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    From James O'Neill : Skripal-Steele

    In the early 1990s Skripal was recruited by an MI6 agent Pablo Miller … Miller’s main task was recruiting Russians … the MI6 officer under diplomatic cover in Moscow at this time was Christopher Steele. …

    If the Russians had wanted to kill [Skripal], they had ample opportunity to do so during the years when he was imprisoned or the eight years he lived in retirement in Salisbury. If they did wish to kill him, it is not a very credible that they would do so very publicly and by a means that could not be bought off the shelf in the local pharmacy. … The obvious candidates for the attempted murder are therefore government agencies, but which government is the unanswered question. …

    While living in Salisbury, Skripal became … with none other than the aforementioned [MI6] Pablo Miller – whom the Telegraph declined to name but has since been identified on the web. Miller is now working with a British security consultancy named Orbis Business Intelligence. … Miller’s association with this company has now been removed from Miller’s LinkedIn profile. The obvious question again is: why do so now?

    Orbis is the same private intelligence agency as that of Christopher Steele. It seems more than a mere coincidence that the same three men who had personal and professional links going back to the 1990s should have a continuing association at the same time as the Steele dossier was being compiled …

    Skripal was likely involved in the production of the Steele dossier. He was therefore in a position to offer potentially very damaging information into the circumstances of the Steele dossier. …

    who had the means, the motive and the opportunity? Framed in that light, the Russians come a distant fourth behind the other prime suspects; the U.S. and U.K. intelligence agencies themselves, and those elements of the deep state that sought to prevent Trump winning, and subsequently to undermine his presidency. …

    A second major question … is cui bono – who benefits? …

    Further support for the hypothesis that this was a false flag operation comes in this statement that British Prime Minister Theresa May made to the UK Parliament. The statement was frankly absurd and could only have been made when the intention was to further demonize and punish Russia, rather than any attempt to establish the truth and apply ordinary principles of evidence and factual analysis.

    May’s argument is thoroughly deconstructed on the Moon of Alabama website, which pointed out that Russia had destroyed all left over stocks from the Soviet Union’s chemical weapon program and does not currently produce chemical weapons. Further, there are any number of governments capable of carrying out the Salisbury attack. “If someone is run-over by a BMW is it ‘highly likely’ that the German government is responsible for it?” …
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    Afshin Rattansi.
    .skynews reports that Novichok is held by Porton Down chemical warfare plant (5mi from where Skripal was found)

    Alexander Nekrasoff said it was "possessed by about 16 countries in their laboratories".
    "Why do I know this?" he added. "Because that's how the antidote is developed."

    He also claimed that the Porton Down military research facility near Salisbury possessed novichok - again in order to develop an antidote.

    Mr Nekrasoff described Mr Skripal as being of "no interest to the Kremlin", and said people in some of the other countries allegedly in possession of novichok
    "want to damage Russia".

    Russia: Theresa May's comments on Salisbury spy a 'circus show'
    https://news.sky.com/story/russia-th...-show-11287517



    So Nekrasoff is another Russian who says the same thing as Valery Morozov in the BBC's article below:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43344725?...e=news_central

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    Former spy Sergei Skripal was poisoned by Russian nerve agent smeared on his car door, report says


    • UK officials reportedly believe Sergei Skripal was poisoned via his car door.
    • They told The Daily Mail that the deadly Novichok nerve agent was smeared Skripal's car door.
    • It could explain why both Skripal and his daughter Yulia were poisoned.



    According to the Metropolitan Police, Skripal and his daughter used the car, a red BMW, to visit Salisbury city centre on the day they were poisoned.

    They parked in a Sainsbury's supermarket car park, then visited a pub and a restaurant. Shortly after leaving the restaurant,
    they were found clearly suffering from the effects of Novichok.

    Investigators this week started examining the section of the car park the Skripals used before entering The Maltings shopping centre, where they collapsed.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/offic...ar-door-2018-3

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    FF Pre-Meditated Script now rolling...








