Site Information
About Us
- RonPaulForums.com is an independent grassroots outfit not officially connected to Ron Paul but dedicated to his mission. For more information see our Mission Statement.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The Second Amendment restricts the government, not a private citizen or company. If you think there's a federal statute prohibiting age discrimination in connection with the sale of firearms (or any other item, for that matter) by all means cite it. You'll find there aren't any.
As pointed out in the link I posted (which you should read), some state laws may ban age discrimination in connection with the sale of guns, which simply means Dick's and others will need to have different policies for different states.
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
The right to keep and bear arms is a Constitutionally protected right.. FACT
Federal Firearms License Is Federal Government license. Fact
Federal Government sets age for firearm ownership. Fact
Stores refusing sales is discrimination. (see Gay Cakes)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infringe
When a retailer partners with the Federal Government it is no longer has any right to refuse.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
I think there is a strong argument that a lawsuit could be brought, Pete. I think it should be initiated by a fine upstanding 20 yr. old Marine with some combat duty under his belt. Just walk into the store in dress blues and offer to purchase a semi-automatic rifle. Perhaps with his father standing next to him also offering to purchase one to show the discrimination inherent. Fully videoed and documented.
That's because there's a specific statute or ordinance prohibiting discrimination on the basis of things like race, gender, sexual orientation, or national origin. But there's no law that says provisions like these must also include age as a type of protected class. The plain fact is that federal civil rights statutes don't prohibit age discrimination except in connection with employment.
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
Is it illegal? Not to my knowledge.
Should it be illegal? Absolutely not.
If you don't like the policies of a company, don't do business with it.
Simple
The convoluted rats nest of Gun Laws can and will PHUCK you..
I Know,, it was my 4th Felony.
I have learned a lot since then,, much of it here. Though it was this issue that brought me here.
and if I am all that dangerous ,,, why am I not sitting here with a suppressed full auto weapon.
I am certainly capable of building several types from common materials. I am mechanically proficient,, and familiar with a wide range of tools.
what law prevents me?
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Not simple.. it is not the Company but the Federal Firearm License holder..
The FFL is a Government Agent...legally and lawfully.
how does the government agent refuse to sell to a legal adult of legal age??
The Government agent should not have that discretion any more that he would choosing to sell to a prohibited person.
Or are you arguing that arbitrary standards should apply?
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
If you're asking whether these companies are violating the law, I think Sonny Tufts already covered that. As for the moral question (the important question), of whether they ought to be allowed to refuse to serve whoever they want, of course they should, for reasons which shouldn't need explaining at Ron Paul Forums; and that the state forces them to obtain a special license to conduct their business doesn't change that one iota. If the state declares that apple sellers have to obtain a special federal apple selling license, would it follow that apple sellers should be stripped of their freedom of contract? I think not.
In a Free Market I would heartily agree.
We are not talking about some fantasy land,,The real world reality is that Government and sales are at an ugly nexus.
I am talking about LAW and not philosophy.
Does an AGENT of the Government have the arbitrary choice? And the FFL Holder is an Agent of Government..
in a proper world there would be no government involvement and it would be a simple business transaction.
But that is not a reality.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Wah wahh... (sad trombone)Whether you post a sign or not, businesses never have the right to refuse or turn away customers because of their race, gender, age, nationality or religion.
Read more at https://www.business2community.com/t...nation-0766551
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Well It might be a point to raise..
18 is the age to vote and to enlist,, For LAWful purpose an adult.
Federal says that a legal adult can buy long guns.
The retailer ceases to be a private business and becomes a government agent.. FFL or they can't sell guns..
only FFL AGENTS,,, Federal Agents can sell guns,,,
do you see where this goes? Can Federal agents refuse the sale that meets the Legal requirements?
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Now, that said, I like that this is happening.
It will re-vitalize the small, independent gun shops that used to be one of the largest, in numbers, of small businesses in the country.
Something as critical as the supply of guns and ammo should never been centralized by one or two giant mega-chain stores, for the very reason we are seeing right now.
Neither should anything else, for that matter.
Which is why I have been railing against Wal Marx all these years.
All NFA rules apply.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
as an interested yet detached observer,, it could be good.
I am certainly hoping some Gun Rights Lawyers could spin this into at least blowback against stupid Boycotters.
I would love to see it Blow up into pieces and those pieces bite everyone in the ass.
Need something to swing the pendulum.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Connect With Us