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    Are Retailers Breaking the Law?

    Are the retailers that are refusing Gun Sales to Legal Adults violating the Law..

    Should they lose their FFL License?.

    Not sure of the law on this,,but it does seem a violation to refuse a legal sale.

    Thoughts?
    Ammo?
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    Retailers should be able to buy from who they wish and sell to who they wish.

    It could be considered discriminatory based on the refusal of service due to age but all other areas of the businesses are open to doing business with those aged 18-21.

    It sets a bad precedent to badger businesses to do business with those they do not wish to and really, the progressive deciders of these anti-discrimination lawsuits are about as anti-gun as they come.

    That being said, they should be boycotted for furthering authoritarian policy and practically speaking it is a stupid business decision.
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    ^ what chiefs said. They should have every right to sell what they want to whoever they want. We should have every right to not support businesses for whatever reason.

    The companies that go political are screwing up badly. Just sell $#@! FFS.

    I won’t set foot in another Dick’s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    ^ what chiefs said. They should have every right to sell what they want to whoever they want. We should have every right to not support businesses for whatever reason.

    The companies that go political are screwing up badly. Just sell $#@! FFS.

    I won’t set foot in another Dick’s...
    It should be... BUT IT IS NOT...!!

    It is Federal Licensed.. under Federal Law,,
    It is NOT discretionary.

    They are violating Federal Law by discriminating based on age.. when the legal age is Determined by Law.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post

    I won’t set foot in another Dick’s...
    it ain't just Dicks,, this $hit is viral.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It should be... BUT IT IS NOT...!!

    It is Federal Licensed.. under Federal Law,,
    It is NOT discretionary.

    They are violating Federal Law by discriminating based on age.. when the legal age is Determined by Law.
    There should be a class action lawsuit coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It should be... BUT IT IS NOT...!!

    It is Federal Licensed.. under Federal Law,,
    It is NOT discretionary.

    They are violating Federal Law by discriminating based on age.. when the legal age is Determined by Law.
    That'd be an ironic case for those authoritarian $#@!s to preside over and I think they'd correctly side with the business discriminating based on whatever reasons they wish (for the wrong reason though).

    On principal I would not endorse the lawsuit.

    Abolish FFLs.
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    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    There should be a class action lawsuit coming soon.
    I do not believe that a Prohibited Person has standing. (anywhere)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    it ain't just Dicks,, this $hit is viral.
    Stores that barely even sell firearms are jumping on the bandwagon (Kroger). And Wal-Mart too. Despicable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Are the retailers that are refusing Gun Sales to Legal Adults violating the Law..
    Should they lose their FFL License?.
    Not sure of the law on this,,but it does seem a violation to refuse a legal sale.
    Thoughts?
    Ammo?
    I would think so, but rental car companies and hotels have been doing the same thing for a long time without any problems evidently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I do not believe that a Prohibited Person has standing. (anywhere)
    Maybe somebody just coming coming back from a "tour of duty"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Are the retailers that are refusing Gun Sales to Legal Adults violating the Law..

    Should they lose their FFL License?.

    Not sure of the law on this,,but it does seem a violation to refuse a legal sale.

    Thoughts?
    Ammo?
    It might be considered discrimination, however as a libertarian it should be no-brainer. Discrimination laws are immoral and should not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It might be considered discrimination, however as a libertarian it should be no-brainer. Discrimination laws are immoral and should not exist.
    Neither should Federal Firearm Laws.. but there we are.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It might be considered discrimination, however as a libertarian it should be no-brainer. Discrimination laws are immoral and should not exist.
    Agreed on all accounts, but if a baker has to make gay cakes on demand, then retailers should have to sell legal goods to people of any age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I would think so, but rental car companies and hotels have been doing the same thing for a long time without any problems evidently.
    Are car companies required to be Federally Licensed to rent cars?
    Are there Federal rules in place as to age requirements/restrictions?

    is there any way this can bite them in the a$$,, quickly and decisively.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Neither should Federal Firearm Laws.. but there we are.
    And I'm not going to get mad if either goes unenforced.



