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    Pat Buchanan: ‘The Bush Party Has Become a Trump Party’ on Immigration, Trade, Staying Out of

    Pat Buchanan: ‘The Bush Party Has Become a Trump Party’ on Immigration, Trade, Staying Out of Foreign Wars



    by JOHN BINDER25 Feb 2018Washington, D.

    Populist conservative icon Pat Buchanan has declared victory within the Republican Party, saying “The Bush party has become a Trump party” on the key issues of immigration, trade, and staying out of foreign wars.

    During the weekly show The McLaughlin Group, Buchanan—a pioneer of the economic nationalist movement—said the war within the “conservative movement” was “over,” saying President Trump’s agenda of economic nationalism has finally beat out decades of free trade, open borders, and global interventionist dogma favored by the Republican establishment and neoconservative wing of the party.



    BUCHANAN: It’s over Tom. The Bush party has become a Trump party. What the Republican Party is, basically, it is a Reagan party on issues like taxes, and guns, and judges and things like that, it remains that. However, on the new issues, the populist conservative issues—control of the border, immigration, economic nationalism versus free trade, staying out of foreign wars that get us entangled and bleeding and accomplish nothing, ‘America First’—[the GOP] has become the Trump party now. [Emphasis added]

    Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page agreed with Buchanan that the GOP on the issues of immigration, trade, and foreign wars had ditched the globalist policies of former President George W. Bush.

    PAGE: First of all, congratulations Pat. As I’ve said before: the party of Trump is the party of Buchanan. Trump came into it without ideology. But when he does express it, he tends to lean toward Buchanan. I mean, you had the Buchanan fence, he’s got the wall. [Emphasis added]

    Buchanan also slammed neoconservative commentator Bill Kristol, saying, “He’s a neocon and a ‘Never Trumper,’ excuse me.”

    The declaration by Buchanan came following the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), which featured a slew of economic nationalist speakers—including Trump, himself—such as Sebastian Gorka, France’s Marion Le Pen, Fox News’ Laura Ingraham, and Britain’s Nigel Farage.

    As Breitbart News reported, CPAC attendees were avidly opposed to the views of open borders wing of the Republican and Democratic Party establishments, booing down a speaker when he suggested that illegal aliens from Mexico are natural-born conservatives.

    CPAC attendees also fiercely defended Marion Le Pen—whose aunt, Marine Le Pen, is the leader of France’s economic nationalist party, the Front National—when ‘Never Trump’ National Review columnist Mona Charen smeared the Le Pen family, Breitbart London reported.

    “The only reason she was here is she’s named Le Pen. And the Le Pen name is a disgrace,” Charen said as CPAC attendees booed her down in defense of Marion.



    Most recent polling shows Americans—and specifically Republican voters—are aligned to economic nationalism when it comes to immigration and trade.

    On trade, a Rasmussen Reports poll released this month found that Americans are increasingly supportive of tariffs to protect U.S. industries such as steel and lumber, as well as American jobs, against rapid globalization.

    Once a hot-spot for free-traders, this year CPAC opted to ditch its renowned support for endless free trade, inviting Bill Walton, a former Trump transition team member, to speak on the issue in which he demanded the Trump administration to act quickly and strong against China.

    Walton said at CPAC:

    For conservatives, how does allowing China to constantly rig trade in its favor advance the core conservative goal of making markets more efficient. [Emphasis added]



    The State Department has seen advancing American economic and business interests as beneath them. While we have our own fair share of special interest cronyism in the United States, nevertheless we have largely trusted the market to advance our interests.

    I am emphatically not recommending that we engage in a trade war or any kind of war with China. What I do believe is that we need to recognize this issue and develop strategies to deal with Chinese mercantilism that will benefit all Americans. [Emphasis added]

    On immigration, as Breitbart News reported, a Harvard-Harris poll last week revealed that GOP voters now say reducing overall immigration to the United States should be the second-greatest priority for Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress.



    Last month’s Harvard-Harris poll found that more Americans support zero immigration to the U.S. than they support current legal immigration levels, whereby between one to 1.5 million mostly low-skilled legal immigrants are admitted to the country every year.

    Likewise, nearly 80 percent of Americans said they supported Trump’s plan to change the country’s immigration system to one based on merit, skills, and English proficiency, rather than the current system where foreign nationals with family members living in the U.S. are given priority.