    May says
    -UK will suspend all high-level planned bilaterals with Russia
    -UK will revoke Lavrov meeting in UK
    -No ministers or royal family to go to World Cup in Russia.
    -UK will freeze Russia state assets when needed.
    -UK expulsion of 23 diplomats
    -UK will move to adopt Magnitsky law and toughen laws to seize assets.

    Review...

    Conflict News
    BREAKING: British prime minister May: Russian state is guilty of attempted murder of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter - @AP

    Conflict News
    MORE: PM May has announced the expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats as part of a range of measures in response to the poisoning of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury- @SkyNewsBreak

    Conflict News
    MORE: May says will revoke Lavrov meeting in U.K. and no ministers or royal family to go to World Cup in Russia - @haaretzcom

    UK calls for urgent meeting of UN Security Council over poisoning of a former Russian double agent in Salisbury

    NATO

    Jens Stoltenberg
    I welcome that the 29 NATO Allies have just agreed a statement expressing full solidarity with the UK and offering support after the Salisbury attack.

    North Atlantic Council of @natO will meet for a consecutive day tomorrow




    Russia

    ONLY THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN DRIVING ON RUSSOPHOBIC CAMPAIGN COULD HAVE MOTIVES TO POISON SKRIPAL - LAVROV

    LAVROV: RUSSIA DOES NOT HAVE AND COULD NOT HAVE HAD MOTIVES TO POISON SKRIPAL
    UK DEMONSTRATES POLITICAL PLAY IN SKRIPAL CASE - LAVROV

    UK WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR ATTEMPT TO MISLEAD INT'L COMMUNITY IN SKRIPAL CASE - LAVROV

    Yulia Skripal is a Russian citizen.
    She was poisoned in the UK.
    It is Russia who needs explanations from Theresa May.
    RUSSIAN EMBASSY IN LONDON TO ASK ON WEDNESDAY FOR CONSULAR ACCESS TO SKRIPAL'S DAUGHTER



    THEFT


    BEAKING: The UK to freeze Russian state assets if there is ‘proof of threat to Britain.
    https://sputniknews.com/europe/20180...soning-russia/




    Russian embassy in London statement:

    On 14 of March Russian Ambassador Alexander Yakovenko was summoned to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
    where he was informed that 23 diplomats were declared personae non grata.
    We consider this hostile action as totally unacceptable, unjustified and shortsighted.
    All the responsibility for the deterioration of the Russia-UK relationship lies with the current political leadership of Britain.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-14-2018 at 08:48 AM.

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    (LONDON) — Britain will expel nearly two dozen Russian diplomats, sever high-level bilateral contacts with Moscow and take
    both open and covert action against Kremlin meddling after the poisoning of a former spy, the prime minister said Wednesday,
    plunging U.K.-Russian relations into their deepest freeze since the Cold War.

    Prime Minister Theresa May told lawmakers that 23 Russian diplomats who have been identified as undeclared intelligence officers
    have a week to leave the country.

    http://time.com/5199035/uk-expelling-russian-diplomats/

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    @nigel_Farage
    2h2 hours ago

    Mrs May has acted, quite rightly, against Russia. Not that it will make any difference.



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    RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY: THERESA MAY'S STATEMENT UNPRECEDENTEDLY GROSS PROVOCATION

    UK says any further retaliation by Russia could lead to expulsion of Russian ambassador.

