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    Donald Trump, Steel Tariffs, and the Costs of Chaos

    https://www.cfr.org/blog/donald-trum...nd-costs-chaos

    Donald Trump's decision to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum is the most significant set of U.S. import restrictions in nearly half a century. It will have huge consequences for the global trading order.

    Blog Post by Edward Alden

    March 1, 2018


    A worker checks steel wires at a warehouse in Dalian, Liaoning province, China. Reuters.

    When President Nixon announced on August 15, 1971 that the United States would impose a 10 percent across-the-board tariff on imports—the most significant import restrictions since the 1930s—it followed an intense weekend of deliberations among his top officials at Camp David. Nixon’s economic brain trust spent three days carefully hammering out the details of the import restraints, and then signaled to the world that the president was prepared to lift them as soon as U.S. trading partners allowed their currencies to rise. The tariffs were removed four months later after a negotiated agreement.

    When President Trump announced March 1, 2018 that the United States would impose 25 percent tariffs on imported steel and 10 percent tariffs on aluminum—the most significant import restrictions since 1971—it followed a morning of sheer chaos in the White House. The administration had announced the night before that leading steel and aluminum makers were invited to the White House, leading to speculation that new tariffs would be announced. But in the morning White House officials backed off, with the press office saying instead that it would only be a “listening session.” And then, with the cameras rolling and his own staff apparently unprepared, President Trump announced that the tariffs would be unveiled next week and would be kept in place “for a long period of time.”

    It was once said that Britain lost its empire in a fit of absent-mindedness; the United States, it now appears, could lose its own in a fit of Donald Trump’s impulsiveness.

    The precise contours of the new measures are still unknown. The administration may exempt still large suppliers like Canada and Brazil, and may exclude some products, though Trump told industry officials he does not want exemptions. There will be frenetic lobbying between now and the final announcement. And the negative market reaction—the Dow Jones fell about 600 points after the announcement—could stay the president’s hand.

    But the issue is not simply the economic consequences. The president’s announcement yesterday was the clearest and most disturbing sign yet that he is quite prepared to take ill-considered actions that will chip away at the foundations of the global trading system.

    The problems in the steel and aluminum industries are real—global overcapacity caused primarily by Chinese state subsidies to their producers. But the proposed measures are wildly indiscriminate, and will hit many countries, among them the closest U.S. allies and others that have played by the rules of the trading system.

    The new tariffs rely on a provision of law—Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 which allows imports to be blocked on national security grounds—that has not been used successfully in decades. Previous administrations had interpreted the provision narrowly, requiring evidence that the military needs of the Pentagon could not be supplied by U.S. production or by close allies like Canada. Trump’s Commerce Department threw away a half century of precedent in finding that steel imports, including from the most-trusted U.S. allies, had caused “a weakening of our internal economy [that] may impair national security.”

    Under current global trade rules, the United States will get away with it. Article XXI of the World Trade Organization (WTO) agreements states that countries are free to take actions they deem essential to their security interests. But WTO members have been cautious not to abuse that provision, recognizing the obvious danger. Now the United States—a country that has long championed the WTO system—will blow a giant loophole in the rules that other countries will eagerly walk through. China, India, Brazil and others are more than capable of inventing similar national security rationales for restricting imports.

    The most encouraging thing that can be said is that, as the great Yogi Berra once put it, “it ain’t over till it’s over.” The president’s impromptu announcement will generate a huge pushback. The potential losses for the big steel-using manufacturers—including the Big Three auto companies, construction equipment firms like Caterpillar and John Deere and the construction sector more broadly—will have them all beating a path to the White House and Congress.

    Trump’s more conventionally-minded aides, like National Economic Advisor Gary Cohn, may succeed in watering down the measures. The Pentagon has also warned about the “negative impact on our key allies.” Foreign governments, including the European Union and China, have said they will retaliate and target U.S. exporters. EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker called the measure “blatant intervention to protect U.S. domestic industry and not based on any national security justification.” Important Trump allies in Congress are in revolt—Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-UT) called the tariffs “a tax hike the American people don’t need and can’t afford.”

    But even if the measures finally unveiled are more limited, great damage is being done. The United States built the architecture of the global economy in its image. The WTO was largely a U.S. creation. Now Donald Trump, in a fit of impulsiveness, may tear it all down.



