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    The primary cause of the west's demographic problem is kleptocracy

    Researchers at Purdue University recently studied data culled from across the globe and found that “happiness” doesn’t rise indefinitely with income. In fact, there were cut-off points at which more annual income had a negative effect on overall life satisfaction.
    So, what’s that number? In the U.S., $65,000 was found to be the optimal income for “feeling” happy.
    While the media jumped on the headline, given median national incomes are closing in on $60,000, they should have actually read the rest of the study.
    The income figure is per individual.
    So to calculate the required income number for “happiness” you must multiply that number by the square root of the household size. So, what’s the number for a couple, or a family of three or four?

    • $65,000 x √2 = $92,000/year
    • $65,000 x √3 = $112,000/year
    • $65,000 x √4 = $130,000/year

    That is an entirely different message from what most have been led to believe. An income of $130,000/year is far above the average incomes from most Americans currently and ability to maintain the basic lifestyle is becoming ever more problematic.
    In the U.S., despite higher levels of low income (now there’s an oxymoron), inflation-adjusted median incomes have remained virtually stagnant since 1998.

    However, the chart above is grossly misleading because the income gains have only occurred in the Top 20% of income earners. For the bottom 80%, they are well short of the incomes needed to obtain “happiness.”

    For most American “families”, who have to balance their living standards to their income, the “experience” of “happiness” is more of a function of “meeting obligations” each and every month.
    Today, more than ever, the walk to the end of the driveway has become a dreaded thing as bills loom large in the dark crevices of the mailbox. If they can meet those obligations, they are “happy.” If not, not so much.
    The Financial Crisis Mindset

    In my opinion, what the study failed to capture was the “change” in what was required to achieve “perceived” happiness following the “financial crisis.”
    Just as with “The Great Depression,” individuals forever altered their feelings about banks, saving and investing after an entire generation had lost “everything.” It is the same today as sluggish wage growth has failed to keep up with the cost of living which has forced an entire generation into debt just to make ends meet.
    As the chart below shows, while savings spiked during the financial crisis, the rising cost of living for the bottom 80% has outpaced the median level of “disposable income” for that same group. As a consequence, the inability to “save” has continued.

    So, if we assume a “family of four” needs an income of $132,000 a year to be “happy,” such becomes problematic for the bottom 80% of the population whose wage growth falls far short of what is required to support the standard of living, much less to obtain “happiness.”
    The “gap” between the “standard of living” and real disposable incomes is more clearly shown below. Beginning in 1990, incomes alone were no longer able to meet the standard of living so consumers turned to debt to fill the “gap.”
    However, following the “financial crisis,” even the combined levels of income and debt no longer fill the gap. Currently, there is almost a $7000 annual deficit that cannot be filled.

    The mirage of consumer wealth has been a function of surging debt levels which was accumulated during the credit boom. The problem is the debt simply can’t be disposed of through ordinary means.

    • Many can’t sell their house because they can’t qualify to buy a new one
    • The cost to rent is now higher than current mortgage payments in many places
    • There is no ability to substantially increase disposable incomes because of deflationary wage pressures; and,
    • Despite the mainstream spin on recent statistical economic improvements, the burdens on average American families are increasing namely in the things they can’t control health care, energy, and housing.

    Nothing brought this to light more than the recent release of the Fed’s Report on “The Economic Well-Being Of U.S. Households.” The overarching problem can be summed up in one chart:

    This isn’t just about the “baby boomers,” either.
    Millennials are haunted by the same problems, with 40%-ish unemployed, or underemployed, and living back home with parents. In turn, parents are now part of the “sandwich generation” that are caught between taking care of kids and elderly parents. The rise in medical costs and health care goes unabated consuming more of their incomes.
    More importantly, despite economic reports of rising employment, low jobless claims, surging corporate profitability and continuing economic expansion, the percentage of government transfer payments (social benefits) as compared to disposable incomes have surged to the highest level on record.