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    The United Kingdom has called for an urgent meeting of the United Nations Security Council to address the recent poisoning of a former Russian spy in England, Financial Times reported March 14.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...ress-poisoning
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    The “novichok” group of nerve agents – a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago – will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel. This Foreign Policy magazine (a very establishment US publication) article on Israel‘s chemical and biological weapon capability is very interesting indeed. I will return to Israel later in this article.
    Incidentally, novichok is not a specific substance but a class of new nerve agents. Sources agree they were designed to be persistent, and of an order of magnitude stronger than sarin or VX. That is rather hard to square with the fact that thankfully nobody has died and those possibly in contact just have to wash their clothes.
    From Putin’s point of view, to assassinate Skripal now seems to have very little motivation. If the Russians have waited eight years to do this, they could have waited until after their World Cup. The Russians have never killed a swapped spy before. Just as diplomats, British and otherwise, are the most ardent upholders of the principle of diplomatic immunity, so security service personnel everywhere are the least likely to wish to destroy a system which can be a key aspect of their own personal security; quite literally spy swaps are their “Get Out of Jail Free” card. You don’t undermine that system – probably terminally – without very good reason.
    It is worth noting that the “wicked” Russians gave Skripal a far lighter jail sentence than an American equivalent would have received. If a member of US Military Intelligence had sold, for cash to the Russians, the names of hundreds of US agents and officers operating abroad, the Americans would at the very least jail the person for life, and I strongly suspect would execute them. Skripal just received a jail sentence of 18 years, which is hard to square with the narrative of implacable vindictiveness against him. If the Russians had wanted to make an example, that was the time.
    It is much more probable that the reason for this assassination attempt refers to something recent or current, than to spying twenty years ago. Were I the British police, I would inquire very closely into Orbis Intelligence.
    There is no doubt that Skripal was feeding secrets to MI6 at the time that Christopher Steele was an MI6 officer in Moscow, and at the the time that Pablo Miller, another member of Orbis Intelligence, was also an MI6 officer in Russia and directly recruiting agents. It is widely reported on the web and in US media that it was Miller who first recruited Skripal.
    My own ex-MI6 sources tell me that is not quite true as Skripal was “walk-in”, but that Miller certainly was involved in running Skripal for a while. Sadly Pablo Miller’s LinkedIn profile has recently been deleted, but it is again widely alleged on the web that it showed him as a consultant for Orbis Intelligence and a consultant to the FCO and – wait for it – with an address in Salisbury.
    If anyone can recover that Linkedin entry do get in touch, though British Government agencies will have been active in the internet scrubbing.
    It was of course Christopher Steele and Orbis Intelligence who produced for the Clinton camp the sensationalist dossier on Trump links with Russia – including the story of Trump paying to be urinated on by Russian prostitutes – that is a key part of the “Russiagate” affair gripping the US political classes. The extraordinary thing about this is that the Orbis dossier is obvious nonsense which anybody with a professional background can completely demolish, as I did here. Steele’s motive was, like Skripal’s in selling his secrets, cash pure and simple. Steele is a charlatan who knocked up a series of allegations that are either wildly improbable, or would need a high level source access he could not possibly get in today’s Russia, or both. He told the Democrats what they wish to hear and his audience – who had and still have no motivation to look at it critically – paid him highly for it.
    I do not know for certain that Pablo Miller helped knock together the Steele dossier on Trump, but it seems very probable given he also served for MI6 in Russia and was working for Orbis. And it seems to me even more probable that Sergei Skripal contributed to the Orbis Intelligence dossier on Trump. Steele and Miller cannot go into Russia and run sources any more, and never would have had access as good as their dossier claims, even in their MI6 days. The dossier was knocked up for huge wodges of cash from whatever they could cobble together. Who better to lend a little corroborative verisimilitude in these circumstances than their old source Skripal?
    Skripal was at hand in the UK, and allegedly even close to Miller in Salisbury. He could add in the proper acronym for a Russian committee here or the name of a Russian official there, to make it seem like Steele was providing hard intelligence. Indeed, Skripal’s outdated knowledge might explain some of the dossier’s more glaring errors.
    But the problem with double agents like Skripal, who give intelligence for money, is that they can easily become triple agents and you never know when a better offer is going to come along. When Steele produced his dodgy dossier, he had no idea it would ever become so prominent and subject to so much scrutiny. Steele is fortunate in that the US Establishment is strongly motivated not to scrutinise his work closely as their one aim is to “get” Trump. But with the stakes very high, having a very loose cannon as one of the dossier’s authors might be most inconvenient both for Orbis and for the Clinton camp.
    If I was the police, I would look closely at Orbis Intelligence.
    To return to Israel. Israel has the nerve agents. Israel has Mossad which is extremely skilled at foreign assassinations. Theresa May claimed Russian propensity to assassinate abroad as a specific reason to believe Russia did it. Well Mossad has an even greater propensity to assassinate abroad. And while I am struggling to see a Russian motive for damaging its own international reputation so grievously, Israel has a clear motivation for damaging the Russian reputation so grievously. Russian action in Syria has undermined the Israeli position in Syria and Lebanon in a fundamental way, and Israel has every motive for damaging Russia’s international position by an attack aiming to leave the blame on Russia.
    Both the Orbis and Israeli theories are speculations. But they are no more a speculation, and no more a conspiracy theory, than the idea that Vladimir Putin secretly sent agents to Salisbury to attack Skripal with a secret nerve agent. I can see absolutely no reason to believe that is a more valid speculation than the others at this point.

