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    Exclamation Rubio does not support arming teachers because they might be shot by cops

    He's got a point.

    But maybe the question should be: why the $#@! are the cops shooting people before they even know what is going on or who is who?




    Sen. Marco Rubio Counters Trump, Opposes Arming Teachers for School Safety

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...school-safety/

    by AWR Hawkins21 Feb 2018

    Hours after President Donald Trump announced his push to arm teachers for self-defense, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) told a CNN audience he does not support letting teachers carry guns.

    Rubio said plainly, “I don’t support it.”

    He suggested armed teachers could end up being shot by a SWAT team if that team entered the building and saw the teacher standing with a gun in his or her hand. He said, “The SWAT team doesn’t know who is who” so they may shoot the teacher, leading to an “additional tragedy that was unnecessary.”

    Lost in Rubio’s scenario are two things: 1. Schools could keep specific lists of which teachers were armed – lists responding law enforcement could access so they would know who should have a gun. 2. He overlooked the agonizingly long minutes which pass between he time the attack starts and the time SWAT enters the building. At Sandy Hook the attacker had over nine minutes without armed resistance.

    What are unarmed teachers to do for nine minutes?

    Is it not safe to say that every death that occurs during that time is “unnecessary”?

    President Trump observed that the status quo, wherein teachers are denied arms, is not working. CNN quoted him saying, “Gun-free zone to a maniac—because they’re all cowards—a gun-free zone is ‘let’s go in and let’s attack because bullets aren’t coming back at us.’”

    Trump stressed that incidents like the February 14 attack could be cut short or prevented altogether if teachers were armed. He said, “If you had a teacher who was adept with the firearm, they could end the attack very quickly.”
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    Uniforms for teachers would solve the problem.

    OR we could just tell SWAT they don't get to shoot people without giving them a chance to drop the weapon unless that person fires at them.
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    Ya but if the teacher saves 10 kids' lives, and is subsequently shot by the cops, looking back they would probably be happy with their decision.

    I guess Rubio doesn't care about the children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Uniforms for teachers would solve the problem.
    Yep, . . . teachers all wear flak jackets

    Valuable lessons for indoctrination to police state authority for our youth.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 02-22-2018 at 04:38 AM.

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    Not shocked at all by Rubio's response. He not on the side of Liberty.
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    Maybe they should drill and train with law enforcement? If they are serious about being able to handle the next school shooting, it seems to be a very minor thing to have a few Saturdays set aside a year to hold drills so that everyone knows what is going on when something like this happens.

    Having said that, I can't remember the last time a SWAT team entered a building while shooting was still going on. It's hard to take Rubio's fears seriously.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    You'd think Rubio would be smart enough to figure out this is about deterrence. If there's deterrence, when would the issue ever come up?
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    $HOOT FIRST!
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    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Teachers and LEA would have to work this one out. Perhaps 3 different colored armbands in which the color of the armband is randomly changed every few days to identify a "safe shooter." Teachers keep them in their pocket and only put them on during an active shooting.

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    Arming the teaching staff would seem a step in the right direction... tho I'm sure some teachers would opt out.

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    Just thinking outside box here, can cops be made teachers as dual role jobs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Uniforms for teachers would solve the problem.
    Will have to make sure unathorized persons do not have access to copy their uniforms. Numerous "insider attacks" in Afghan lands have taken place by men wearing Afghan military uniforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Just thinking outside box here, can cops be made teachers as dual role jobs?



    Will have to make sure unathorized persons do not have access to copy their uniforms. Numerous "insider attacks" in Afghan lands have taken place by men wearing Afghan military uniforms.
    The local cops could supply the uniforms and they could be locked in a locker room for the teachers to change into each day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    $HOOT FIRST!
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    If questions do arise, deflect. When they become too large to ignore, call in a false flag.

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    Thinking on it...would that really be a lose-lose situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The local cops could supply the uniforms and they could be locked in a locker room for the teachers to change into each day.
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