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    Burn the WTO to the ground!
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    The sad thing is that so many people are so completely ignorant of the benefit of trade that they imagine that this will somehow turn out well when in reality the costs of everything with aluminum and steel in them will rise (and consider how many things that covers), this will lead to inflation in other sectors to make up costs, how this will lead to a more impoverished society as we have less of those things produced and waste precious labor, money, and resources producing what could have been cheaply and more easily produced abroad. The only people who benefit are American crony corporatists who will face less competition and therefore not have to keep prices lower or produce as high quality products because they have less to fear from a nation that is forced to buy from them. Any benefit you thought you would see from the cut in the corporate tax rate was just destroyed by the raising in tariffs and the resultant raise in costs and loss of production. This is a major wound aimed directly at the heart of the American people in favor of the elites and those businesses which benefit from government connections.

    All of which of course shouldn't be a surprise coming from Il Douche. Fascists have been corpratists who cared more for those in power than the people or liberty since the original Mussolini emerged on teh scene. Cheeto Mussolini is no different. Especially when you look at his desire to seize people's guns and completely ignore the rule of law, human rights, property rights, and restrictions on government power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    The sad thing is that so many people are so completely ignorant of the benefit of trade that they imagine that this will somehow turn out well when in reality the costs of everything with aluminum and steel in them will rise (and consider how many things that covers), this will lead to inflation in other sectors to make up costs, how this will lead to a more impoverished society as we have less of those things produced and waste precious labor, money, and resources producing what could have been cheaply and more easily produced abroad. The only people who benefit are American crony corporatists who will face less competition and therefore not have to keep prices lower or produce as high quality products because they have less to fear from a nation that is forced to buy from them. Any benefit you thought you would see from the cut in the corporate tax rate was just destroyed by the raising in tariffs and the resultant raise in costs and loss of production. This is a major wound aimed directly at the heart of the American people in favor of the elites and those businesses which benefit from government connections.

    All of which of course shouldn't be a surprise coming from Il Douche. Fascists have been corpratists who cared more for those in power than the people or liberty since the original Mussolini emerged on teh scene. Cheeto Mussolini is no different. Especially when you look at his desire to seize people's guns and completely ignore the rule of law, human rights, property rights, and restrictions on government power.
    Tell us more about the wonders of global government comrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Tell us more about the wonders of global government comrade.
    See what I mean? Idiots can't tell the difference between free market capitalism and communism.

    And of course they're too dumb to understand that what they're defending- a central state with power to regulate the economy and determine what can and cannot be brought into the country, how much of it can be, and what the price of it must be- is the foundation of Socialism as it depends on the idea that the government has the authority to regulate the economy and private property, which makes them Socialists for defending it, in this case National Socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    See what I mean? Idiots can't tell the difference between free market capitalism and communism.

    And of course they're too dumb to understand that what they're defending- a central state with power to regulate the economy and determine what can and cannot be brought into the country, how much of it can be, and what the price of it must be- is the foundation of Socialism as it depends on the idea that the government has the authority to regulate the economy and private property, which makes them Socialists for defending it, in this case National Socialists.
    National Socialists? You have outdone yourself.

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    Thus saith The Council...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It's a complex issue.

    For Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve, a US tariff might expose their pyramid scheme, or make it crumble entirely. A tariff must be fought to the death (of the people calling for a tariff). This will be the establishment position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    See what I mean? Idiots can't tell the difference between free market capitalism and communism.

    And of course they're too dumb to understand that what they're defending- a central state with power to regulate the economy and determine what can and cannot be brought into the country, how much of it can be, and what the price of it must be- is the foundation of Socialism as it depends on the idea that the government has the authority to regulate the economy and private property, which makes them Socialists for defending it, in this case National Socialists.
    You are attacking a step in the right direction, currently globalist oligarchs manipulate trade to their advantage, this move decentralizes trade control which is a step closer to your supposed ideal of "free trade", but we know your pattern, you use perfectionism to criticize anyone or anything that moves the world in the right direction while staying silent about those that keep the world where it is or make it worse.

    The fact that tariffs are one of the better forms of taxation to support government's legitimate functions or that they can sometimes be a necessary defense when other countries engage in trade war is another subject but even you SHOULD support this move away from big world government control of trade IF you weren't a troll.
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    It's just steel, it's not like raising the price will have tremendous impact on rest of economy
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    The sad thing is that so many people are so completely ignorant of the benefit of trade that they imagine that this will somehow turn out well when in reality the costs of everything with aluminum and steel in them will rise (and consider how many things that covers), this will lead to inflation in other sectors to make up costs, how this will lead to a more impoverished society as we have less of those things produced and waste precious labor, money, and resources producing what could have been cheaply and more easily produced abroad. The only people who benefit are American crony corporatists who will face less competition and therefore not have to keep prices lower or produce as high quality products because they have less to fear from a nation that is forced to buy from them. Any benefit you thought you would see from the cut in the corporate tax rate was just destroyed by the raising in tariffs and the resultant raise in costs and loss of production. This is a major wound aimed directly at the heart of the American people in favor of the elites and those businesses which benefit from government connections.