    More Money

    Of course, by just looking at household net worth, once again you would not really suspect a problem existed. In the Fed’s latest Flow of Funds report, the Fed revealed households currently held $112.4 trillion in assets with just a modest $15.4 trillion in liabilities, which brought the net worth of the average US household to a new all-time high of $96.9 trillion. The majority of the increase over the last several years has come from increasing real estate values and the rise in various stock-market linked financial assets like corporate equities, mutual and pension funds.

    However, once again, the headlines are deceiving even if we just slightly scratch the surface. Given the breakdown of wealth across America we once again find that virtually all of the net worth, and the associated increase thereof, has only benefited a handful of the wealthiest Americans.
    Despite the mainstream media’s belief that surging asset prices, driven by the Federal Reserve’s monetary interventions, has provided a boost to the overall economy, it has really been anything but. Given the bulk of the population either does not, or only marginally, participates in the financial markets, the “boost” has remained concentrated in the upper 10%. The Federal Reserve study breaks the data down in several ways, but the story remains the same – “if you are wealthylife is good.”

    The illusion by many of ratios of “economic prosperity,” such as debt-to-income ratios, wages, assets, etc., is they are heavily skewed to the upside by the top 20%. Such masks the majority of Americans who have an inability to increase their standard of living.
    While the ongoing interventions by the Federal Reserve have certainly boosted asset prices higher, the only real accomplishment has been a widening of the wealth gap between the top 10% of individuals that have dollars invested in the financial markets and everyone else. What monetary interventions have failed to accomplish is an increase in production to foster higher levels of economic activity.
    Of course, when couples are stressed financially, they also become stressed “sexually.”
    Less Sex

    Not surprisingly, the “financial stress” in American households is leading to other factors which are fueling the “demographic” problem in the future. The equation is very simple – when individuals are stressed over finances they are less active sexually.
    This was shown in a recent study by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Ahead of the past three US recessions, the number of conceptions began to fall at least six months before the economy started to contract. As the FT notes, while previous research has shown how birth rates track economic cycles, the scientific study is the first to show that fertility declines are a leading indicator of recessions.
    Daniel Hungerman, economics professor at the University of Notre Dame and one of the report’s authors, said
    “It is ‘striking’ that the drop in pregnancies was evident before the recession that came after the 2007 financial crisis, since it has traditionally been argued that this slump had been hard to predict.”
    The analysis used data on the 109 million births in the US between 1989-2016 to examine how fertility rates changed through the last three economic cycles — in the early 1990’s, the early 2000’s, and the late 2000’s. A similar pattern emerged in all three cases.
    In other words, less sex with the intent to procreate.
    “One way to think about this is that the decision to have a child often reflects one’s level of optimism about the future,” says Kasey Buckles, another Notre-Dame professor and co-author of the study. Research published through the NBER is often conducted by academics at their own universities.
    To the researchers’ surprise, they found that falls in conceptions were a far better leading indicator of recessions than many commonly used indicators such as consumer confidence, measures of uncertainty, and purchases of big-ticket items such as washing machines and cars.

    Of course, this decline in fertility, fuels one of the primary problems facing the U.S. over the next 30-years – the decline in the ratio of workers per retiree or “demographics.” As retirees are living longer (increasing the relative number of retirees), and lower birth rates (decreasing the relative number of workers.)the “support ratio” is falling sharply.

    The problem for American families today, despite media commentary to the contrary, is simply the inability to maintain their current standard of living. When incomes remain stagnant, or falls, due to job loss or reduction in pay, the impact on the budget at home is significant when there are already very low saving rates and the inability to access a tight credit market. The recent surge in consumer debt, with little relative increase in overall personal consumption expenditures, shows this to be the case. For Main Street, the economy remains mired at sub-par growth rates ten-years into a post-recessionary environment.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...oney-happiness
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    Just two months of stress may damage a man's sperm and slash his chances of having children, a new study suggests.
    Israeli scientists found men are 47 per cent more likely to have swimmers with weak motility if they are under intense pressure.
    Weak motility – known to be affected by lifestyle choices - makes it less likely that the sperm will successfully fertilise an egg.
    The findings were derived from 11,000 sperm samples, including those of adults exposed to 'regular rocket warning sirens' in the Gaza Strip.