    More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/skripa...isbury/5632102
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    FF Pre-Meditated Script now rolling...
    May says
    -UK will suspend all high-level planned bilaterals with Russia
    -UK will revoke Lavrov meeting in UK
    -No ministers or royal family to go to World Cup in Russia.
    -UK will freeze Russia state assets when needed.
    -UK expulsion of 23 diplomats
    -UK will move to adopt Magnitsky law and toughen laws to seize assets. ...
    Theresa May fires a blank shot following her Colin Powell Moment

    After days of hysteria and … having stoked up by her statement on Monday expectations of stern action against Russia to stratospheric levels, Theresa May produced a package of ‘sanctions’ today which do no more than expose the weakness of Britain’s hand. …

    • The expulsion of 23 diplomats – who have one week to leave
    • Increased checks on private flights, customs and freight
    • The freezing of Russian state assets where there is evidence they may be used to threaten the life or property of UK nationals or residents
    • Ministers and Royal Family to boycott the Fifa World Cup in Russia later this year
    • The suspension of all planned high level bi-lateral contacts between the UK and Russia


    Note that none of these sanctions include any of the supposedly draconian steps which have been spoken about over the last few days.
    Theresa May for example appeared to rule out a blanket visa ban and sweeping asset freezes …
    It is clear that ideas for a boycott by the England team of the World Cup in Russia and for the complete severing of diplomatic relations with Russia have been abandoned if they were ever considered. …
    the idea of launching a cyber-attack against Russia has been ruled out, since the British quietly acknowledge that Russia has immeasurably greater cyber resources …

    As to whether or not Ofcom will now strip RT of its broadcasting license, Maria Zakharova’s threat to expel all British media outlets from Russia is having a chilling effect, with the British media apparently now quietly lobbying the British government against doing it. … It is interesting to see how the British media suddenly discovers free speech also applies to Russian media when its own interests are threatened. …

    the measures Theresa May announced today … are actually counterproductive. The Russians are sure to respond to the British expulsion of Russian diplomats from London by expelling a comparable number of British diplomats from Moscow. Since Russia is by far the more powerful country, it is the British who need to maintain a strong diplomatic presence in Moscow to retain relevance. … Russia … has no need to maintain a strong diplomatic presence in Britain … The reciprocal expulsions … will … further marginalise the British in international diplomacy.

    The same is true of the British decision to sever bilateral contacts with Russia. … there have in fact been barely any bilateral contacts between the Russian and British governments for years … again Britain as the weaker country which needs these contacts in order to retain relevance … As for Boris Johnson … how he hopes to cut an important figure in international diplomacy when he is now prevented from visiting Moscow – the capital of one of the world’s Great Powers – by his own government, completely escapes me. The reality is that no one takes him seriously anyway. The reciprocal expulsions of diplomats will of course also make it more difficult for the British to maintain their intelligence operation in Moscow. Since this appears to be rather extensive, and seems to involve far more ‘democracy promotion’ activity (ie. meddling in Russian domestic politics) than anything the Russians do in Britain, the Russians will probably also be quietly pleased about it. … there have been media reports that the British intelligence community actually lobbied against large scale expulsions. …

    As for the non-attendance of British government ministers and members of the Royal Family at the World Cup, I doubt anyone would have noticed … I doubt anyone else will care much either.

