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    I hate insurance. I have for a very long time.. insurance has always given me a "bad feeling".

    For a long time I attributed it to betting against yourself..

    but it is worse that that and now I understand why I HATE it.

    Insurance is declaring that you do not trust God.
    It is thumbing a nose at the Creator,, as He is unable to care for you.

    and I suppose that is fine if you don't believe.

    I Hate Insurance.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I hate insurance. I have for a very long time.. insurance has always given me a "bad feeling".

    For a long time I attributed it to betting against yourself..

    but it is worse that that and now I understand why I HATE it.

    Insurance is declaring that you do not trust God.
    It is thumbing a nose at the Creator,, as He is unable to care for you.

    and I suppose that is fine if you don't believe.

    I Hate Insurance.
    Right now, my parents, who make $70k a year retirement, are wondering why they never heard of Long Term Care Insurance. Because, believe it or not, $70k won't buy you $#@! when it comes to your end times.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Even God knows there are things that can happen to individuals that are devastating which they cannot otherwise afford to overcome financially, but since it happens to so few people many people who are risk averse will get together to pay premiums into a fund that will allow those who suffer from these tragedies to get relief.

    A lot of people insure against tragedies that they cannot control, but even car insurance isn't necessarily betting against yourself, as there are incidents that can occur on the road which are out of your control that you could be held liable for. People who are safer drivers will use the insurance less often and insurance companies recognize this by giving safe drivers lower premiums. People want to pay the lowest premiums possible, so this actually encourages them to drive safely because if they don't and they have their premiums raised then they will be paying for it over time, but at least those who they affected can get instant relief from the fund they have been paying into, and the driver does not have to suffer through bankruptcy.

    The state forcing people to get insurance isn't good, although a private road could force people to get car insurance if they chose. The state should not subsidize insurance. This leads to loss of life and property in devastating disasters like hurricanes where people may take risks they wouldn't otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Insurance is declaring that you do not trust God.
    It is thumbing a nose at the Creator,, as He is unable to care for you.
    The same thing can be said for preventative steps such as vaccinations, cleaning off food preparation areas before use, and boarding up windows when a hurricane is coming. Those who throw caution to the winds believing that their trust in God will be enough to protect them often end up dead.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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    Insurance should be looked at as a plan for something catastrophic to happen. It is an unselfish way of making sure your loved ones can be protected if something should happen to you.

    Death is inevitable for all of us (there should be a plan for that). However, sickness taking down the breadwinners is not always something that has been planned out, but when it does and there is insurance, it helps the loves ones have some peace of mind. Like the motto of the Boy/Girl Scouts: Always be prepared.

    1 Timothy 5:8 -
    But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

    Ezekiel 38:7
    Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    The same thing can be said for preventative steps such as vaccinations, cleaning off food preparation areas before use, and boarding up windows when a hurricane is coming. Those who throw caution to the winds believing that their trust in God will be enough to protect them often end up dead.
    Yep. Satan is a thing, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    . Those who throw caution to the winds believing that their trust in God will be enough to protect them often end up dead.
    uh huh,, like I said.


    Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
    I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.
    If you don't believe that God can and will care for you.. someone has plan to sell you. so you can feel protected.

    I really hate Mandatory Insurance,, I do render unto Caesar ,, but I hate doing it and certainly do not trust it for any good.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Yep. Satan is a thing, too.
    He sells Insurance.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    If you don't believe that God can and will care for you.. someone has plan to sell you. so you can feel protected.

    I really hate Mandatory Insurance,, I do render unto Caesar ,, but I hate doing it and certainly do not trust it for any good.
    I thought you were against insurance in general, which not only makes you feel protected, it provides actual protection.

    People who trust in God are nevertheless killed in accidents, and life insurance helps to protect their families against the economic consequences of such an event. While you may be living in heaven your family remains on earth and will have to find some way to pay the bills.

    Some who trust in God are nevertheless careless while driving cars, and liability insurance helps to protect them against damage judgments. Uninsured motorist coverage protects them against careless and insolvent uninsured or underinsured drivers that injure their person or property. Homeowners insurance helps to pay for the damage resulting from broken water heaters that flood half the house (I speak from experience here). Medical insurance helps pay doctor and hospital costs in connection with accidents or diseases. The list goes on.