    Researchers at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and Soroka University Medical Center in Beer-Sheva led the study.
    They analysed 10,535 sperm samples donated by men during periods in Israel deemed ‘unstressful’ between 2009 and 2017.
    These were then compared to 659 samples from men take up to two months after fierce military battles between Israel and Gaza.


    The men had an average age of 32, which, according to figures, is the average age for first time fathers in the UK.
    Even though the findings related to just those living in conflict zones, the researchers argued they could apply to any mental stress.
    Dr Eliahu Levitas, study author, said: ‘This study shows that prolonged stress can have an effect on sperm quality.
    ‘Mental stress is known to have an adverse effect on fertility, but there is little research on the impact of stress on sperm quality.’

    More at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ans-sperm.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just two months of stress may damage a man's sperm and slash his chances of having children, a new study suggests.
    Israeli scientists found men are 47 per cent more likely to have swimmers with weak motility if they are under intense pressure.
    Weak motility – known to be affected by lifestyle choices - makes it less likely that the sperm will successfully fertilise an egg.
    The findings were derived from 11,000 sperm samples, including those of adults exposed to 'regular rocket warning sirens' in the Gaza Strip.


    Researchers at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and Soroka University Medical Center in Beer-Sheva led the study.
    They analysed 10,535 sperm samples donated by men during periods in Israel deemed ‘unstressful’ between 2009 and 2017.
    These were then compared to 659 samples from men take up to two months after fierce military battles between Israel and Gaza.


    The men had an average age of 32, which, according to figures, is the average age for first time fathers in the UK.
    Even though the findings related to just those living in conflict zones, the researchers argued they could apply to any mental stress.
    Dr Eliahu Levitas, study author, said: ‘This study shows that prolonged stress can have an effect on sperm quality.
    ‘Mental stress is known to have an adverse effect on fertility, but there is little research on the impact of stress on sperm quality.’

    More at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ans-sperm.html

    Hmm, I would have thought the regular rocket warnings would have made the sperm swim faster.
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    They've stolen our future to pay for the wars of the present.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    They've stolen our future to pay for the wars of the present.

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    The following are 15 signs that the middle class in the United States is being systematically destroyed…
    #1 78 million Americans are participating in the “gig economy” because full-time jobs just don’t pay enough to make ends meet these days.
    #2 In 2011, the average home price was 3.56 times the average yearly salary in the United States. But by the time 2017 was finished, the average home price was 4.73 times the average yearly salary in the United States.
    #3 In 1980, the average American worker’s debt was 1.96 times larger than his or her monthly salary. Today, that number has ballooned to 5.00.
    #4 In the United States today, 66 percent of all jobs pay less than 20 dollars an hour.
    #5 102 million working age Americans do not have a job right now. That number is higher than it was at any point during the last recession.
    #6 Earnings for low-skill jobs have stayed very flat for the last 40 years.
    #7 Americans have been spending more money than they make for 28 months in a row.
    #8 In the United States today, the average young adult with student loan debt has a negative net worth.
    #9 At this point, the average American household is nearly $140,000 in debt.
    #10 Poverty rates in U.S. suburbs “have increased by 50 percent since 1990”.
    #11 Almost 51 million U.S. households “can’t afford basics like rent and food”.
    #12 The bottom 40 percent of all U.S. households bring home just 11.4 percent of all income.
    #13 According to the Federal Reserve, 4 out of 10 Americans do not have enough money to cover an unexpected $400 expense without borrowing the money or selling something they own.
    #14 22 percent of all Americans cannot pay all of their bills in a typical month.
    #15 Today, U.S. households are collectively 13.15 trillion dollars in debt. That is a new all-time record.
    When you think of “poverty in America”, you probably think of our blighted inner cities, but that is not where poverty is growing the fastest.
    According to author Scott Allard, it is actually our suburbs where poverty is growing more rapidly than anywhere else…
    According to a May report from the Pew Research Center, since 2000, suburban counties have experienced sharper increases in poverty than urban or rural counties.
    This is consistent with research across the U.S. over the past decade – as well as my own book, “Places in Need.”
    This is why tens of millions of square feet of retail space is being closed down and why formerly great shopping malls all over America now resemble ghost towns.
    When I was growing up, the shopping mall was the place to be for average middle class kids. My family was middle class and virtually everyone that I knew was middle class. In fact, I don’t remember any really wealthy or really poor kids in my school at all.
    But today most families have little to no financial cushion and are deep in debt. As a result, discretionary income has really dried up and that means less shopping.
    So we are on pace for the worst year for store closings in American history, and yet the mainstream media keeps telling us that the economy is in “good shape”.
    That is a load of nonsense. The numbers don’t lie, and the U.S. economy is never going to be in “good shape” until the middle class starts growing again.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ally-destroyed
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    Young adults list the high expense of child care as a top reason for having fewer kids, according a New York Times poll released Thursday.
    Fertility rates in the U.S. are at a record low for the second year in a row, according to data released earlier this year, with the Times' new poll shedding light on some of the major reasons behind the drop.
    While 64 percent of the poll’s respondents said they are having fewer children because “child care is too expensive,” roughly half, 49 percent, said they are “worried about the economy,” 43 percent said they “waited because of financial instability” and 39 percent cited “no paid family leave.”