    As for the threat to seize Russian state assets in Britain “where there is evidence they may be used to threaten the life or property of UK nationals or residents” that may sound ominous, but note that no actual seizures of Russian state assets were announced, and given that such seizures would almost certainly be contrary to international law and would undoubtedly provoke retaliatory action from Russia, I doubt they will happen. …
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    This article is quite informative: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...s-british-soil
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    It’s obviously dangerous for opponents of Vladimir Putin and Rothschild to reside in Britain…

    Ten days after former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter were found poisoned, another Russian in exile, Nikolai Glushkov, was found death.
    The circumstances of his death are still unexplained, but it’s “investigated” by London’s counterterrorism police.

    Nikolai Glushkov had been a close associate and friend of Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky, who was found hanged in his London home in 2013. An inquest failed to determine whether Berezovsky had killed himself or died from foul play.
    In the 1990s, Glushkov worked for Berezovsky’s LogoVAZ car company and the state airline Aeroflot. In 1999, when Berezovsky fled to the UK, Glushkov was charged with money-laundering and fraud. He spent 5 years in Russian prison and was freed in 2004 (before fleeing to Britain).
    In 2017, Glushkov was sentenced in absentia in Russia to another 8 years in prison for stealing $123 million from Aeroflot.

    Berezovsky accused Nat Rothschild’s associate Roman Abramovich of cheating him out of $5 billion in the 1990s in their partnership in oil firm Sibneft. Abramovich denied and won the court case.
    In 2011, Glushkov gave evidence at the court case brought by Berezovsky against Abramovich. Abramovich remained on good terms with the Kremlin and Rothschild.

    Glushkov didn’t believe that Boris Berezovsky had killed himself and continued to investigate.
    He noted that many Russian émigrés had died under suspicious circumstances, including Berezovsky’s close friend Alexander Litvinenko (another Russian spy): http://www.scmp.com/news/world/europ...teriously-dead
    (archived here: http://archive.is/RhDKa)

    See from left to right Glushkov, Berezovsky and Patarkatsishivilli (who also died).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    It’s obviously dangerous for opponents of Vladimir Putin and Rothschild to reside in Britain…
    these go together nicely! Good stuff.

    Impossible to believe this wasn't an inside job to plug the russophobic trainride. All aboard.

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    UK REFUSES TO SHARE SKRIPAL CASE FACTS, SUBSTANCE SAMPLES WITH MOSCOW - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY

    RUSSIA URGES LONDON TO SHARE ALL INFO IT HAS REGARDING USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN UK TERRITORY - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY

    UN SECURITY COUNCIL REFUSAL TO SUPPORT RUSSIA'S PROPOSAL TO INVESTIGATE SKRIPAL CASE USING MECHANISMS OF OPCW CONVENTION INDICATES PLOT OF U.S., UK AND FRANCE TO BLOCK FAIR INVESTIGATION - LUGOVOI

    U.S. SUPPORT OF UK ON SKRIPAL CASE IS IDEOLOGICAL IN NATURE AND HAS NO RELATION TO INVESTIGATION - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY

    U.S. SOLIDARITY WITH UK ON SKRIPAL CASE IS MANIFESTATION OF RUSSOPHOBIA - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY

    RUSSIA HAS EVERY RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN SKRIPAL POISONING PROBE BECAUSE HIS DAUGHTER, WHO IS RUSSIAN CITIZEN, WAS ALSO AFFECTED - ANDREI LUGOVOI

    RUSSIAN INVESTIGATIVE AGENCIES FULLY ENTITLED TO OPEN CRIMINAL CASE, AND, BEING PARTICIPANTS IN PROCEEDING, MUST HAVE ACCESS TO VICTIM: SKRIPAL'S DAUGHTER, WHO IS RUSSIAN CITIZEN - LUGOVOI


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    georgegalloway
    IF only Russia had access to Novichok WHY would they choose that weapon to mount a terrorist attack in England?
    Might as well leave a pair of snow covered boots at the scene of the crime and scrawl Vlad woz Here on the nearest wall! THINK!


