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    President Trump said on March 8 that he's "almost finished with the legal papers" to ban bump stocks, and praised Florida's state legislature for passing gun control measures.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...=.36f27ac79945
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post

    It figures.
    Chris

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    @dannno what say you now?

    Selling guns and NRA memberships doesn't make up for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    @dannno what say you now?

    Selling guns and NRA memberships doesn't make up for this.
    Trump didn't pass the bill in Florida...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump didn't pass the bill in Florida...
    No, he is just encouraging other states to follow suit.
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    Florida passes gun control bill but fails to ban assault-style weapons used in Parkland school shooting

    Bill also allows some school employees to carry weapons on campus

    Emily Shugerman New York @eshugerman 33 mins ago

    Florida state legislators have passed the first gun control bill since the Parkland school shooting that killed 17 people last month, but failed to ban the assault-style rifles police say were used in the massacre.

    The bill, called the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, raises the minimum age for buying assault rifles from 18 to 21, institutes a three-day waiting period for all firearm purchases, and bans so-called "bump stocks" that allow shooters to fire faster.

    But the bill fails to address a major demand from Marjory Stoneman Douglas student activists, who have mobilised in favour of gun control since the shooting: a ban on military-style assault rifles like the one police say was used by shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz.

    Parkland shooting survivors and other gun control advocates say the semi-automatic weapons are too dangerous to be available to the public. The National Rifle Association (NRA), however, has strongly opposed such a ban, and critics say the language is too broad.

    One senator, Democrat Oscar Braynon, suggested an amendment narrowing the ban exclusively to AR-15 rifles – the exact weapon used in the Parkland shooting, as well as mass shootings in Las Vegas and Newtown, Connecticut. His amendment failed to pass.

    The bill also contains a controversial provision allowing some public school employees to carry weapons on campus – a policy championed by President Donald Trump in the wake of the Parkland shooting. The bill creates a $67m “marshall” programme to train and arm certain school employees to serve as “guardians”.

    Counsellors, coaches and librarians could be armed under the programme, but – contrary to Mr Trump’s proposal – full-time teachers would not be eligible. The programme is voluntary, and all applicants must pass a mental health screening and obtain a concealed carry permit.

    Detractors have said arming employees is dangerous – especially for students of colour, who are disproportionately likely to be disciplined by staff members.

    Despite their misgivings, however, several Democrats said they decide to vote in favour of the bill because of a letter issued by the families of all 17 shooting victims this week.

    “You must act to prevent mass murder from ever occurring again at any school,” the letter said. “This issue cannot wait. The moment to pass this bill is now.”
    The bill passed the House with 67 votes in support and 50 opposed, just hours after Mr Cruz was indicted on 17 counts of premeditated first-degree murder and 17 counts of attempted first-degree murder. The bill now goes to Governor Rick Scott to be signed into law.

    After the bill passed on Wednesday, legislators stood to applaud Andrew Pollack, whose daughter Meadow died in the shooting, and who sat through the entire House debate and vote.

    "More needs to be done, and it's important for the country to be united in the same way the 17 families united in support of this bill,” Mr Pollack said after the bill passed.

    "My precious daughter Meadow's life was taken, and there's nothing I can do to change that," he added. "But make no mistake, I'm a father and I'm on a mission.”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8246211.html

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    Assault "style" rifles.
    Is that style for spring or fall fashion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Is that style for spring or fall fashion?

    I'd call itvan anytime kind of thing. They're accessories that go with anything and that are appropriate for all occasions.
    Chris

    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

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    Again, I don't know why anybody is upset or surprised at this.

    Trump is on the record, many many times over the years, as being in favor of gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Again, I don't know why anybody is upset or surprised at this.

    Trump is on the record, many many times over the years, as being in favor of gun control.

    I'm not the least little bit surprised. Just want to keep reminding folks what they've got with Trump, in the hopes that they'll try to put as much pressure on as possible to prevent this bull$#@!. Now, thanks in part to his big mouth, we're probably staring down the barrel of another decade's worth of fighting for our lives over this same issue that I spent a larger part of the last few years of the 80s andvthe entire decade of the 90s fighting over. Go Trump. He's a $#@!ing genius.
    Chris

    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    I was a minarchist, but I ran out of excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I'm not the least little bit surprised. Just want to keep reminding folks what they've got with Trump, in the hopes that they'll try to put as much pressure on as possible to prevent this bull$#@!. Now, thanks in part to his big mouth, we're probably staring down the barrel of another decade's worth of fighting for our lives over this same issue that I spent a larger part of the last few years of the 80s andvthe entire decade of the 90s fighting over. Go Trump. He's a $#@!ing genius.
    No doubt.

    By shooting off his mouth and saying, well hell, what has been saying for decades, he has set the gun rights effort back decades.

    And that's a discouraging sign, since those are the only rights anybody seems willing to even try to stand up for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Again, I don't know why anybody is upset or surprised at this.

    Trump is on the record, many many times over the years, as being in favor of gun control.
    At CPAC Trump said this:

    “If they [Democrats] get in, they will repeal your tax cuts,” Trump said during an appearance at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington. “They will put judges in that you wouldn't believe. They will take away your Second Amendment, which we will never allow to happen.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ake-power.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump didn't pass the bill in Florida...
    He gave the Republicans in Florida political cover, so yes, he actually did have a lot to do with it. If he had come out hard against it then it wouldnt' have passed.