    Whether the government should require liability coverage before issuing driver's licenses or vehicle registrations is a different matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    I thought you were against insurance in general, which not only makes you feel protected, it provides actual protection.
    I purchase what is required by Caesar .
    which at this time is only car insurance.
    which does absolutely nothing for me ever even though I have paid more in insurance on each and every car I have owned,than the car was worth.
    through 5 decades.

    It does not make me feel protected.. it makes me feel robbed.
    I am protected by God.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Those who throw caution to the winds believing that their trust in God will be enough to protect them often end up dead.
    Those that trust in God never die.

    Which is why I posted it here rather than in general.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    @Sonny Tufts

    What good would insurance be to me walking around the main yard in a Maximum Security Prison (that sounds safe right).?

    What type of insurance would apply to protect me?
    oh,, and be assured,, there are folks in there who both offer and provide protection.

    if you want insurance,, and you have something they want,

    Or,, There is Protective Custody (cozy) if you can trust the guards to protect you 24/7.
    (I do not. I was placed in PC twice.. the second time it took two weeks to fight my way out,,, and I signed paper relieving the Dept of Corrections of any responsibility.)
    it's called taking your life in your own hands.

    God did protect me there.. And I walked the yard as a free man.

    Why should I think He has become unable??
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Those that trust in God never die.

    Which is why I posted it here rather than in general.
    Our flesh body dies. Our loved ones who are with us have flesh bodies too--Our flesh dies but if you believe in Jesus and that he died for us all, your spirit will never die.

    Ecclesiastes 12:6-7 (KJV)

    6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

    7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Our flesh body dies. Our loved ones who are with us have flesh bodies too--Our flesh dies but if you believe in Jesus and that he died for us all, your spirit will never die.

    Ecclesiastes 12:6-7 (KJV)

    6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

    Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
    Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns--and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

    Aren't two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them falls to the ground without your Father's consent.
    I'll trust my Father before I trust a corporation.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    @donnay,, from your other thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Psalm 18:3-6 (KJV)

    3 I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.

    4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.

    5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

    6 In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.
    This was my day.. everyday,, And God is my Insurance.. my assurance.

    More today than ever.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    @donnay,, from your other thread.



    This was my day.. everyday,, And God is my Insurance.. my assurance.

    More today than ever.
    God is my assurance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    God is my assurance.
    That too.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Insurance is declaring that you do not trust God.
    It is thumbing a nose at the Creator,, as He is unable to care for you.

    and I suppose that is fine if you don't believe.

    I Hate Insurance.
    From the perspective of a non-believer, I see it the opposite way. Insurance is when you condition yourself to buy into a belief system you wouldn't otherwise think is true, because you're afraid of the possibility of what might happen if you're mistaken. But at least we can both dislike insurance for reasons that both make sense, respectively..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    I thought you were against insurance in general, which not only makes you feel protected, it provides actual protection.
    It provides NO Protection.. (that is it's lie)

    It will not heal you.
    It does not prevent injury.
    It may pay off on your bet.. It will pay money.. or it will pay money to those left.

    It prevents nothing,, it protects nothing,, It is only a bet that pays off when you lose.

    a blend of protection racket and casino.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    This thread reminds me of my godmother. She pays cash and negotiates prices with doctors and so on. Hasn't carried insurance for years. God bless her. <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    This thread reminds me of my godmother. She pays cash and negotiates prices with doctors and so on. Hasn't carried insurance for years. God bless her. <3
    A Doctor in Michigan almost killed my step daughter..excessive misdiagnosis.
    I know several others with similar stories..

    Dr Paul was the last one I saw,, and that was just conversation,, and a handshake.