    NeilClark66
    The UK NeoCon Establishment seem to be in blind panic tonight that people are having the temerity to ask to see the proof that Russia was responsible for the Salisbury poisonings.
    They expected us to all tamely fall into line. But we haven’t forgotten about those Iraqi WMDs....


    Johnludds
    How morally bankrupt has British politics become when one of them speaks you automatically believe the opposite......
    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-15-2018 at 07:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There are no Russian defectors anywhere but Britain?
    Of course there are. . . but only Britain, it seems, has taken to killing defectors to try to frame Russia for it

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    former UK Ambassador, Craig Murray, speaks out...


    The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...raqi-wmd-scam/


    To summarize:

    1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”.
    The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.

    2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.

    3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.

    4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench.
    The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.

    5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.

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    Conflict News- @Conflicts
    BREAKING: France to take action over former spy poisoning in coming days: Macron - @AFP

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    Sky News Breaking
    Russian state news agency RIA is reporting Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov will soon expel British diplomats in response to the expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats by the UK

    Moscow will ‘definitely’ expel British diplomats in wake of UK’s reaction to Skripal case – Lavrov
    https://www.rt.com/news/421371-lavro..._notifications

    PESKOV: RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY, OTHER AGENCIES TO SUGGEST RESPONSE TO LONDON, PUTIN TO MAKE FINAL DECISION

    PESKOV: PUTIN TO SELECT BEST WAY TO RESPOND TO LONDON THAT IS IN LINE WITH RUSSIA'S INTERESTS

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    Doug Bell
    All requests from Moscow for access to the alleged Skripal Case poison have been refused by London.
    Such a refusal is a violation of the Covention of Chemical Weapons Treaty, which mandates joint inspection. ~ Finian Cunningham


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    Sky News Breaking
    Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson says soldiers will be vaccinated against anthrax and £48m will be invested into a new chemical weapons defence centre at Porton Down in response to nerve agent attack in Salisbury.

    BBC News (UK) @BBCNews
    "Frankly Russia should go away, it should shut up" - UK Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson asked about Russia's response to its diplomats being expelled.
    (lolz)

    Defense secretary’s reaction shows UK is worrying, has something to hide – Moscow
    https://www.rt.com/news/421388-uk-wo...nse-secretary/


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    301457a
    Replying to medialens jeremycorbyn
    There is a greater burden of proof required if you are caught nicking fruit from Sainsbury’s
    than there is if you are accusing a nuclear armed state of a chemical attack.



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    Zerohedge
    GERMANY, FRANCE, U.S. CALL ON RUSSIA TO EXPLAIN U.K. ATTACK

    Skripal poisoning is 1st offensive use of nerve agent in Europe since WWII – UK, France, Germany, US
    https://www.rt.com/news/421396-nerve...e-use-skripal/

    Asharq Al-Awsat
    Breaking| leaders of France, Germany, US and UK say in joint statement Salisbury attack threatens the security of us all.

    Leaders of France, Germany, the US and UK have issued a joint statement on the nerve agent attack in the UK
    Russian responsibility was the "only plausible explanation".
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43415271

    statement -

    We, the leaders of France, Germany, the United States and the United Kingdom, abhor the attack that took place against Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, UK, on 4 March 2018. A British police officer who was also exposed in the attack remains seriously ill, and the lives of many innocent British citizens have been threatened. We express our sympathies to them all, and our admiration for the UK police and emergency services for their courageous response.