    All of which of course shouldn't be a surprise coming from Il Douche. Fascists have been corpratists who cared more for those in power than the people or liberty since the original Mussolini emerged on teh scene. Cheeto Mussolini is no different. Especially when you look at his desire to seize people's guns and completely ignore the rule of law, human rights, property rights, and restrictions on government power.
    Well said

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Thus saith The Council...
    That's why the OP chose to link that particular article, of course (CFR says Trump bad --> Trump must be good).

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Well said



    That's why the OP chose to link that particular article, of course (CFR says Trump bad --> Trump must be good).
    Another globalist chimes in to defend the WTO and the CFR. Who could have guessed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Another globalist chimes in to defend the WTO and the CFR. Who could have guessed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    The enemy of an enemy is not always a friend.
    No, but this is a step in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, but this is a step in the right direction.
    If the direction is to make America poorer then yes, it is a step in the right direction.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    If the direction is to make America poorer then yes, it is a step in the right direction.
    The direction is to free America from globalist world government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The direction is to free America from globalist world government.
    The poor in this country will clamor for any reprieve. How is making economic conditions worse for the average American going to protect or block world government?

    And furthermore, a world government or a government who strives to govern the world?

    The closest thing to a world government is the United States. Further centralizing power into the hands of the United States and its proxy global agencies coupled with making the average ignorant American poorer-- your position is that freedom arises from this?
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    The poor in this country will clamor for any reprieve. How is making economic conditions worse for the average American going to protect or block world government?

    And furthermore, a world government or a government who strives to govern the world?

    The closest thing to a world government is the United States. Further centralizing power into the hands of the United States and its proxy global agencies coupled with making the average ignorant American poorer-- your position is that freedom arises from this?
    The WTO is part of the UN etc. world government architecture that is controlled by communists and other people who are even worse than our elites, ending the WTO is good, after the WTO is destroyed we can debate where our tariffs should be set and whether we should defend ourselves from trade warfare.
    War must be fought on every front, we can't concentrate on just a few or we will fall to a flank attack.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    https://www.vox.com/2018/3/2/1707226...steel-big-deal

    Trump’s commerce secretary: tariffs raising car prices $175 is “trivial”

    Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross defended President Donald Trump’s plan to raise tariffs on steel and aluminum with a can of Campbell soup, a Budweiser tallboy, and some basic arithmetic.

    “In a can of Campbell’s Soup, there are about 2.6 pennies’ worth of steel,” Ross argued, holding up a can of soup on CNBC. “So if that goes up by 25 percent, that’s about six-tenths of 1 cent on the price on a can of Campbell’s soup. I just bought this can today at a 7-Eleven ... and it’s priced at a $1.99. Who in the world is going to be too bothered?”

    Ross is responding to widespread criticism that Trump’s announcement to place a 25 percent import tariff on steel and a 10 percent tariff on aluminum would likely lead to a trade war, raise prices for American businesses that buy steel and aluminum, and in turn increase prices for consumers.

    Republican governors, senators, and representatives have all come out against the plan — even Trump’s chief economic adviser Gary Cohn is against it. Among its supporters are trade hawks like White House adviser Peter Navarro and some Rust Belt Democrats, including Sens. Sherrod Brown (OH) and Bob Casey (PA).

    But Ross argued that any consumer price increases would be negligible and have “a trivial effect” on consumers.

    He went on to give another example:

    “There’s about one ton of steel in a car,” Ross said on CNN. “The price of a ton of steel is $700 or so, so 25 percent on that would be one half of 1 percent price increase on the typical $35,000 car. So it’s no big deal.”

    In his estimate, that would amount to a roughly $175 price increase on a car.

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    Some peoples on Morning Joe were claiming it was "Wag the dog" trade war move cuz he wanted to divert attention away from his gun control comments , so many of his staff leaving amid reports of Kushner investigation by Mueller etc. Donny also said at least no people died in this wag the dog move even if many people lost lot of money. They (Joe and Donney)also claimed to be Trump's friends for decades and then insulted him by calling him 'so bad', 'evil' and such names.


    Trump tweets: 'Trade wars are good, and easy to win'

    Reuters-13 hours ago

    “When a country (USA) is losing many billions of dollars on trade with virtually every country it does business with, trade wars are good, and easy to win,” Trump's tweet read.“Example, when we are down $100 billion with a certain country and they get cute, don't trade anymore-we win big. It's easy!”.






