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    Trade is good, tariffs are bad:

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    Trump's goal is to reduce tariffs, you just have to look at the other side of the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump's goal is to reduce tariffs, you just have to look at the other side of the equation.
    +rep exactly

    If we want to reduce tariffs, we have to increase them. It's the only way
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump's goal is to reduce tariffs, you just have to look at the other side of the equation.
    He has a funny way of going about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    I didn't actually read any of the thread. I now mostly just come here to mess with Zip.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He has a funny way of going about it.
    Not more funny than your way of supporting the goals of this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump's goal is to reduce tariffs, you just have to look at the other side of the equation.
    Reminds me of that part in Starsky and Hutch (the movie they made based off the show) where Hutch is undercover and the sergeant asks him why he hasn't made any arrests and he says, "How can I arrest them, they'll know I'm a cop."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Trade is good, tariffs are bad:

    We've been trading like crazy for the last few decades. Just look what a great shape we are all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    We've been trading like crazy for the last few decades. Just look what a great shape we are all in.
    Yes. It has nothing to do with the myriad laws, taxes, regulations and wholesale debasement of a currency to fund entitled generations in perpetuity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If we want to reduce tariffs, we have to increase them. It's the only way
    This makes zero sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    This makes zero sense.
    Its okay little guy, someone who knows best for you thinks it makes sense and thats all that matters.

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    I am all for free trade . You guys let me know when that happens . Until then , meh .

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Not more funny than your way of supporting the goals of this site.
    Zippy is fake news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Zippy is fake news.
    America laughs but fake news is like a spec of dirt in your eye, if you're not careful it can get infected and you could go blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    This makes zero sense.
    No, it makes perfect sense. If Trump just went to other countries and asked them nicely to lower their tariffs, they would tell him to kick rocks. Now Trump has some ammo. They will lower their tariffs, and we will pay less tariffs.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, it makes perfect sense. If Trump just went to other countries and asked them nicely to lower their tariffs, they would tell him to kick rocks. Now Trump has some ammo. They will lower their tariffs, and we will pay less tariffs.
    For a bunch of "libertarians", there are precious few people here who have even this modest measure of business sense. US trade reps were so desperate to make deals, that every counterparty knew up front they could drive the hardest possible terms, that favored them the most. And here we are, locked in a web of extremely bad deals that narrowly privatize the benefits and socialize the costs.

    Our determination to "free trade" at all costs means we pay the highest possible cost for it and nobody else has incentive to reciprocate.
    Oligarchy delenda est

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    Stossel's full of $#@!. NAFTA destroyed the furniture manufacturing in my part of the woods. Destroyed it. Wiped out the middle class. Period. $#@! Stossel.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    For a bunch of "libertarians", there are precious few people here who have even this modest measure of business sense. US trade reps were so desperate to make deals, that every counterparty knew up front they could drive the hardest possible terms, that favored them the most. And here we are, locked in a web of extremely bad deals that narrowly privatize the benefits and socialize the costs.

    Our determination to "free trade" at all costs means we pay the highest possible cost for it and nobody else has incentive to reciprocate.
    And yet the stupid schmucks are convinced they are the smartest guys in the room and are unable to realize they have been conned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    And yet the stupid schmucks are convinced they are the smartest guys in the room and are unable to realize they have been conned.
    What really blows my mind is that our trade deals are on such unbelievably and universally bad terms that any person with any business experience - by which I mean actually making deals, not merely working in a business - should be shocked.

    And this tells me that none of the ninny crowd here has any actual business experience. What kind of libertarian has so little entrepreneurial spirit as to be that unfamiliar with negotiating a business arrangement?
    Oligarchy delenda est

    “If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” - Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Stossel's full of $#@!. NAFTA destroyed the furniture manufacturing in my part of the woods. Destroyed it. Wiped out the middle class. Period. $#@! Stossel.
    Well and we know that wasn't because of free trade, that was because of a government managed economy and government managed currency combined with bad government managed trade deals. Stossel is mostly right that free trade is good, but if you setup the wrong combination of factors you can make some serious inorganic shifts in the economy that hurt some people.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Stossel's full of $#@!. NAFTA destroyed the furniture manufacturing in my part of the woods. Destroyed it. Wiped out the middle class. Period. $#@! Stossel.
    But they are doing fine now because of all that extra money they have by saving money on Chinese made furniture...right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    America laughs but fake news is like a spec of dirt in your eye, if you're not careful it can get infected and you could go blind.
    I don't know what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Stossel's full of $#@!. NAFTA destroyed the furniture manufacturing in my part of the woods. Destroyed it. Wiped out the middle class. Period. $#@! Stossel.
    But it made it cheaper to buy goods with your welfare stipends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, it makes perfect sense. If Trump just went to other countries and asked them nicely to lower their tariffs, they would tell him to kick rocks. Now Trump has some ammo. They will lower their tariffs, and we will pay less tariffs.
    That's not really Trump's job.

    And as long as he doesn't actually raise or create tariffs.


    But he should also not use the bully pulpit to spread economic ignorance either. Many people ignorantly think that tariffs are good thing and Trump is fueling these delusions by his rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Stossel's full of $#@!. NAFTA destroyed the furniture manufacturing in my part of the woods. Destroyed it. Wiped out the middle class. Period. $#@! Stossel.
    NAFTA was a bad deal. Has Ron has said, "why does a free trade deal need 27,000 pages?"


    That being said, being specialized is key to having good opportunity, but so is being versatile. The economy is not static.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well and we know that wasn't because of free trade, that was because of a government managed economy and government managed currency combined with bad government managed trade deals. Stossel is mostly right that free trade is good, but if you setup the wrong combination of factors you can make some serious inorganic shifts in the economy that hurt some people.
    Now you're starting to make sense again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, it makes perfect sense. If Trump just went to other countries and asked them nicely to lower their tariffs, they would tell him to kick rocks. Now Trump has some ammo. They will lower their tariffs, and we will pay less tariffs.
    Guess you were wrong:


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/u...ouncement.html
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