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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    ...Predictably, the court split 6–3, with the Republican-appointed justices carving a massive loophole in federal law at the behest of the firearms industry. ...
    That's quite an assumption. Where would they get the idea that the courts or Congress or the Executive branch might do something at the "behest" of an industry? That's just crazy conspiracy talk, if extrapolated, would mean that everyone on the left does what they do on the behest of a corrupt global kleptocracy.
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  3. #542
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    St. Clarence.
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  4. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    You see, if the law is clear, then people might know what it is.

    And if people know what the law is, then they might try to get around it.

    So to prevent that, the law needs to be vague and inscrutable to anyone who isn't a government bureaucrat.

    That way, government bureaucrats will be free to decide if and when to apply it "on a case-by-case basis".
    Quite right.

    Anarcho-tyranny.

    The Marxists are big mad because this ruling may totally erode the foundation of the "Regulation State" which is the cause of most of tyranny we suffer from.
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  5. #544
    This needs to be emphasized for @spudea, @Swordsmyth and @dannno and anyone else thinking that Donald Trump's treason on bumpfire stocks was "3D chess" and drinking the "he has to attack the 2nd amendment to defend it" Kool Aid. He also championed red flag laws and pushed assault weapons bans before ever running for president and again after being president.

    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Extreme risk protection orders (ERPOs), colloquially known as “red flag” laws, aim to disarm potential mass shooters before they carry out their deadly crimes. Following recent attacks in Texas and Ohio, adopting a federal red flag statute has attracted supporters from both parties, including Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). It seems like an easy win. Who would oppose keeping firearms away from those suffering from homicidal ideation?

    Yet lost in the clamor for stricter gun control are the unintended consequences of red flag laws. Already enacted in 17 states (all but two of which voted for Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election), the primary petitioner in each state apart from Vermont is law enforcement. Most states also allow family members to initiate an ERPO; Hawaii even allows a co-worker to petition.

    In the same vein, Feinstein has proposed a bill mandating that law enforcement must be included as a petitioner, and states are free to add other entities to the list.

    Police officers do an excellent job of protecting citizens when called upon, but their track record as arbiters of constitutional law is less than stellar (see civil forfeiture). Further, empowering police to punish “would-be criminals” in a Minority Report-esque fashion should raise red flags of its own.

    In August, journalist Stephen Gutowski drew attention to a case in Philadelphia where NBC News reported that police had seized a “massive arsenal” including “multiple grenades” from a suicidal man. In reality, the 39 guns and inert grenades belonged to an elderly hobbyist who had been building his collection since youth. Despite committing no crime, nor making any homicidal threats, he now faces the prospect of seeing that collection destroyed while being villainized as a dangerous criminal. While Pennsylvania has yet to enact a red flag law, we can expect to see an upswing in such cases should a federal law pass.

    Worse, red flag laws, including Feinstein’s bill, allow judges to issue ERPOs ex parte, meaning the victim is not notified nor do they have any judicial recourse to prevent the initial seizure of their firearms. In Maryland, where approximately 40 petitions are granted each month, Anne Arundel police conducted a pre-dawn ERPO raid on 60-year-old man at the home he shared with his sibling’s family. Police say a scuffle ensued when he grasped a gun lying next to the door, resulting in Gary Willis being shot dead in his own doorway.

    Finally, Feinstein’s bill would punish red states because of how our federalist system works. Since the federal government is constitutionally prohibited from enacting criminal law, apart from unique cases such as piracy on the high seas, Feinstein’s bill would force states to comply by withholding grant funding from states that refuse:

    “For each of the fiscal years 2020 through 2024, the attorney general shall give affirmative preference in awarding any discretionary grant by the Bureau of Justice Assistance to a state or Indian tribe that has enacted legislation described in Section 4.”

    In simple terms, police departments in blue states will receive priority consideration for $435 million in federal funding, and red states that supported President Trump will suffer.

    Even setting aside these constitutional and political concerns, are these weapon seizures, based on “pre-crime” reports from police, roommates and co-workers, worth the price?

    You might be inclined to answer “yes” based on the public outrage over mass shooters. Last year, Pew Research found that 57 percent of teens worry about shootings at their schools. In August, a Harris Poll found that 79 percent of adults experienced some stress about mass shootings and one-third actively avoid places they fear are vulnerable to shooters.