    God has kept and protected me...He is my Health Care Professional.
    And my insurance,, I have not needed traumatic repair for years. and would accept such aid as provided..
    I Accept such as a gift of God,,

    Let me ask a related (in my mind) question,,

    Should a Christian be on Welfare?
    Or,,, more truthfully and more bluntly,, should a Christian accept mammon from satan?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It provides NO Protection.. (that is it's lie)

    It will not heal you. It's not supposed to. But it will help pay for the cost of healing.
    It does not prevent injury.It's not designed to.
    It may pay off on your bet.. It will pay money.. or it will pay money to those left.Which is the reason you buy life insurance in the first place. It replaces some of the money you would otherwise earn for your family if you were alive. And it's income tax free.

    a blend of protection racket and casino.No one is forced to buy life insurance. And there are certain circumstances in which the odds favor buying life insurance to help pay estate taxes.
    I guess all those people in Puerto Rico who trusted in God and whose homes were destroyed by the hurricane just didn't have enough faith, right?
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    I guess all those people in Puerto Rico who trusted in God and whose homes were destroyed by the hurricane just didn't have enough faith, right?
    If they trust God,, they are safe.. God will take care of them.
    Insurance would not have prevented anything,,,

    Money won't save you.

    You cannot serve both God and Mammon.


    and to your last False point... Insurance is forced on anyone who owns a car,, and the health Care Mandate was just ended.

    Insurance is forced on business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    If they trust God,, they are safe.. God will take care of them.
    Did God rebuild their homes and turn on the electricity?

    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    and to your last False point... Insurance is forced on anyone who owns a car,, and the health Care Mandate was just ended.

    Insurance is forced on business.
    Perhaps you should reread my last point, which was limited to life insurance.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post

    Perhaps you should reread my last point, which was limited to life insurance.
    Which does nothing for you.. It neither extends life nor prevents injury.. You are still dead.. and money won't bring you back.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Which does nothing for you.. It neither extends life nor prevents injury.. You are still dead.. and money won't bring you back.
    You continue to miss the point. It will provide money for your family when you aren't around to do so. Whether you'll admit it or not, money and trust in God pay the bills much better than just trust in God.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    You continue to miss the point. It will provide money for your family when you aren't around to do so. Whether you'll admit it or not, money and trust in God pay the bills much better than just trust in God.
    Money is worthless...

    But chose who you serve.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    A Doctor in Michigan almost killed my step daughter..excessive misdiagnosis.
    I know several others with similar stories..

    Dr Paul was the last one I saw,, and that was just conversation,, and a handshake.

    God has kept and protected me...He is my Health Care Professional.
    And my insurance,, I have not needed traumatic repair for years. and would accept such aid as provided..
    I Accept such as a gift of God,,

    Let me ask a related (in my mind) question,,

    Should a Christian be on Welfare?
    Or,,, more truthfully and more bluntly,, should a Christian accept mammon from satan?
    "Welfare" being that offered from fellow Christians in the sense our Lord commanded? I don't mind that too much. That's more charity than welfare, though. State welfare though, ideally not. However, I don't *always* judge people who get stuck on it because the regime's Welfare State so overwhelms everything else now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    I guess all those people in Puerto Rico who trusted in God and whose homes were destroyed by the hurricane just didn't have enough faith, right?
    I have a friend who lives in the Bahamas who's million dollar home was destroyed in the hurricane. He has and at the time had insurance. He still hasn't gotten a settlement check yet because the insurance company said they are still paying off for Puerto Rico. Make of that what you will. I have another friend who's home was destroyed as a result of the Nashville flood in 2010. He had flood insurance, but the insurance company wouldn't pay because they said the damage was from a mud slide and he didn't have earth moving insurance. Make of that what you will too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    "Welfare" being that offered from fellow Christians in the sense our Lord commanded? I don't mind that too much. That's more charity than welfare, though. State welfare though, ideally not. However, I don't *always* judge people who get stuck on it because the regime's Welfare State so overwhelms everything else now.
    I did not say Charity..Charity is a gift,, a gift from God through the hands of another.

    I said Welfare.. Government Handout.. Going to govt for care.. Stolen Money managed by those capable of being given authority,, by him who gives it to whomever he will.

    And I did not say to judge (except for yourself)
    I said this not Milk,, this is meat.

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