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    We should be more like Sweden.....

    Meanwhile, in Sweden, where owning a gun is a privilege not a right, a country we are told by liberals we should emulate.....

    Hand Grenades and Gang Violence Rattle Sweden’s Middle Class

    STOCKHOLM — In the Stockholm suburb of Varby Gard, it was not unusual to see the figure of a 63-year-old man pedaling a bicycle home after the end of his shift as an aide for disabled adults, hunched against the icy wind of a Swedish winter.

    Daniel Cuevas Zuniga had just finished a night shift on a Sunday last month, and was cycling home with his wife, when he spotted a spherical object lying on the ground, stopped and reached down to take it in his hand.

    It was an M-75 hand grenade. Manufactured in great numbers for the Yugoslav national army, and then seized by paramilitaries during the civil war in the 1990s, the grenades are packed with plastic explosives and 3,000 steel balls, well suited for attacks on enemy trenches and bunkers. When Mr. Zuniga touched it, he set off the detonator.
    Weapons from a faraway, long-ago war are flowing into immigrant neighborhoods here, puncturing Swedes’ sense of confidence and security. The country’s murder rate remains low, by American standards, and violent crime is stable or dropping in many places. But gang-related assaults and shootings are becoming more frequent, and the number of neighborhoods categorized by the police as “marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity” is rising. Crime and immigration are certain to be key issues in September’s general election, alongside the traditional debates over education and health care.
    Part of the reason is that Sweden’s gang violence, long contained within low-income suburbs, has begun to spill out. In large cities, hospitals report armed confrontations in emergency rooms, and school administrators say threats and weapons have become commonplace. Last week two men from Uppsala, both in their 20s, were arrested on charges of throwing grenades at the home of a bank employee who investigates fraud cases.

    An earlier jolt came with the death of Mr. Zuniga, who on Jan. 7 picked up the grenade, which the police believe had been thrown by members of a local gang targeting a rival gang or police officers.
    Illegal weapons often enter Sweden over the Oresund Bridge, a 10-mile span that links the southern city of Malmo to Denmark. When it opened, in 2000, the bridge symbolized the unfurling of a vibrant, borderless Europe, but in recent years it has been more closely associated with smuggling, of people, weapons and drugs.
    Last year, Peter Springare, 61, a veteran police officer in Orebro, published a furious Facebook post saying violent crimes he was investigating were committed by immigrants from “Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown country, unknown country, Sweden.” It was shared more than 20,000 times; Mr. Springare has since been investigated twice by state prosecutors, once for inciting racial hatred, though neither resulted in charges.
    Affixed to the wall in Mr. Appelgren’s office in Stockholm’s Police Headquarters is a chart showing the increase in the use of hand grenades. Until 2014 there were about a handful every year. In 2015, that number leapt: 45 grenades were seized by the police, and 10 others were detonated. The next year, 55 were seized and 35 detonated. A modest decrease occurred in 2017, when 39 were seized and 21 were detonated.

    Mr. Appelgren has watched the trend apprehensively, calling it an arms race among gangs.

    “I think we’re going to see, if we don’t stop it, more drive-by shootings with Kalashnikovs and hand grenades,” he said. “They throw rocks and bottles at our cars, and they trick us in an ambush. When will it happen that they ambush us with Kalashnikovs? It’s coming.”
    In Sweden the street price of a hand grenade is 100 kroner, or $12.50.

    “It’s odd,” said Manne Gerell, a lecturer in criminology at Malmo University. “I don’t know of any Western country with a similar use of hand grenades. Our hypothesis is that they are used to send a message. Not so much as a weapon, as a tool for intimidation. You don’t need perfect aim. You are not trying to kill a particular person.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/w...-grenades.html
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    Are you sure that grenade didn't roll out into the street on its own and jump into Mr. Zuniga's hand as he passed by? These magical killing devices do that kind of stuff.

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    Seems like a good price for a grenade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Seems like a good price for a grenade.
    Was thinking the same thing myself...might be enough to turn me into a Swede socialist.

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    https://www.thelocal.se/20180228/why...llegal-weapons

    Gun crime among gangs is of course not unique to Sweden, but why do criminals in the country appear to be turning towards grenades in particular? Joakim Palmkvist, a Malmö-based crime journalist and author who has decades of experience writing about gang violence, thinks the choice was made easy for them by the law.

    "Why use a hand grenade? Well, say you want to scare or injure someone. Option one: you take a gun, threaten them, perhaps shoot them in the leg. Then it's attempted murder or an aggravated weapons crime – the guy you shot sees you and can point you out. On top of that there's a big trail: the empty shells, bullets that can be tied to a specific weapon. Traces on your hands after the shot. You have to get rid of that, clean it and so on. And you're also at risk of being caught committing a serious crime if you're stopped and searched before the incident even happens," he explains to The Local.

    "Option two: you take a hand grenade and throw it at the person's house. It'll be either carelessness endangering the public or perhaps attempted murder. But all of the traces are gone. And who saw you throw the grenade? Before the law was changed, if you were stopped and searched while travelling to the place with one on you, you went down for a lighter crime."

    https://www.thelocal.se/20171130/gov...wedens-streets

    Government plans amnesty to get grenades off Sweden's streets

    The Swedish government wants an amnesty period where grenades can be handed in to the police without punishment in an effort to get the explosives off the country's streets, Dagens Nyheter (DN) reports.

    The hope is that criminals will choose to give up some of the grenades that are in circulation during the proposed three-month amnesty between October 2018 and January 2019.

    "With previous weapons amnesties some thousands of weapons have come in, but we have no experience of this kind (with grenades). This is the first time," Justice Minister Morgan Johansson told DN.

    "This is linked to criminal gangs who in general have increased access to weapons which they use against one another and against the judicial system. We must get these off our streets."

    According to DN there were 27 instances of grenades exploding in Sweden during 2016, compared to 10 in 2015. Swedish PM Stefan Löfven announced earlier this year that he wants the minimum penalty for carrying a hand grenade in the country to be quadrupled.
    https://www.thelocal.se/20170111/swe...s-to-quadruple

    Hand grenades are currently classified as “flammable and explosive products” rather than weapons under Swedish law, meaning negligent use of them carries a maximum punishment of four years in prison.

    In December, the Swedish Government proposed that illicit use of grenades and other explosives should instead be subject to the same penalties handed out for gun and weapon crimes. The law change is expected to come into force in July 2017.
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    Sweden where if a person posts or talk about facts can be investigated by state police for a hate crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    Sweden where if a person posts or talk about facts can be investigated by state police for a hate crime.
    and rape is anything imagined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    and rape is anything imagined.
    But it is also recognized as a cultural pastime for certain new arrivals.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    But it is also recognized as a cultural pastime for certain new arrivals.
    Of course,, unless they are political targets.
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    We should be more like Sweden.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
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