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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
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    Trump, once again, flipflops.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    To paraphrase: "Rights? You ain't got not steenking rights!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why not just tell the cops to shoot first and have due process later?

    Trump is either insane or too clever by half, I can't believe Dannno defends this garbage.

    The cops DO shoot first and then usually don't bother asking too many questions or messing with "due process" later. And usually get away with it. And Trump's all for that.

    As far as dannno defending this garbage? He defends, or at least provides cover for, virtually everything Trump does. No big shock there.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I'd +rep you, if I could.

    Covered.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    @RepThomasMassie









    POTUS said police should have taken guns away from person in Florida whether they had the right or not. Advocated for law enforcement to ignore due process. Is anyone ok with this, because I’m sure as hell not. I swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. Speak up.
    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...06437997051905
    @RepThomasMassie









    Like liberals, @realDonaldTrump mentions Columbine, Pulse, Sandy Hook to motivate gun control, but totally ignores how guns were acquired: columbine:straw purchases, pulse:registered security guard, sandy hook: stolen. DISGRACEFUL!
    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...32796152745985
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Stay on it TM!
    He heard ya!


    I just introduced the Second Amendment for Every Registrable Voter Act. HR 5112, The SAFER Voter Act, would repeal the federal law that prevents voting age adults, 18 to 20, from purchasing a handgun from a FFL. Why should a 20-yr-old mom be denied the right to defend herself?
    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...40901779427331
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Mr Magoo says due process is different.

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    Trump will be forever known now as "Take the Guns First" president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Mr Magoo says due process is different.



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    Trump is wrong and he better get more constitutional people around him.

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    Remember when Obama said this? Because I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    Trump will be forever known now as "Take the Guns First" president.
    Amnesty Don
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    I could be wrong, but this looks like a similar thing trump did with the recent DACA giving the dems all they wanted and more in order to deal. Pissed his base off really bad, just like this is pissing off his base plus all 2nd amendment supporters. It was all grandstanding that went nowhere. I am hoping this goes nowhere and I am giving more $ to GOA because they are the only ones I trust to protect the natural right to self defense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    In the long run it always is, Trump is feeding the anti-gun culture steroids and breathing new life into "compromise" on the issue even if nothing happens right now, and what is worse is that he is bringing pro-gun progress to a halt.

    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    And the end result will be something in the middle, as always. More restrictions but plenty of pats on the back about how lucky folks are since it could have been so much worse. And Hillary would have nuked gun owner's houses by then.

    Thesis>>Antithesis>>Synthesis. Swing from extreme to extreme then settle in the middle and declare disaster averted since it could have been so much worse...


    Exactly.

    Trump is playing the wrong strategy. He is giving political cover to the pro-gun people. In short he is helping the enemy. And even if he comes back to the pro-gun position he has made it a lot harder to fight these guys. Also as pointed out, he will settle and compromise somewhere and this makes it easier for Congresscritters to vote for "reasonable" and "moderate" gun control.


    It took George Bush to pass Medicare Part D, looks like Trump is going to pass gun control where Obama couldnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post


    Exactly.

    Trump is playing the wrong strategy. He is giving political cover to the pro-gun people. In short he is helping the enemy. And even if he comes back to the pro-gun position he has made it a lot harder to fight these guys. Also as pointed out, he will settle and compromise somewhere and this makes it easier for Congresscritters to vote for "reasonable" and "moderate" gun control.


    It took George Bush to pass Medicare Part D, looks like Trump is going to pass gun control where Obama couldnt.
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    Is the House really going to vote for this crap? They aren't supposed to bring any bill to the floor that lacks majority GOP support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milgram View Post
    Is the House really going to vote for this crap? They aren't supposed to bring any bill to the floor that lacks majority GOP support.
    Nah..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Mr Magoo says due process is different.
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    "There Aren't Votes For That" - GOP Senators Reject Trump's Gun-Control Proposal

    Even Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who has recently expressed support for raising the age limit to 21, said he wouldn't support the Manchin-Toomey proposal, which would also help close the so-called "gun show loophole".
    "I haven't voted for it in the past, I'm not inclined to vote for it now,” Rubio told reporters after the meeting. He also noted that the shooters in recent mass killings did not buy their weapons at gun shows or from unlicensed dealers and wouldn’t have been stopped if Toomey-Manchin had been law.
    Rubio said “we’re better off” prosecuting straw purchasers who attempt to evade gun laws already on the books or tightening the current background-check system with the Fix NICS bill.
    However, some Republicans questioned Trump's sincerity and expressed doubts that Trump fully understands the Toomey-Manchin proposal. They predicted he would change his mind on comprehensive background checks.
    While Trump argued in favor of a more expansive gun-control bill, Senate Republican Whip John Cornyn, who is leading the GOP response to gun violence in the upper chamber, told reporters after the meeting that he still favors "a limited approach."
    Cornyn wants to advance a bill that he co-authored with Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy and introduced late last year after the Las Vegas shooting, the deadliest mass shooting in US history. It would give state and local officials more incentive to report relevant information to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System known as NICS. Reporting failures have played a role in several recent mass shootings, including a shooting at a Texas church late last year that left more than two dozen people dead.
    "For me the most obvious place to start is the Fix NICS [National Instant Criminal Background Check System] bill that has 46 cosponsors," Cornyn said of the bill he’s co-sponsored with Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy (Conn.).
    When it comes to raising the age limit on assault-rifle purchases, GOP senators said the bill would never garner enough votes to pass both the Senate and the House. Some senators even walked back their support of the age-limit increase.
    GOP leaders at lunchtime Wednesday said that raising the age threshold wouldn’t have enough votes to pass.
    "There aren’t the votes there for that," Senate Republican Conference Chairman John Thune (R-S.D.) told The Hill.
    Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), who over the weekend indicated support for raising the age for buying rifles, on Tuesday walked back his earlier statement.
    ...
    But Cornyn poured cold water on the idea of moving a comprehensive bill, cautioning it’s “easier said than done.”
    Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), another member of the GOP leadership, said, “if you actually tried to put a comprehensive bill together and take a bill to the floor that was comprehensive, you’d probably wind up with no result.”
    He said the Fix NICS bill “has the biggest chance to get 60 votes.”