    But there is a monumental disconnect between media-driven public perception and reality. While studies have found that mass shootings have increased since the 20th century, only 51 deaths are attributed to such crimes each year. In comparison, 243 people are struck by lightning in the U.S., and 102 people die each day in car accidents.

    That’s not to say mass shootings should be ignored. After all, public education is credited with reducing lightning deaths. But red flag laws, which suffer from dubious efficacy, are not the path forward. Instead, we should focus on research-backed approaches.

    For example, we must confront the uncomfortable reality that media coverage of mass shootings may lead to more mass shootings. Each shooter receives an estimated $75 million in earned media, which the Los Angeles Times has dubbed an “incentive to perform.” This coverage only amplifies the contagion effect, which results in more mass shootings in the 13 days following a mass shooting. Likewise, Columbia Journalism Review has called for a media reckoning to avoid “further contributing to the uniquely American crisis of mass killings.”

    Let’s begin by changing what we know contributes to mass shootings before resorting to dystopian pre-crime prosecution strategies that trample the constitutional rights of our fellow Americans.

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    Last edited by jmdrake; 06-17-2024 at 04:53 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  7. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    This needs to be emphasized for @spudea, @Swordsmyth and @dannno and anyone else thinking that Donald Trump's treason on bumpfire stocks was "3D chess" and drinking the "he has to attack the 2nd amendment to defend it" Kool Aid. He also championed red flag laws and pushed assault weapons bans before ever running for president and again after being president.
    Trump gave them nothing but a bag of hot air about red flag laws and AW bans to defuse the clamor for gun control.
    And he gave a us a SCOTUS that will end all of that nonsense forever.
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  8. #546
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    ...and drinking the "he has to attack the 2nd amendment to defend it" Kool Aid.
    The Kool Aid is very addictive. Some think it's to die for.

  9. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump gave them nothing but a bag of hot air about red flag laws and AW bans to defuse the clamor for gun control.
    And he gave a us a SCOTUS that will end all of that nonsense forever.
    False, he approved a violation of the 2nd Amendment and wanted to do another one with the red flag laws. At best he gave the enemies cover and bolstered their position about banning guns. That's not what a true 2nd Amendment supporting President would do. He should have demanded congress repeal the NFA and then begin dismantling the ATF as much as possible from the White House. But he didn't because he doesn't care about the 2nd Amendment because he is a former New York Democrat who occasionally does and says some good things on other issues.
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  10. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    False, he approved a violation of the 2nd Amendment and wanted to do another one with the red flag laws. At best he gave the enemies cover and bolstered their position about banning guns. That's not what a true 2nd Amendment supporting President would do. He should have demanded congress repeal the NFA and then begin dismantling the ATF as much as possible from the White House. But he didn't because he doesn't care about the 2nd Amendment because he is a former New York Democrat who occasionally does and says some good things on other issues.
    WRONG.
    While I disagree with his strategy it was clearly a skillful manipulation of politics and the media.
    The wind was taken out of the sails of the media/political push for gun control in exchange for empty words and a temporary ban on a useless gimmick accessory that was guaranteed to end with the ATF losing power to legislate from the bench.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  11. #549
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    False, he approved a violation of the 2nd Amendment and wanted to do another one with the red flag laws. At best he gave the enemies cover and bolstered their position about banning guns. That's not what a true 2nd Amendment supporting President would do. He should have demanded congress repeal the NFA and then begin dismantling the ATF as much as possible from the White House. But he didn't because he doesn't care about the 2nd Amendment because he is a former New York Democrat who occasionally does and says some good things on other issues.

    And what's with the Federally Funded Nationwide "Stop and Frisk" with Local LEO Immunity that Trump is now touting? He goes from violating the 2nd Amendment right to the 4th.


    I'm sure @Swordsmyth will have a reason for that too.
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  12. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I'm sure @Swordsmyth will have a reason for that too.
    Oh, once he packs the Supreme Court with all the yugest, bestest people they're sure to strike down all his treasonous pet policies.

    After they've violated our rights for a few years while the cases percolate up through the appellate courts.