    The decline in U.S. fertility rates began with the Great Recession in 2008 and has continued steadily for the past decade, baffling those who assumed the rate would pick back up when the economy recovered, the Times noted.
    The number of births for every 1,000 women of childbearing age was 60.2 last year, a rate that is similar to other industrialized nations but the lowest the U.S. has ever seen.
    Among respondents who said they did not plan to have children, around a quarter, 23 percent, cited the economy as a deterrent, while 24 percent said they couldn't afford a house. Other major factors surveyed were personal in nature, such as the desire for more leisure time or not having found a partner.

    More at: http://thehill.com/homenews/news/395...r-having-fewer
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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Two things stood out in the December jobs report: first, the magnitude of the monthly increase in payrolls, which at 312K was the highest in 10 months and second, the stark increase in annual wage growth.As Reuters Jeoff Hall notes, 12 of the 15 major industry sectors (4 in goods-producing, 11 in service-providing) have 12-month growth rates in avg hourly earnings that exceed the Fed's 2.0% inflation target (with exceptions being Transportation & Warehousing (+0.7%), Nondurable Gds Mfg (+0.9%), Other Services at +1.8%).
    However, reading between the lines reveals another somewhat unpleasant signal and may explain the impressive wage growth: the bulk of jobs in December went to aged workers, those 55 and older, who increased by 183K (according to the Household Survey). Meanwhile, the prime age group, those aged 25-54, actually declined by 11K in December. And since it was the younger age cohorts that saw virtually no job growth in December - i.e., those workers who have the least wage negotiating leverage - it explains the impressive wage growth, but it is also a potentially troubling indicator as it confirms that employers are primarily focusing on hiring those workers who already have experience, instead of permitting younger entrants to join the labor force.

    How does the data look on an annual basis, from December 2017 to December 2018: a little better, with the biggest age cohort, those 25-54 rising by 1.3 million, but it was once again the oldest workers, those 55 and older that have seen the bulk of job gains in the past year, confirming that younger Americans are having an increasingly harder time to find jobs when they are, well, competing with their parents, who have been unable to retire as a result of ten years of ZIRP which in turn crushed savings for an entire generation of (elderly) Americans, forcing them to stay in the job market well beyond their retirement age.




    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-jobs-december
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    The U.S. economy is booming, right?
    Republicans think President Trump deserves much of the credit for cutting business and individual tax rates combined with a deregulation agenda. And Democrats believe former President Obama deserves ownership for America’s recovery. Regardless of who gets credit, HowMuch.net's newest visualization of net compensation levels for American workers demonstrates that the economy is indeed delivering, but not for as many people as the headlines would have you believe...