    This use of a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, constitutes the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the second world war. It is an assault on UK sovereignty and any such use by a state party is a clear violation of the chemical weapons convention and a breach of international law. It threatens the security of us all.

    The United Kingdom briefed thoroughly its allies that it was highly likely that Russia was responsible for the attack. We share the UK assessment that there is no plausible alternative explanation, and note that Russia’s failure to address the legitimate request by the UK government further underlines its responsibility. We call on Russia to address all questions related to the attack in Salisbury. Russia should in particular provide full and complete disclosure of the Novichok programme to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

    Our concerns are also heightened against the background of a pattern of earlier irresponsible Russian behaviour. We call on Russia to live up to its responsibilities as a member of the UN Security Council to uphold international peace and security.

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    If you speak against immigrants you're racist, if you speak against establishment you're Russian agent.

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    EndGameWW3
    Russia calls British PM's allegations over poisoning 'insane' - Rooters
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    Polonium anyone? It's really quite jolly this time of year.

    See how funny the blame game becomes? "It's Russia!" "No, it's MI5!" "No it's Gayni**ers from outerspace!"

    Government is so mistrusted, it no longer matter who did it.

    For those not familiar with that last reference...

    Last edited by osan; 03-15-2018 at 09:30 AM.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    Pray for reset.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post


    The article's conclusion is quite telling:

    "The one notable similarity shared by the very different individuals in this this foursome of exposed spies is that they all held an irrational belief in the reliability of the British justice and banking systems, other institutions, and intelligence services. None of them seemed to fully appreciate the simple fact that they would only be treated as true gentlemen as long as they served British interests.

    Once they began to represent even a potential threat to Britain’s ongoing political operations or once their current value dropped below a certain threshold, they were easily sacrificed to fulfill their final, “last, but not least” task – to serve as a log to be added to fuel the flames of Russophobia in their new and very temporary homeland. ..."
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    and here we go....


    Britain vows to respond ‘robustly’ if evidence emerges implying Russia was behind ex-spy's illness
    https://www.rt.com/uk/420602-uk-russian-double-agent/



    Russian Market-@russian_market
    UK COULD PULL OUT OF World Cup IN RUSSIA - BORIS JOHNSON


    "Our values, our lives, and our freedoms"

    Coming from a limey, that is about as rich as it gets.

    Next time someone threatens the UK with annihilation, America needs to step back and let it happen. I can think of no other nation on the planet quite as repulsive and criminal. Even the Spanish and French took distant back seats to the British for pure criminality as a subspecies of humanity. They are the worst of the worst.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    Pray for reset.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    I have to agree. 'Revenge' would hardly be worth the bad press... not worth it.
    Must agree. Hot wars have started for less.

    This is the sort of ham-fistedness I would expect from the British, the biggest, most rank douches on the planet in terms of criminality in governance. Of course, the Russians have not been the sharpest drawers in the knife either... particularly in Soviet attire.

    Who can really say who is responsible? Nobody is worthy of the least trust, leaving the field of possibility wide open for speculation. For all we know, a drycleaner in Cheapside London might have done it, pissed off about the cost of his telly license going up. "Bligh me mate... Ah'll shown them buggers what it means to screw me ovah... Twenty quid for telly?! It's criminal! CRIMINAL!!, Ai say!"

    Pray for reset.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    Pray for reset.


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    CHOREOGRAPHED & TIMED methodical, deliberate




    Trump puts another log on the fire.


    ‘Looks like Russians were behind spy poisoning’ - Trump
    https://www.rt.com/usa/421423-skripa...-trump-blames/


    The Associated Press
    BREAKING: Trump administration accuses Russia of ongoing, deliberate operation to penetrate US energy grid.