  13. #551

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    WRONG.
    While I disagree with his strategy it was clearly a skillful manipulation of politics and the media.
    The wind was taken out of the sails of the media/political push for gun control in exchange for empty words and a temporary ban on a useless gimmick accessory that was guaranteed to end with the ATF losing power to legislate from the bench.
    You clearly don't know anything about political strategy LOL
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  14. #552
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    You clearly don't know anything about political strategy LOL
    More than you ever will.
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  16. #553
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    This needs to be emphasized for @spudea, @Swordsmyth and @dannno and anyone else thinking that Donald Trump's treason on bumpfire stocks was "3D chess" and drinking the "he has to attack the 2nd amendment to defend it" Kool Aid. He also championed red flag laws and pushed assault weapons bans before ever running for president and again after being president.
    So ridiculous and flawed. Neither of those things happened during his presidency. And he mentioned red flag laws one time, got criticized for it, people like Rand and Cruz were able to talk to him about it, and he never mentioned it again.

    Meanwhile Biden actively campaigns on those things.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
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    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  17. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    False, he approved a violation of the 2nd Amendment and wanted to do another one with the red flag laws. At best he gave the enemies cover and bolstered their position about banning guns. That's not what a true 2nd Amendment supporting President would do. He should have demanded congress repeal the NFA and then begin dismantling the ATF as much as possible from the White House. But he didn't because he doesn't care about the 2nd Amendment because he is a former New York Democrat who occasionally does and says some good things on other issues.
    Exactly. And now that he has been repudiated by his own justices, it would be foolish to expect him to make similar judicial nominations (nominations that he only made at the behest of others against his own preferences) in his lame duck term.
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  18. #555
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump gave them nothing but a bag of hot air about red flag laws and AW bans to defuse the clamor for gun control.
    And he gave a us a SCOTUS that will end all of that nonsense forever.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    So ridiculous and flawed. Neither of those things happened during his presidency. And he mentioned red flag laws one time, got criticized for it, people like Rand and Cruz were able to talk to him about it, and he never mentioned it again.

    Meanwhile Biden actively campaigns on those things.
    He first talked about wanting an assault weapons ban in his 2000 book "The America You Deserve" and 8 years later he was campaigning for Hillary Clinton! You all forget that Bill and Hillary asked Trump to run as a Republican. The man is an empty suit that can be filled with whatever someone else needs at the moment as long as the sufficiently stroke his ego. Don't get me wrong. That can be advantageous at times. I think that's what @Anti Federalist sees in Trump. Trump's no patriot, but at times he can do some good because, unlike the Biden's and Clinton's of the world, he's not actively trying to undermine America as much as he possibly can. In a world as screwed up as this sometimes that works out for good. 4D chess my ass. More like Mr. Magoo.

    Last edited by jmdrake; 06-17-2024 at 11:34 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  19. #556
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    He first talked about wanting an assault weapons ban in his 2000 book "The America You Deserve" and 8 years later he was campaigning for Hillary Clinton! You all forget that Bill and Hillary asked Trump to run as a Republican. The man is an empty suit that can be filled with whatever someone else needs at the moment as long as the sufficiently stroke his ego. Don't get me wrong. That can be advantageous at times. I think that's what @Anti Federalist sees in Trump. Trump's no patriot, but at times he can do some good because, unlike the Biden's and Clinton's of the world, he's not actively trying to undermine America as much as he possibly can. In a world as screwed up as this sometimes that works out for good. 4D chess my ass. More like Mr. Magoo.

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  20. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    He first talked about wanting an assault weapons ban in his 2000 book "The America You Deserve" and 8 years later he was campaigning for Hillary Clinton! You all forget that Bill and Hillary asked Trump to run as a Republican. The man is an empty suit that can be filled with whatever someone else needs at the moment as long as the sufficiently stroke his ego. Don't get me wrong. That can be advantageous at times. I think that's what @Anti Federalist sees in Trump. Trump's no patriot, but at times he can do some good because, unlike the Biden's and Clinton's of the world, he's not actively trying to undermine America as much as he possibly can. In a world as screwed up as this sometimes that works out for good. 4D chess my ass. More like Mr. Magoo.

    Correct analysis.

    I don't think the man has any core principles other than I think he has a sincere, if naïve, love for the country and its people.

    Outside of that, he'll bounce around like Sheriff Ping Ping Ping Ricochet Rabbit, from one policy to another, depending on how convincing the person in his ear is.

    He seems to be listening to Ron and Rand and Mises and Massie somewhat, and this should be encouraged.

    And why not make the comparison, yes, I would rather have a puppet listening to men like that, than the puppet we currently have and whatever bunch of Marxist maggots that have his ear.

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  21. #558
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Correct analysis.

    I don't think the man has any core principles other than I think he has a sincere, if naïve, love for the country and its people.