    The Social Security Administration (SSA) tracks net income numbers after taxes through the Average Wage Index (AWI). We broke the AWI into a three-part hierarchy of $5K increments, letting you easily see the reality of income inequality in the U.S.. Astonishingly, 13% of workers make less than $5K, and nearly half, or 48%, take home $31,561 or less in net compensation (the dark red on our visual). If your mind isn’t spinning yet, consider the fact that these numbers are all after a multi-year economic recovery. The U.S. is allegedly at or near full employment but wages are barely growing, meaning these numbers are probably the best case scenario. Imagine what a recession would do to worker paychecks.
    There is one important caveat to keep in mind when thinking about our dataset. The SSA numbers include any wage earners whatsoever, even part-time workers like students and teenagers. If the worker reports his or her income to the IRS on a W2 form, he or she is included in these stats. This drags down the aggregate wage numbers for full-time working adults, which reach $61,372 for households last year.
    All that being said, the picture is still depressing. 1.4% of workers make between $250K - 50M, and another 8.2% bring home between $100K - 250K. Remember, these numbers reflect individual earners, meaning they don’t take into account household earnings. We mention this only because wealthy people tend to get married at higher rates than poor people. In other words, wage earners at the top of the income ladder are probably much wealthier than even these numbers would suggest since their spouses are generally highly educated and well-compensated too.
    The visualization makes it plain to see that most people take home very little money from their jobs. The federal poverty level for a family of 4 is $25,100, which officials believe is the bare minimum needed to purchase subsistence food, clothing and shelter. To put this another way, the visualization indicates that enormous chunks of the workforce make a substandard wage, putting them at extreme risks if unpredictable financial problems occur.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...arn-less-30000
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Same $#@! different day. For a few to be rich, many must be poor.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Same $#@! different day. For a few to be rich, many must be poor.
    That's not entirely true but this is about power and power IS relative, the last few generations of oligarchs have been so power mad that they are pushing our society and the whole world to the breaking point in order to achieve obscene levels of relative wealth and power.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's not entirely true but this is about power and power IS relative, the last few generations of oligarchs have been so power mad that they are pushing our society and the whole world to the breaking point in order to achieve obscene levels of relative wealth and power.
    Fully agreed.

    If they had to earn their money the way we do, they'd never get off the ground. The foundation of their wealth truly is Belief Money and Violence. Belief comes into play when they persuade others of lesser intelligence that there is nothing inherently Dishonest about either Fiat Currency or Fractional Reserve Systems, which is why they utterly despise the Gold Standard. Once they have influenced Belief / Perceptions by confusing the differences between Money and Currency, they now have control of both Belief and Money. With both Belief and Money, they gather Enforcers of Violence to do their bidding. They control those enforcers by enticing with Money, which at the same time creates a Fear of Loss of that same manipulative Money (really currency at this point), causing those Enforcers to betray their own morals out of desperation and dependency. They end up with a Monopoly on all three Foundations.

    Honest Money, not currency, frees the ordinary man, the man that does not understand the nature of Coin and Credit, from the clutches of the Money Manipulators, who are also Liars, and the most Violent in existence. Is it the soldier that is responsible for obeying the order to kill millions, or is it the person that issued the order? Many of those same men are hopelessly dependent on the issuers of that money which now controls their Obedience. The Elite are the Murderers of most of the worst atrocities carried out throughout history. It has been said that ALL WARS ARE BANKER WARS. So what happens when those same elite pit two countries against each other, in order to enslave their elected representatives to their bidding? They create an enemy, and those harmed by those manufactured enemies, desperate to secure funding for their wars turn to the Elite.

    Thus, its not just the West's Demographic problem, but nearly every Humanitarian Crisis on the PLANET and throughout history has been caused by the Kleptocracy, who now desires TOTAL control by conversion to a Technocracy. Education, Media, even Churches are influenced by the power of their money. Stupidity is their most powerful weapon against the masses. By keeping people stupid, they are much more influenced, and can be easily convinced to believe absurdities, such as Fiat Currency is Money, and thus, manipulated to commit atrocities.

    NOTE: I am out of Rep at the moment too.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Same $#@! different day. For a few to be rich, many must be poor.
    Man is naturally born into a state of abject poverty. The question is not why are some people poor - the question is why are some people rich?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's not entirely true but this is about power and power IS relative, the last few generations of oligarchs have been so power mad that they are pushing our society and the whole world to the breaking point in order to achieve obscene levels of relative wealth and power.
    truism... +rep

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