    Lee Saks
    SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: RUSSIAN ENTITIES INFILTRATED PARTS OF U.S. ENERGY SECTOR, WERE REMOVED: RTRS

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    West uses Skripal case to prepare public opinion for use of military force against Russia - Kosachyov

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    EndGameWW3
    Defense Secretary Mattis: Russia is incompetent and committing illegal acts in Syria







    This people are just unbelievable.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-15-2018 at 10:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Impossible to believe this wasn't an inside job to plug the russophobic trainride. All aboard.
    Maybe they are trying to orchestrate another "Cold War". Behind the scenes Putin, Trump all bow down to the British Monarchy, so don't expect RT to expose what's happening...
    I've found a good overview that details some of the most important events in this "media hysteria"...

    Britain immediately accused Russia, while Russia vehemently denied and said it was all British “propaganda”. Moscow demands evidence, including access to samples of the nerve agent “Novichok” (that was reportedly used for the poisoning).
    UK Ambassador Peter Wilson addressed the OPCW in The Hague, the Netherlands:
    This horrendous incident is now the subject of a UK criminal investigation, and we have legal obligations as a result to ensure that we share our information only in accordance with the law.
    Spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova said:
    Undoubtedly, this is a political and propagandist show, which was started by the British prime minister and probably other representatives of special services and government. We don't know who was behind this but the prime minister was the face of this campaign which has been built on a rude provocation. We have witnessed many similar situations in recent history, but the way it was done this time, so rude and so obvious that it was all pieced together to attack Russia again.
    Nebenzia said they were given a 24-hour ultimatum, but
    We are ready to cooperate with the British government.
    Britain kicked out 23 Russian diplomats after Russia didn’t give a good explanation for this attack.
    Thousands of British soldiers will be vaccinated against anthrax poisoning.
    Britain will invest £48 million to create a “cutting edge” Chemical Weapons Defence Centre at Porton Down, Wiltshire.

    UN Ambassador Nikki Haley said the US believes Russia is responsible for the attack because Britain says so:
    When our friends in Great Britain face a challenge, the US will always be there for them. Always.
    Nikki Haley has also threatened to bomb Syria by the way…
    Other European countries condemned the attack with a nerve agent in strong words and showed their support for Britain and call for Russia to co-operate with the “investigation”.

    In one of those strange coincidences the Prince of Wales Charles, patron of the intelligence services, already had planned a private visit to MI5.
    Bullingdon boy Boris Johnson says the international community stands with Britain: https://news.sky.com/story/live-spy-poison-deadline-passes-as-russia-threatens-response-11289189


    New US sanctions against Russia have already been announced (bizarrely over interfering in the 2016 elections): https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...eddling-465475
    Last edited by Firestarter; 03-15-2018 at 11:14 AM. Reason: Added info US sanctions on Russia
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    Google and Yahoo wouldn’t block them without a very good reason: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...he-world/page2

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    UK Looks To Ditch Russian Gas After Spy Scandal

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Looks-To-Ditch-Russian-Gas-After-Spy-Scandal.html
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Was Russian Spy Poisoned To Avert Brexit?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-15/was-russian-spy-poisoned-avert-brexit
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Haley: World Must Punish Russia or They’ll Chemical Attack New York City Next
    https://russia-insider.com/en/haley-...medium=twitter

    Nikki Haley prefers murders by drone assassinations, rain of death of by bombs, or mass genocide by supplying totalitarian Saudi regime with the WMDs to complete it. But those preferred Washington, Inc. "fun style" murders just don't allow for the secondary delight of falsely blaming Russia.
    So expect the next false flag extermination, with a convenient made in Russia tag attached, of someone the deep state no longer has use for to be in NYC.

    Nikki and Washington Inc.:
    Drone assassinations - stand up and clap
    Torture - whoo hoo, cheer , cheer, put the torturer in charge of the CIA
    Genocide of Yemen - let's provide the weapons
    False flags - we're entitled to do it and proud
    Election interference -noone does color revolutions, regime changes or election meddling better than US!
    poison of MI6 asset former double agent in bed with Steele, and of no more use for the UK regime - Conveniently Convict First, produce no evidence, ignore all evidence contradicting the preordained conviction
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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