    Outside of that, he'll bounce around like Sheriff Ping Ping Ping Ricochet Rabbit, from one policy to another, depending on how convincing the person in his ear is.

    He seems to be listening to Ron and Rand and Mises and Massie somewhat, and this should be encouraged.

    And why not make the comparison, yes, I would rather have a puppet listening to men like that, than the puppet we currently have and whatever bunch of Marxist maggots that have his ear.

    Love the old cartoons! This wouldn't be able to be made today. Speedy Gonzales lethargic cousin "Slowpoke Rodriguez."



    Note the 2nd Amendment reference at 2:05.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  22. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, once he packs the Supreme Court with all the yugest, bestest people they're sure to strike down all his treasonous pet policies.

    After they've violated our rights for a few years while the cases percolate up through the appellate courts.
    This SCOTUS hasn't been perfect by any stretch, but it has not been half bad.

    The Granville ruling just the other day, may in fact be the legal way to utterly dismantle the regulation state.
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  23. #560
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Love the old cartoons! This wouldn't be able to be made today. Speedy Gonzales lethargic cousin "Slowpoke Rodriguez."



    Note the 2nd Amendment reference at 2:05.
    LOL, epic.

    The WWII Warner Bros. cartoon era was just hilarious.

    So was Yosemite Sam in various historical contexts.

    Try this today...



    I've seen this a thousand times, if once, and it cracks me up every single damn time.

    "Jibe the jib boob..."

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 06-17-2024 at 01:22 PM.
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  25. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    WRONG.
    While I disagree with his strategy it was clearly a skillful manipulation of politics and the media.
    The proof that it was not a "strategy" is that he hasn't bragged about it.

    He brags about literally everything including his $#@!ty "vaccines"

    Unless of course he's playing (4-d)^2 chess where he doesn't want to brag about it so not to tip them off about it so he can do the same move again..... which is of course what he is doing, what am I thinking, he is a GENIUS
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  26. #562
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The proof that it was not a "strategy" is that he hasn't bragged about it.

    He brags about literally everything including his $#@!ty "vaccines"

    Unless of course he's playing (4-d)^2 chess where he doesn't want to brag about it so not to tip them off about it so he can do the same move again..... which is of course what he is doing, what am I thinking, he is a GENIUS
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TheTexan again.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #563
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    You see, if the law is clear, then people might know what it is.

    And if people know what the law is, then they might try to get around it.

    So to prevent that, the law needs to be vague and inscrutable to anyone who isn't a government bureaucrat.

    That way, government bureaucrats will be free to decide if and when to apply it "on a case-by-case basis".

    Here’s an entire documentary revealing some of the “really careful work going on at ATF.”

    That includes “really careful work” like:

    Planting evidence
    Manufacturing evidence
    Institutionalized perjury
    Entrapping innocent people into committing “crimes” that would never have happened lacking ATF influence
    Focusing enforcement efforts on minor paperwork violations as opposed to real criminal acts
    And even one attempt to reclassify a length of shoelace with a loop tied on one end as a “machine gun”

    These thugs have been a criminal organization since their inception.

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    Chris

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    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  28. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Here’s an entire documentary revealing some of the “really careful work going on at ATF.”

    That includes “really careful work” like:

    Planting evidence
    Manufacturing evidence
    Institutionalized perjury
    Entrapping innocent people into committing “crimes” that would never have happened lacking ATF influence
    Focusing enforcement efforts on minor paperwork violations as opposed to real criminal acts
    And even one attempt to reclassify a length of shoelace with a loop tied on one end as a “machine gun”

    These thugs have been a criminal organization since their inception.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...s-amp-Freedoms
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CCTelander again.

  29. #565
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    So ridiculous and flawed. Neither of those things happened during his presidency. And he mentioned red flag laws one time, got criticized for it, people like Rand and Cruz were able to talk to him about it, and he never mentioned it again.

    Meanwhile Biden actively campaigns on those things.
    That's why Trump is just a half-assed gun-grabber, whereas Biden, et al. are full-assed gun-grabbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The man is an empty suit that can be filled with whatever someone else needs at the moment as long as they sufficiently stroke his ego.
    Just exactly so:
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Trump is a feckless narcissist who seems to value present sycophancy over prior disparagement, especially when doing so can be exploited to present himself in a flattering light - such as by presenting himself as a magnanimous "uniter" who doesn't hold grudges. He certainly doesn't have any principles upon which to base such decisions, so all bets are off, and anyone who bends the knee and kisses his ass enough (whether in good faith or not) is in the running.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Don't get me wrong. That can be advantageous at times. I think that's what @Anti Federalist sees in Trump. Trump's no patriot, but at times he can do some good because, unlike the Biden's and Clinton's of the world, he's not actively trying to undermine America as much as he possibly can. In a world as screwed up as this sometimes that works out for good.
    Correct analysis.

