Originally Posted by dannno
Any Demoncrat judge won't care so it will probably end up on SCOTUS' doorstep, what they will do with it is unknown because Roberts and Kennedy can't be trusted.
Last edited by Swordsmyth; 03-14-2018 at 12:16 PM.
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You're $#@!ing delusional.
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SCROTUS won't touch this with a ten foot pole.
To rule against the ATF on this issue would essentially set the precedent to overturn the entire 1934 NFA.
They could make a narrow ruling against just this regulation citing the facts that a stock is not a firearm and that the ATF has already issued statements that say they don't have the legal authority to ban them.
But Roberts and Kennedy can't be trusted, like I said above.
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ATF Chief tells Congress laws to ban bump fire stocks is best route
By David Shortell, CNN
Updated 12:21 PM ET, Wed March 14, 2018
(CNN)The acting head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives acknowledged Wednesday that he has been told by some attorneys that banning bump fire stocks through executive regulation would lead to court challenges that would delay the implementation of a ban.
Pressed by Democratic Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, ATF Acting Director Thomas Brandon told members of Congress that banning bump stocks through legislation would be "clearly the best route," highlighting the issue with President Donald Trump's promises to ban via executive order the devices, which allow semiautomatic rifles to fire at a faster rate.
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are they going to repeat that lie till it is believed?, which allow semiautomatic rifles to fire at a faster rate.
I have seen the same quote repeated often by many sources..
Like a Damn Talking point..
I can beat any Bump stock with my trigger finger (trigger control),, and hit more targets to boot.
A semi auto will fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled. up to it's maximum rate.
Hell,, it can be done with a Revolver.
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I'm going to call bull$#@!.
12 rounds in under 3 seconds is 240 rounds per minute.
I've seen him shoot 40 rounds in 6 seconds. That's 400 rounds per minute (if he could sustain it without getting tired).
He is the fastest shooter in the world.
Bump fire stocks allow +400 rounds per minute on practically, if not virtually, every design they have.
You aren't coming close to that.
Not that they should be banned, obviously.
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"He is the fastest shooter",, with a revolver.. not a semi auto.. and that was posted simply for the point.
A semi auto will fire on each trigger trip. Bump stocks do the same but use recoil toaid the process.. This make target acquisition horribly inaccurate. You are shooting with a wobbly gun.
A full auto Armalite Rifle will cycle between 600 and 700.. 650 generally.. a practiced trigger can fire perfect 3 round bursts,,
No,, I can not fire that fast,, neither can a bump stock..
But as fast as I CAN PULL A TRIGGER,, I can keep my sights on a target.. and a Bump Stock can NOT.
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This piece of $#@! won't let me type and post but in short, he is the fastest shooter, semi or otherwise and neither you, nor I, nor the next guy can shoot as fast as he (about 6 shots a second is what he shoots).
A bump fire stock allows for more than that, sustained.
He is more accurate, sure. But that wasn't your original metric.
You cannot shoot faster than a bump fire stock.
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Sadly it would cost you a felony to prove that.
I said Trigger Control.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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First search result. There are several vendors.
https://www.ftfindustries.com/category/M16FA.html
Build a lower Full Auto with no #, and Phuck the dumb stuff.. Hide the spare lower,, and shut up about said lower.
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That could have just as easily been 1981.
And I was there for that one.
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Over turning 1934 would be a good starting point .
This is true . If they did only I would have one .
It would be.
That's why they are not going to go near it.
Heh, this one's in the bag, boys!!
No bump stocks turned in to Denver police after ban
Posted 2:28 pm, March 17, 2018, by Associated Press
http://kdvr.com/2018/03/17/no-bump-stocks-turned-in-to-denver-police-after-ban/
Colorado Senate Republicans sink bump stock ban, advance magazine limit repeal
http://gazette.com/colorado-senate-r...rticle/1622955
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"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
This thread may be done.
Trump Overturns Obama-Era Law: Bans All Bump Stock Devices
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...41#post6607041
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Why, yes. Yes it is.
Yup.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Nope, just getting started.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
It's not over until August 20th.
It doesn't look good for Dannno right now but things could change.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
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I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Thats very true. Congress could still get involved and change it back the other way, or SCOTUS.
Not over till the fat lady sings!
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
ATTORNEY GENERAL SESSIONS ANNOUNCES REGULATION EFFECTIVELY BANNING BUMP STOCKS
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-stock-devices
ASHINGTON - Today, 23 March 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that the Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of "machinegun" under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger.
In making the announcement, Attorney General Sessions made the following statement:
"Since the day he took office, President Trump has had no higher priority than the safety of each and every American," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
"That is why today the Department of Justice is publishing for public comment a proposed rulemaking that would define `machinegun' to include bump stock-type devices under federal law - effectively banning them. After the senseless attack in Las Vegas, this proposed rule is a critical step in our effort to reduce the threat of gun violence that is in keeping with the Constitution and the laws passed by Congress. I look forward to working with the President's School Safety Commission to identify other ways to keep our country and our children safe, and I thank the President for his courageous leadership on this issue."
On February 20, 2018, the President issued a memorandum instructing the Attorney General "to dedicate all available resources to... propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns." This NPRM is in response to that direction, and would make clear that the term "machinegun" as used in the National Firearms Act (NFA), as amended, and Gun Control Act (GCA), as amended, includes all bump-stock-type devices that harness recoil energy to facilitate the continuous operation of a semiautomatic long gun after a single pull of the trigger. If the NPRM is made final, bump-stock-type devices would be effectively banned under federal law and current possessors of bump-stock-type devices would be required to surrender, destroy, or otherwise render the devices permanently inoperable.
The comment period for the NPRM is 90 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.
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