    John Binder is a reporter for Breitbart News. Follow him on Twitter at @JxhnBinder.
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    If it's no longer the Bush party when it comes to foreign wars, why is it doubling down on all of Bush's perpetual wars?
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    I get the feeling Trump would be happy bringing most of them home. I feel pretty sure he's asking a lot of questions behind the scenes. Others inherited their jobs, too. I'm sure some of the reasoning was forgotten a long time ago. They are just over there because they are. Trump is asking why. I'd like to think he will say, "That's not a good reason. These people come home in 6 months. Start shutting down."
    Last edited by euphemia; 02-26-2018 at 08:40 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    If it's no longer the Bush party when it comes to foreign wars, why is it doubling down on all of Bush's perpetual wars?

    And doing its level best to seriously antagonize both China and Russia, which could easily result in WWIII. But hey, no biggie, right?
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    And doing its level best to seriously antagonize both China and Russia, which could easily result in WWIII. But hey, no biggie, right?
    But he's seriously questioning behind the scenes, so it's all good. I'm sure those tensions are only there because they are.

    WWIII can be forgiven if China and Russia were just calling Trump's bluff, right? If it begins on a bluff, none of the victims die, right?

    What's a few million dead if it gets us a Better Deal (TM)?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-26-2018 at 08:47 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    But he's seriously questioning behind the scenes, so it's all good. I'm sure those tensions are only there because they are.

    WWIII can be forgiven if China and Russia were just calling Trump's bluff, right? If it begins on a bluff, none of the victims die, right?

    What's a few million dead if it gets us a Better Deal (TM)?

    Exactly. And Trump's also working hard to keep those damn dirty Messican socialists from diluting our pool of native socialists, and also working hard to get new gun control passed to keep our kids safe, so there's even more win there.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I get the feeling Trump would be happy bringing most of them home. I feel pretty sure he's asking a lot of questions behind the scenes. Others inherited their jobs, too. I'm sure some of the reasoning was forgotten a long time ago. They are just over there because they are. Trump is asking why. I'd like to think he will say, "That's not a good reason. These people come home in 6 months. Start shutting down."
    LOL



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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Exactly. And Trump's also working hard to keep those damn dirty Messican socialists from diluting our pool of native socialists, and also working hard to get new gun control passed to keep our kids safe, so there's even more win there.
    But it's all 48DD chess. Next thing you know he'll turn on them and before you know it, all the golf courses will be federalized. Then he can begin fracking Yellowstone and see if ExxonMobil can make Old Faithful spout oil every twenty minutes.

    And if that triggers The Big Eruption, no worries. His faithful minions will just say, it's good. It's good The Donald tried to shake California loose from the continent, and let it float out to sea!
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I get the feeling Trump would be happy bringing most of them home. I feel pretty sure he's asking a lot of questions behind the scenes. Others inherited their jobs, too. I'm sure some of the reasoning was forgotten a long time ago. They are just over there because they are. Trump is asking why. I'd like to think he will say, "That's not a good reason. These people come home in 6 months. Start shutting down."
    This is where the Trump fan fiction comes from.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    But he's seriously questioning behind the scenes, so it's all good.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This is where the Trump fan fiction comes from.

    Pretending like last week didn't happen again?

    [Trump] has repeatedly pressed Mattis and McMaster in stark terms to explain why U.S. troops are in Somalia. “Can’t we just pull out?” he has asked, according to U.S. officials.

    And Trump questioned US involvement in Afghanistan, which is now the country’s longest war:

    In a meeting with his top national security aides, the president grew frustrated.

    “You guys want me to send troops everywhere,” Trump said, according to officials in the Situation Room meeting. “What’s the justification?”

    “Sir, we’re doing it to prevent a bomb from going off in Times Square,” Mattis replied.

    The response angered Trump, who insisted that Mattis could make the same argument about almost any country on the planet.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Foreign-Policy


    Amazing you guys will throw Tom Woods and other people promoting liberty under the bus because they actually prefer a President who is asking real questions about our wars and wants to bring the troops home... you think some deep state tool is going to be the exact same, really??
    Last edited by dannno; 02-26-2018 at 10:48 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Maybe so, OP. Trump's just not the man to go balls out and call everyone home and deport anchor babies.