    And leave to NBC to disrespect a sitting POTUS like this:

    Trump was angry and 'unglued' when he started a trade war, officials say
    NBCNews.com 6h ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Some peoples on Morning Joe were claiming it was "Wag the dog" trade war move cuz he wanted to divert attention away from his gun control comments , so many of his staff leaving amid reports of Kushner investigation by Mueller etc. Donny also said at least no people died in this wag the dog move even if many people lost lot of money. They (Joe and Donney)also claimed to be Trump's friends for decades and then insulted him by calling him 'so bad', 'evil' and such names.


    Trump tweets: 'Trade wars are good, and easy to win'

    Reuters-13 hours ago

    “When a country (USA) is losing many billions of dollars on trade with virtually every country it does business with, trade wars are good, and easy to win,” Trump's tweet read.“Example, when we are down $100 billion with a certain country and they get cute, don't trade anymore-we win big. It's easy!”.
    Win win! We get higher prices and fewer jobs! We export less. Everybody is better off!




    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43264200

    Potential EU tariff retaliation for motorcycles, bourbon, and blue jeans. Others talking possibly on agriculture products.

    Trump steel tariffs: European Union gears up for trade war

    European Union officials have said they will respond "firmly" if US President Donald Trump presses ahead with his plan for steep global duties on metals.

    EU trade chiefs are considering slapping 25% tariffs on around $3.5bn (£2.5bn) of imports from the US, Reuters news agency reports.

    World Trade Organization Director General Roberto Azevedo said: "A trade war is in no one's interests."

    The rhetoric ramped up as Mr Trump tweeted that "trade wars are good".

    International condemnation has greeted the US president's Thursday announcement that he plans to impose a 25% tariff on steel imports and 10% on aluminium next week.

    What are EU officials saying?
    The European Union is reported to be considering retaliatory tariffs, targeting US steel, agriculture and other products.

    European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker promised to react firmly.

    "We will not sit idly while our industry is hit with unfair measures that put thousands of European jobs at risk," he said.

    Speaking to a German TV programme, he vowed: "We will put tariffs on Harley-Davidson, on bourbon and on blue jeans - Levi's."

    French economy minister Bruno Le Maire said there would "only be losers" in a US-EU trade war.

    Mr Le Maire vowed a "strong, co-ordinated and united response from the EU".
    Who else is unhappy?

    Canada, Mexico, China, Japan and Brazil also say they are considering retaliatory steps.

    The prime minister of Canada - which exports more steel to the US than any other country - slammed the tariffs as "absolutely unacceptable".

    Justin Trudeau told reporters in Ontario he is "confident we're going to continue to be able to defend Canadian industry".
    What are the stakes for US?
    Mr Trump has lamented the decline of the US steel industry, which since 2000 has seen production drop from 112m tons to 86.5m tons in 2016.

    The number of employees working in the sector has fallen over the same period from 135,000 to 83,600.

    But experts say far more Americans work in industries that depend on steel products, than are employed in steel plants.

    Steel mills in 2015 employed about 140,000 Americans, according to census data.

    But 6.5 million Americans work for manufacturers who make things using steel.
    20% of our imported steel comes from Canada. China only supplies about five percent.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-02-2018 at 07:24 PM.

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    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-02-2018 at 07:17 PM.

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uences/554690/

    Trump Repeats Nixon's Folly

    President Trump just raised the price of cars, beer, vacations, and apartment rentals.

    That’s not what most headlines say. Those headlines say that Trump will raise tariffs on steel and aluminum. Higher tariffs mean higher prices for those inputs—and therefore for the products ultimately made from those outputs. Automotive and construction top the largest users of steel in the United States. Aluminum is heavily used to make airplanes, cars and trucks, and beverage containers, and also in construction.

    The last time the U.S. imposed steel tariffs, back in 2002, the project was abandoned after 20 months. A 2003 report commissioned by industries that consumed steel estimated that the Bush steel tariffs cost in excess of 200,000 jobs—or more than the total number of people then employed in the entire steel industry at the time.

    This time the cost-benefit ratio is likely to skew much worse. There are fewer steel jobs to protect this time. Auto sales growth has stalled. The first warnings of consumer price inflation are appearing.

    But Trump wanted tariffs, and tariffs he has got. Even by Trump standards, the decision-making process was chaos. As late as 9 p.m. last night, it remained undecided whether there would be an announcement today at all—never mind what that announcement would be. Key congressional committee chairs were unconsulted and uninformed.