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    LIARS
    GONNA
    LIE

    Please tell me why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Again, I don't know why anybody is upset or surprised at this.

    Trump is on the record, many many times over the years, as being in favor of gun control.
    Although in the past he used to have liberal stances on various issues that matter most to conservatives, to be fair and in interest of political opportunism, he had flip flopped on many of those issues before winning GOP nomination. He seems to go with the winning strategy and with winners.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    He gave the Republicans in Florida political cover, so yes, he actually did have a lot to do with it. If he had come out hard against it then it wouldnt' have passed.
    That's just like, your opinion, man..
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    The NYC real estate mogul that hung out with Bloomberg and the Clintons is supporting gun control??? NFW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    At CPAC Trump said this:

    “If they [Democrats] get in, they will repeal your tax cuts,” Trump said during an appearance at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington. “They will put judges in that you wouldn't believe. They will take away your Second Amendment, which we will never allow to happen.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ake-power.html
    Maybe he doesn't understand just what the Second Amendment means or says?

    Maybe he has a "disconnect" of titanic and medically definable proportions?

    Maybe he's bullshitted so long and so loud he actually believes his own bull$#@!?

    You can't get up in front of a bunch of people and say "you'll never allow the Second Amendment to be taken away" and then turn around and heap praise on the people taking the Second Amendment away, and proposing your own ideas to take the Second Amendment away, without one or all of the above being true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The NYC real estate mogul that hung out with Bloomberg and the Clintons is supporting gun control??? NFW!

    I know, right?

    Chris

    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    I was a minarchist, but I ran out of excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Maybe he doesn't understand just what the Second Amendment means or says?

    Maybe he has a "disconnect" of titanic and medically definable proportions?

    Maybe he's bullshitted so long and so loud he actually believes his own bull$#@!?

    You can't get up in front of a bunch of people and say "you'll never allow the Second Amendment to be taken away" and then turn around and heap praise on the people taking the Second Amendment away, and proposing your own ideas to take the Second Amendment away, without one or all of the above being true.
    I'll bet on this one:

    Maybe he's bullshitted so long and so loud he actually believes his own bull$#@!?
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Maybe he doesn't understand just what the Second Amendment means or says?

    Maybe he has a "disconnect" of titanic and medically definable proportions?

    Maybe he's bullshitted so long and so loud he actually believes his own bull$#@!?

    You can't get up in front of a bunch of people and say "you'll never allow the Second Amendment to be taken away" and then turn around and heap praise on the people taking the Second Amendment away, and proposing your own ideas to take the Second Amendment away, without one or all of the above being true.
    Or maybe what he is doing is going way over all of our heads, but in the end, I will win the bet.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Maybe he doesn't understand just what the Second Amendment means or says?

    Maybe he has a "disconnect" of titanic and medically definable proportions?

    Maybe he's bullshitted so long and so loud he actually believes his own bull$#@!?

    You can't get up in front of a bunch of people and say "you'll never allow the Second Amendment to be taken away" and then turn around and heap praise on the people taking the Second Amendment away, and proposing your own ideas to take the Second Amendment away, without one or all of the above being true.
    Not for nothing but the OP is the Washington Compost piece who have not been quite favorable to Trump and have made up things in the past about him.

    I have looked really hard to see if Trump made those comments and I cannot find anywhere where he praised them on this gun bill.

    Not a word on his Twitter account: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Or maybe what he is doing is going way over all of our heads, but in the end, I will win the bet.
    Just for you, d.



    I fear that I am giving you ideas here....but the only way any of this is way over all of our heads is if Trump, and all of these various legislators, are attempting to be so transparently flip floppy ridiculous that people start to realize that their actions are nothing more than words on paper and, en masse, simply start ignoring dumb laws altogether. I'm not betting on that one but it's all I can come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No doubt.

    By shooting off his mouth and saying, well hell, what has been saying for decades, he has set the gun rights effort back decades.

    And that's a discouraging sign, since those are the only rights anybody seems willing to even try to stand up for.

    His reckless and irresponsible comments in favor of gun control (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt that I don't believe for one second he deserves, btw) have done way more than just embolden the pernicious scum pushing victim disarmament. It's given them something far more powerful and dangerous, a concrete reason for hope, which they've mostly lacked for at least a decade now.

    This could be very, VERY bad. I hope I'm just being paranoid, but I've seen this $#@! go down before. Last time we almost lost it all. We may not be so lucky this time.
    Chris

    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    I was a minarchist, but I ran out of excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I'll bet on this one:




    Me too.
    Chris

    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    I was a minarchist, but I ran out of excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Just for you, d.



    I fear that I am giving you ideas here....but the only way any of this is way over all of our heads is if Trump, and all of these various legislators, are attempting to be so transparently flip floppy ridiculous that people start to realize that their actions are nothing more than words on paper and, en masse, simply start ignoring dumb laws altogether. I'm not betting on that one but it's all I can come up with.

    Personally, I wish he WOULD stop believin'. This place would immediately become at least 50% less monotonous. All the Trump pumping gets boring and tiresome after a while.
    Chris

    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    I was a minarchist, but I ran out of excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That's just like, your opinion, man..
    No it is not actually, it is fact. As a professional firearms lobbyist and resident of Florida I was involved in this and had firsthand information at what was happening.
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