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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Agreed on all accounts, but if a baker has to make gay cakes on demand, then retailers should have to sell legal goods to people of any age.
    Bingo !
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    On principal I would not endorse the lawsuit.
    Yep, that is the problem with being on the right when it comes to discrimination.

    The left makes laws that discriminate against the right, and the right opposes them. But when the left breaks those same laws to discriminate further against the right, the right is 'too principled' to defend themselves.
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    This is presenting a convincing argument for allowing retailers to sell or not sell at their discretion. Turning that around to try to force retailers to sell is simply reinforcing the anti-liberty position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This is presenting a convincing argument for allowing retailers to sell or not sell at their discretion. Turning that around to try to force retailers to sell is simply reinforcing the anti-liberty position.
    Yes, I think that's the resounding opinion. However, one can argue that the only way to get the anti-liberty people to see the validity of that argument is to use their own tactics against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This is presenting a convincing argument for allowing retailers to sell or not sell at their discretion.
    Is it??
    A retailer can not sell to me under penalty,, not much discretion there.

    I would say that is a pretty Unconvincing argument.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yep, that is the problem with being on the right when it comes to discrimination.

    The left makes laws that discriminate against the right, and the right opposes them. But when the left breaks those same laws to discriminate further against the right, the right is 'too principled' to defend themselves.
    The left also determines what is and is not discrimination.

    Their kangaroo courts would think of the children and get a ruling right for once. Albeit for the wrong reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    They are violating Federal Law by discriminating based on age.. when the legal age is Determined by Law.
    The federal law forbidding discrimination on the basis of age protects only those who are at least 40 and applies only to employment matters. Some state laws banning age discrimination might apply, however. See https://reason.com/volokh/2018/02/28...ell-rifles-and

    It may be a bad business decision, but it's the owner's decision to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    it ain't just Dicks,, this $hit is viral.
    No doubt, friend.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    it ain't just Dicks,, this $hit is viral.
    Dicks is choosing to no longer carry a certain type of merchandise. Should the government tell them what items they should have in their stores?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Dicks is choosing to no longer carry a certain type of merchandise. Should the government tell them what items they should have in their stores?
    Obviously not and they are not selling rifles to those under 21 (which is the subject of this thread).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Dicks is choosing to no longer carry a certain type of merchandise. Should the government tell them what items they should have in their stores?
    It would be my contention that due to their policy in violation of the law,, their FFL should be revoked and no guns or ammo sold in their stores.

    Federal law says 18 for long guns,, Federal Firearms License can be revoked.

    They have been revoked elsewhere for less reason.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It would be my contention that due to their policy in violation of the law,, their FFL should be revoked and no guns or ammo sold in their stores.

    Federal law says 18 for long guns,, Federal Firearms License can be revoked.
    Federal law sets the minimum age to buy a long gun at 18, but this doesn't mean the seller must sell to an 18 year old. It just means he can't sell to someone under 18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Federal law sets the minimum age to buy a long gun at 18, but this doesn't mean the seller must sell to an 18 year old. It just means he can't sell to someone under 18.
    No it means that the person is eligible to purchase, Refusing the purchase is discrimination based on age. and also violation of that persons 2nd amendment right. It is an infringement.

    Federal law sets the age.. FFL must follow the law.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No it means that the person is eligible to purchase, Refusing the purchase is discrimination based on age. and also violation of that persons 2nd amendment right. It is an infringement.
    The 2nd Amendment applies to Congress (lol).

    You don't become an arm of Congress because you are required to apply for a license to transact in something.

    Eta: As has been posted, age discrimination, maybe, depending location but all that would be argued, to a leftist court, is that the 18-20 year old is still permitted on premises to purchase any other item they wished to and that they are simply limiting their company's possible liability. The court would seem sensible in allowing this specific discrimination in the name of public safety.
    Last edited by kcchiefs6465; 03-02-2018 at 03:31 PM.
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    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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