    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ntrol-proposal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "There Aren't Votes For That" - GOP Senators Reject Trump's Gun-Control Proposal


    Even Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who has recently expressed support for raising the age limit to 21, said he wouldn't support the Manchin-Toomey proposal, which would also help close the so-called "gun show loophole".
    "I haven't voted for it in the past, I'm not inclined to vote for it now,” Rubio told reporters after the meeting. He also noted that the shooters in recent mass killings did not buy their weapons at gun shows or from unlicensed dealers and wouldn’t have been stopped if Toomey-Manchin had been law.
    Rubio said “we’re better off” prosecuting straw purchasers who attempt to evade gun laws already on the books or tightening the current background-check system with the Fix NICS bill.
    However, some Republicans questioned Trump's sincerity and expressed doubts that Trump fully understands the Toomey-Manchin proposal. They predicted he would change his mind on comprehensive background checks.
    While Trump argued in favor of a more expansive gun-control bill, Senate Republican Whip John Cornyn, who is leading the GOP response to gun violence in the upper chamber, told reporters after the meeting that he still favors "a limited approach."
    Cornyn wants to advance a bill that he co-authored with Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy and introduced late last year after the Las Vegas shooting, the deadliest mass shooting in US history. It would give state and local officials more incentive to report relevant information to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System known as NICS. Reporting failures have played a role in several recent mass shootings, including a shooting at a Texas church late last year that left more than two dozen people dead.
    "For me the most obvious place to start is the Fix NICS [National Instant Criminal Background Check System] bill that has 46 cosponsors," Cornyn said of the bill he’s co-sponsored with Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy (Conn.).
    When it comes to raising the age limit on assault-rifle purchases, GOP senators said the bill would never garner enough votes to pass both the Senate and the House. Some senators even walked back their support of the age-limit increase.
    GOP leaders at lunchtime Wednesday said that raising the age threshold wouldn’t have enough votes to pass.
    "There aren’t the votes there for that," Senate Republican Conference Chairman John Thune (R-S.D.) told The Hill.
    Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), who over the weekend indicated support for raising the age for buying rifles, on Tuesday walked back his earlier statement.
    ...
    But Cornyn poured cold water on the idea of moving a comprehensive bill, cautioning it’s “easier said than done.”
    Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), another member of the GOP leadership, said, “if you actually tried to put a comprehensive bill together and take a bill to the floor that was comprehensive, you’d probably wind up with no result.”
    He said the Fix NICS bill “has the biggest chance to get 60 votes.”






    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ntrol-proposal

    Wow, who could have guessed?
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Deep fake news.
    Dannno is calling it Head-fake news, he may be right but that doesn't do anything for Dump as I keep saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    The cops DO shoot first and then usually don't bother asking too many questions or messing with "due process" later. And usually get away with it. And Trump's all for that.

    As far as dannno defending this garbage? He defends, or at least provides cover for, virtually everything Trump does. No big shock there.
    been thinking dannno found employment..

    seems invested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    been thinking dannno found employment..

    seems invested.
    Nah, I don't think Trump is perfect on the liberty front but I think he is much better than he puts on at times.

    I just think I understand his motivations and his methods somewhat, which are highly unorthodox and extremely difficult to comprehend. But that makes sense, he has an IQ probably at least 10 points higher than me.

    People make fun of the 4D chess stuff, but the fact is he has proven in the past that he uses it and that it works well, if you are paying attention.

    Not saying I couldn't be wrong, but pretty sure I'm right about all this stuff. It should become more clear as time passes.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Nah, I don't think Trump is perfect on the liberty front but I think he is much better than he puts on at times.

    I just think I understand his motivations and his methods somewhat, which are highly unorthodox and extremely difficult to comprehend. But that makes sense, he has an IQ probably at least 10 points higher than me.

    People make fun of the 4D chess stuff, but the fact is he has proven in the past that he uses it and that it works well, if you are paying attention.

    Not saying I couldn't be wrong, but pretty sure I'm right about all this stuff. It should become more clear as time passes.
    Even if you are right he is being too clever by half this time.
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    Things have really deteriorated when Marco Rubio is the voice of reason.

    I just heard an NPR congressional reporter say the "narrow" background check bill lost some momentum after that televised meeting.

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    Who coulda knowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by June 17, 2015 (one day after Trump announced his candidacy)
    The big joke Tuesday was that comb-over reality TV star Donald Trump announced that he’s running for president in 2016 as a Republican. As if it isn’t funny enough that he’s given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Foundation, he also said he wants Oprah Winfrey as his VP. And just in case you aren’t convinced of his conservative credentials, it turns out he’s left quite a liberal footprint of anti-gun, pro-abortion, redistribution of wealth, Obam-esque socialism.

    Back in 2000 The Don was flirting with running for president as a Reform Party candidate. To get people jazzed about voting for the world’s biggest jackass, he published a book called The America We Deserve, which laid out his positions on a variety of subjects.

    Here’s what he wrote about gun control:

    "It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. After a tragedy like the massacre at Columbine High School, anyone could feel that it is too easy for Americans to get their hands on weapons. But nobody has a good solution. This is another issue where you see the extremes of the two existing major parties. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun."
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