you talking about? There has been no gun control out of the white house.. There has been "pushing", but like I said he is just running game it isn't going to happen.

    I'm not discouraging anybody from getting active, donating to GOA or NRA or whatever gun organization you think will protect your rights. I donated to both recently. But let's be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    . But let's be honest.
    That has never been an aspect of this debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    That has never been an aspect of this debate.
    LOL- ya think?
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    Disagree with things Trump says? Give him a couple of weeks. He will back off.

    After yet another highly publicized public hearing with members of Congress, Trump once again doesn't do what he said during the meeting he would do. He had one on DACA where he said he supported them and would sign any bill Congress sent to him. Then when Congress put a bill together, he threatened to veto it.

    This time he said he was going to go against the NRA and implement several gun control rules. Those have all gone away. Except for letting states decide if teachers can carry guns and a minor increase in background checks. He is still working on "bump stocks".



    That was old Trump (a couple weeks ago). This week?

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    ....On 18 to 21 Age Limits, watching court cases and rulings before acting. States are making this decision. Things are moving rapidly on this, but not much political support (to put it mildly).

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    Very strong improvement and strengthening of background checks will be fully backed by White House. Legislation moving forward. Bump Stocks will soon be out. Highly trained expert teachers will be allowed to conceal carry, subject to State Law. Armed guards OK, deterrent!.......

    6:15 AM - 12 Mar 2018
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wtf are you talking about? There has been no gun control out of the white house..
    Of course there is, and you're either not being honest or epically trolling.

    Trump has given cover to gun control politically which is what allowed it to be passed in Florida. Thankfully this will cost him his reelection. He has also instructed the ATF/Sessions to ban bump stocks. Now he is pushing an increased age to purchase rifles.


    That is gun control. Trump is supporting gun control. He is worse than Obama and unfit for office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Of course there is, and you're either not being honest or epically trolling.

    Trump has given cover to gun control politically which is what allowed it to be passed in Florida. Thankfully this will cost him his reelection. He has also instructed the ATF/Sessions to ban bump stocks. Now he is pushing an increased age to purchase rifles.


    That is gun control. Trump is supporting gun control. He is worse than Obama and unfit for office.

    ^^^^^This
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Disagree with things Trump says? Give him a couple of weeks. He will back off.
    I've made it point to listen closely to what he has been saying, since the gun control issue came to the forefront.

    This $#@!ing guy is all over the place, one day this, the next day that...holy $#@!, like trying to nail Jello to the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've made it point to listen closely to what he has been saying, since the gun control issue came to the forefront.

    This $#@!ing guy is all over the place, one day this, the next day that...holy $#@!, like trying to nail Jello to the wall.

    He's squarely on the gun grabber side. He's just rhetorically playing both sides so he can provide cover for the victim disarmers while at the same time provide himself with some cover against the people he's betraying. That's my take and I'm standing by it.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've made it point to listen closely to what he has been saying, since the gun control issue came to the forefront.

    This $#@!ing guy is all over the place, one day this, the next day that...holy $#@!, like trying to nail Jello to the wall.
    It does make it easy for people to find things he says that they agree with. He doesn't have any true positions. He goes where the wind blows- whatever he things his current audience wants to hear. That is not leadership.
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    Actions speak louder than words. No daca legalization and no 2nd amend restrictions despite what was/is being bandied about. He knows from the start what will be done and deliberately offers these proposals knowing there is no political support for such things. Should be plain as day at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Actions speak louder than words. No daca legalization and no 2nd amend restrictions despite what was/is being bandied about. He knows from the start what will be done and deliberately offers these proposals knowing there is no political support for such things. Should be plain as day at this point.
    Florida did not recently pass additional legislation with Trump's support?
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    Chris

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    What good is ANY restriction on the purchase of firearms if Determined Criminals NEVER buy their guns and instead choose to STEAL them?

    The REAL goal is to disarm the Law Abiding Citizen.
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    2a infringements begin @7:37


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ugh...for $#@!'s sake, this guy.

    Managed to hold off Obama for eight years even when he had a democrat Senate and House.
    Precisely why I worried more about a trump presidency than a shillary president.

    Trump will lead the sheep to slaughter. They have been blinded by his greatness. The call to drain the swamp and MAGA is all they can focus on, and the republicans will accept most everything he advocates without batting an eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It does make it easy for people to find things he says that they agree with. He doesn't have any true positions. He goes where the wind blows- whatever he things his current audience wants to hear. That is not leadership.
    It is the soul of Progressivism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Of course there is, and you're either not being honest or epically trolling.

    Trump has given cover to gun control politically which is what allowed it to be passed in Florida. Thankfully this will cost him his reelection. He has also instructed the ATF/Sessions to ban bump stocks. Now he is pushing an increased age to purchase rifles.

    That is gun control. Trump is supporting gun control. He is worse than Obama and unfit for office.
    Florida alone may suffice.

    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    He's squarely on the gun grabber side. He's just rhetorically playing both sides so he can provide cover for the victim disarmers while at the same time provide himself with some cover against the people he's betraying. That's my take and I'm standing by it.
    An apt summary of the situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post

    2a infringements begin @7:37



    So, let me get this straight.

    Trump will be proposing more victim disarmament (gun control) legislation.

    There will be more bull$#@! ATF regulations. (I thought Trump was reducing regulations?)

    And, there will be more encouraging of victim disarmers at the state and local level.

    Seems pretty comprehensive. Staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment, that Trump.
    Chris

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    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    I was a minarchist, but I ran out of excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Actions speak louder than words. No daca legalization and no 2nd amend restrictions despite what was/is being bandied about.
    Uh he just banned bump stocks which is a 2nd Amendment infringement.
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