    I don't think the man has any core principles other than I think he has a sincere, if naïve, love for the country and its people.
    Also just so:
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [T]he irony of it is that Trump, who operates with no principles, and though it's not a high bar, still manages to be better than Biden (or rather, Biden's handlers), who operate with bad principles.

    Having no principles, Trump is apt to occasionally say or (try to) do the right thing (or at least the not-as-bad thing), even if only accidentally. Nothing done by the progressive leftists (or their cynical and opportunistic would-be manipulators, like Biden, Pelosi, et al.) is done by accident.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Outside of that, he'll bounce around like Sheriff Ping Ping Ping Ricochet Rabbit, from one policy to another, depending on how convincing the person in his ear is.
    I think there's another important factor involved here as well: his narcissism motivates an overriding concern for his "legacy".

    For just one example (which is also the most obvious): I suspect his desire to be regarded by posterity as the man who saved his country from an "historic global pandemic" is the primary factor in his refusal to acknowledge that his and his administration's stances and policies with respect to COVID (i.e., the rushed "vaccines", Operation Warp Speed, etc.) were problematic in any serious or significant way (rather than the colossal and ill-advised cluster$#@! they actually were).
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-17-2024 at 08:12 PM.

  30. #566
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    They're coping and seething and seething and coping ...

    https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/1801975437381316721


    The Group Helping the Supreme Court Rewrite America’s Gun Laws Is Worse Than the NRA
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...mp-stocks.html
    {Dahlia Lithwick & Mark Joseph Stern | 15 June 2024}

    [bold & underline emphasis added - OB]

    [...]

    David Pucino: [...] The volume of work that comes out of the administrative state is not something that the Supreme Court can analyze in this way, at least not in any sort of reasonable manner, and I don’t think they would ever even pretend to. But what you have here is a particular, favored constituency that is bringing these questions. And then, all of a sudden, the court decides to drop everything and figure out how this gun works. Now, the way ATF does that is to sit down and actually look at the firearm. They’re going to bring in their experts and make those determinations. But the way the Supreme Court does it is they look at an amicus brief by the Firearms Policy Coalition and co-sign it.

    Lithwick: That’s the group that created the six graphics and a gif that Justice Thomas used to illustrate how semiautomatic rifles work. Why was it notable that he copied and pasted their material into a Supreme Court opinion?

    Pucino: The National Rifle Association is not what it used to be, and that’s created a gap. And what has gone into the gap are a bunch of further-right organizations that are trying to take the mantle of the NRA by being as extreme as possible. Foremost among them is the Firearms Policy Coalition. Friday was a real moment for them. It’s one of the most extreme groups; it uses extraordinarily violent rhetoric. And it’s putting out material that’s getting blessed by a majority opinion of the Supreme Court. You have to take a step back and look at where we are—I don’t think that’s anything you could imagine happening even 10 years ago.

    [...]
    And those are just the warm-ups for FPC's own SCOTUS case:

  31. #567

    Thumbs down

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    More than you ever will.
    As the guy who has passed some form of permitless carry in 3 states, and gotten multiple pieces of legislation killed in multiple states, you're wrong. Please tell me about your legislative/political accomplishments....
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  32. #568
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The proof that it was not a "strategy" is that he hasn't bragged about it.

    He brags about literally everything including his $#@!ty "vaccines"

    Unless of course he's playing (4-d)^2 chess where he doesn't want to brag about it so not to tip them off about it so he can do the same move again..... which is of course what he is doing, what am I thinking, he is a GENIUS
    You don't brag about your most successful strategies.
    You brag to keep the enemy focused on what you brag about and missing what you don't want them to see.
    It's a magic act.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  34. #569
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You don't brag about your most successful strategies.
    You brag to keep the enemy focused on what you brag about and missing what you don't want them to see.
    It's a magic act.
    Yes, I believe that was covered in chapter 3 of Art of the Deal
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

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  35. #570
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You don't brag about your most successful strategies.
    You brag to keep the enemy focused on what you brag about and missing what you don't want them to see.
    It's a magic act.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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