    What's he signed for trade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Pretending like last week didn't happen again?



    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Foreign-Policy
    Because infowars. You betcha.

    So where are the returning troops? I'd like to go welcome them home.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Because infowars. You betcha.

    So where are the returning troops? I'd like to go welcome them home.
    What do you think is going to happen after Trump's sole foreign policy mission that he promised is successful?

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What do you think is going to happen after Trump's sole foreign policy mission that he promised is successful?

    Perpetual occupation of oil rich parts of Syria, as we are currently seeing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What do you think is going to happen after Trump's sole foreign policy mission that he promised is successful?

    North Korea?

    Aren't we talking about the guy who also said something about stealing resources from around the globe?

    Don't you feel kind of silly parroting Defense Department propaganda?

    And this makes him President NotBush because...?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-26-2018 at 11:05 AM.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This is where the Trump fan fiction comes from.
    From feelings? Thats true. Typically the progs get the feelz...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Pretending like last week didn't happen again?
    You're defending fan fiction with even more fan fiction?


    If your anonymous source is true, is the 'Trump wants to kill all drug dealers' anonymous source also true? Or is this a religious faith thing?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If your anonymous source is true, is the 'Trump wants to kill all drug dealers' anonymous source also true? Or is this a religious faith thing?
    It's possible that he has joked about it, which is what he was doing according to the source. But fortunately all he wants to do is make really harsh sentences for fentanyl, which is a deadly additive that is fraudulently added to and sold as heroin. A lot of these people could legitimately be charged with murder, so a light 5 year sentence is pretty lenient.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's possible that he has joked about it, which is what he was doing according to the source. But fortunately all he wants to do is make really harsh sentences for fentanyl, which is a deadly additive that is fraudulently added to and sold as heroin. A lot of these people could legitimately be charged with murder, so a light 5 year sentence is pretty lenient.
    Which is why he appointed Jeff Sessions as AG, of course.

    Fan fiction was a lot easier to write during the campaign, when there were a lot fewer pesky facts to try to weave into the narrative.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Don't count your chicks before they're hatched Pat.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Don't count your chicks before they're hatched Pat.
    He's counting yesterday's omelet as chicks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What do you think is going to happen after Trump's sole foreign policy mission that he promised is successful?
    So let's say he "defeats" ISIS. What are the next ones going to be called?

    I mean, thank goodness we're no longer battling Al Qaeda right?
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Don't count your chicks before they're hatched Pat.
    Ya I agree with him to a large extent, but you're right it's still too early to celebrate.. but I'm all ready to wake up any day now and see the headlines that we are starting to pull troops out.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    So let's say he "defeats" ISIS. What are the next ones going to be called?
    I don't know, maybe you should ask whatever deep state tool is probably going to be elected after Trump (unless Rand or some other anti-deep state person gets elected after Trump).
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I don't know, maybe you should ask whatever deep state tool is probably going to
    ... inherit the biggest offense budget in history.

    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    "We love and need our military..."

    So why are they fighting other peoples' wars?

    If Trump really wants a war that aligns with his campaign promises, he would pull out of Asia and invade Mexico.

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    Man, the Trump blinders are on proud display in this thread! Don’t look at the results, look at what I think might possibly be really happening behind the scenes that isn’t really manifesting itself in any tangible action. But trust us, I’m sure it’s really there somewhere.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Man, the Trump blinders are on proud display in this thread! Don’t look at the results, look at what I think might possibly be really happening behind the scenes that isn’t really manifesting itself in any tangible action. But trust us, I’m sure it’s really there somewhere.
    No, you see, I'm actually interested in the results of his term as a whole, not what he did in the first year to fight ISIS and extrapolate that into the rest of his term..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Pat Buchanan has completely lost it, you know I used to wonder how anyone can fall for the Obama deception when the evidence of the con job was very evident among most people and then I see what is going on around here with Trump. Except for dannno who I think his brain has completely rotten from all the hours listening to Stefan, I am saddened by everybody else on this thread who believes the Pat idiocy on Trump.

    At least Pat can blame senility and old age, you guys have no excuse other than low political IQ and personality cult.



    Some of you people should not laughing at this woman, at least she woke up when he actually saw his policies in action. You people have experienced Trump policies and are still delusional.


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