    The president as so often relied on junk information. The advice of the economic populist Peter Navarro (previously best known for blood-curdling anti-China documentaries) was heeded over that of actual trade experts. Industries seeking protection reportedly bought commercials on Fox & Friends. Apparently a decisive event in the debate was the firing of staff secretary Rob Porter, after revelations that he had engaged in spousal abuse. Porter had also chaired the weekly trade debate, forcing the president to confront the costs and harms of protectionism. His removal also empowered Trump’s worst instincts.

    The usual rules of trade policy were ignored. For authority, Trump invoked a trade law premised on protecting war-essential industries. Yet this authority is plainly a pretext. The Department of Defense intervention in the debate shredded the logic of protectionists like Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, himself a former steel man.

    U.S. military requirements for steel and aluminum each only represent about 3 percent of U.S. production. Therefore, DoD does not believe that the findings in the reports [of harm to domestic steel and aluminum producers from foreign competition] impact the ability of DoD programs to acquire the steel or aluminum necessary to meet national defense requirements.
    What did alarm the Department of Defense about proposed steel and aluminum tariffs was potential harm to vital U.S. alliances. China does not rank among the top 10 steel exporters to the United States. That list is topped by Canada, followed by Brazil. In third place is South Korea, an indispensable ally in the preemptive war the Trump administration is now contemplating against North Korea.

    Canada also heads the list of aluminum exporters. For that reason, DoD pleaded for even more caution with regard to aluminum tariffs than steel. “[If] the Administration takes action on steel, DoD recommends waiting before taking further steps on aluminum.”

    Trump announced simultaneous action on both—without itemizing which countries would be subject to the tariffs, and which exempt. Trump’s unpredictability and threatening language have not only jolted U.S. financial markets, but have done further damage to the U.S.-led alliance system. European Union trade ministers agreed earlier this week to retaliate if the U.S. imposes steel tariffs, further degrading a U.S.-EU relationship already badly damaged by Trump’s hostility to NATO and deference to Russia.

    Donald Trump is often compared to Richard Nixon in his disdain for law and ethics. The parallel applies to economics too. Nixon in 1971 quit the Bretton Woods agreement and imposed a surtax on all imports. The “shock” disrupted the world economy and profoundly angered formerly trusting friends already uneasy over the war in Vietnam. But Nixon, who knew little and cared less about economics, had his eye fixed on one concern only: the 1972 election. His emergency economic measures—joined to a loosening of monetary policy and a big increase in Social Security payouts the next year—were selected with an eye to one concern only. In the words of Allen Matusow, the shrewdest student of Nixon’s economic policy, “Somehow he had to make the economy hum by 1972 or face likely defeat in his quest for reelection.” What that meant in practice, Matsuow wrote, was that Nixon governed not according to what would work in the long term, but according to “the prevailing mood of the two-thirds of the country he called the ‘constituency of uneducated people.’”

    Nixon did indeed win in 1972. He also bequeathed his country not only the worst political scandal in its history to date, but a decade of stagflation that bore most heavily upon the very people Nixon claimed to champion. We’ve been there before; it looks like we’re returning there again.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    If the direction is to make America poorer then yes, it is a step in the right direction.
    Although free trade is beneficial and generally most efficient from a philosophical standpoint and on paper, when you have trade imbalances like we have then it can artificially affect things like national security (not producing important goods and materials that we would otherwise produce) and it can weaken the dollar.

    Balancing trade and then negotiating better trade deals can help make both countries stronger, more independent and wealthier.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    It's just steel, it's not like raising the price will have tremendous impact on rest of economy
    Really , do you not make everything with plastic now ?



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Really , do you not make everything with plastic now ?
    Texan like sarcasm.

  30. #26
    I really do not see that this tariff should matter , but I still would not have done it . I actually think growth is slowing .

  31. #27
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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  32. #28
    The WSJ:

    "This tax increase will punish American workers, invite retaliation that will harm U.S. exports, divide his political coalition at home, anger allies abroad, and undermine his tax and regulatory reforms."
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That's why the OP chose to link that particular article, of course (CFR says Trump bad --> Trump must be good).
    You need to start reading before quoting, otherwise you might end up appropriating the opposing view points. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...e-than-reading

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    The WSJ:

    "This tax increase will punish American workers, invite retaliation that will harm U.S. exports, divide his political coalition at home, anger allies abroad, and undermine his tax and regulatory reforms."
    This sounds serious, but at least they do not claim the stock market will crash this time.

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