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"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
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People need weapons to keep our government from taking away our rights. I think our government should not be able to keep or bear any arms we are not allowed to keep or bear. (If one person can't have them, then a group of people can't have them and officials with fine hats can't have them.) Since government can't constitutionally restrict the scope of arms we can keep and bear, I think it's up to the people to agree not to keep or bear weapons of mass indiscriminate damage, or even infantry weapons - and then hold our government to those standards or revolt if it refuses to agree.
Am I out of touch? Is there legislation saying that government may restrict our arms, and that groups of people approved by those restricting our arms may ignore those restrictions? I am still learning, developing my opinions and convictions.
Is this the right thread for my concerns? I only read the first 3 or 4 pages.
If you find this to be a worthwhile message, spread it throughout the land.
Ron Paul
Wise man.
There surely is such legislation, and more on the way.
Are you out of touch? Probably. Does your idea have merit? Definitely! But take heart. Maybe your Official State Rand Paul Campaign Coordinator will let you have a nuclear-tipped ICBM or two.
Failing that, yes, I'm all for restricting weapons of mass destruction to the garbage heap of history. But like the gun control nuts, I am at a loss how to eliminate the thousands that already exist. I am certain, however, that restricting them to the generals and politicians--the most psychotic elements in our society--was not such a grand plan.
I would like to dis-invent WMDs but that genie can't be put back in the bottle, now that they exist MAD is required since nobody can trust anybody in geopolitics.
I don't like limiting them to governments but letting any idiot have them is worse in my opinion, WMDs are different from ordinary weapons.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Which is, of course, where gun control nuts go astray. They actually think they can get a genie back in the bottle.
And there's the rub. Where do you draw the line between 'ordinary weapons' and 'different'? Some say single-shot muzzleloaders. Some say full auto. Some say tanks and artillery. Not many, but some.
No matter where you draw the line, everything above that line is something your friendly government, which loves you and wants you to be happy, is going to stockpile.
Seems like other than extreme right wing of Israel Firster zionists/pro Syria intervention neocons camp, there is little genuine and sincere support left for Trump from his allies? Good part of GOP base still sees him as the "lesser evil" having stung by Obama but for for how long he will be able to keep "holding their noses" conservatives' support if he returned to his Schumer roots as some are predicting?
Donald Trump donated $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation
August 28th, 2016
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...on-foundation/
Gun owners turn on Donald Trump over plans to bring in tighter restrictions
'Out in the firearms community there is a great feeling of betrayal and abandonment,' says Colorado Sports Shooting Association's president
3 hours ago http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-gun-owners-control-florida-shooting-bump-stock-nra-latest-a8226461.html
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Still a chance nothing comes from it just allot of talk. With Ivanka in his ear and his statements on guns going back to the 90s it is a cause of concern.President has made no formal commitment to his gun control measures and has yet to propose a legislative timetable.
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Mr Paradis said: "Trump can propose anything he wants but it's got to get through two houses of Congress and the Supreme Court,"
If something else dominates the news cycle all this will be forgotten in a few months.
Nullification!
If I don't think society should have something, I am definitely not going to let my government have it. And if the government already has it, society needs a way of protecting itself against that government. I don't have an answer as to how. Private sector free market solution to countering/stopping nuclear weapons?
A transparent government is necessary, we can get that through infiltration... easier said than done. I guess it's just a philosophical argument for now, until we can do something about it. A surge in the r3VO_|ution is in order.
If you find this to be a worthwhile message, spread it throughout the land.
Ron Paul
STFU about me and stop replying to my posts then.
If I did not know how this started and there was not this three year flame war I would think you simply got me mixed up with someone else.
I never denied that and you are simply making $#@! up to fit your narrative of me being some big Trump supporter here.
When all it was is evaluating policy both good and bad related to Trump in the 2016 Campaign Forum and that he would be my second choice.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
So far, government is succeeding in convincing most people that we don't need protection from it, and do need protection from each other. Is it insanity--or, at least, a state of denial? Or is it just media engineered ignorance?
The government can't achieve the tyranny it seeks without tipping its hand. The question is, will society protect itself from its government? History does not make me hopeful.
Trump wants to be the guy that passes gun control. This is something he truly believes in, plus if he passes gun control he will be succeeding where his predecessors failed, which is also very important to him. This is entirely the scariest part about Trumps pysche, he truly wants to be different, he truly thinks that the neocons just didn't know how to win, he truly thinks the previous presidents failed at gun control because they didn't perform well enough. Trump is not going to give up on this, just like he didn't give up on making sure Rand Paul wasn't the nominee.
I was very very very upset when TheDailyPaul was shut down. I had invested a lot of time there and here at RonPaulForums. I think now I see what he was worried about as this forum devolves into another medium for statists. I've never though I'd be for RonPaulForums being shut down but if there's no way for us to get "back to our roots" maybe that's what should happen. I hate to see this forum being abused daily...
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Christian Anarchy - Our Only Hope For Liberty In Our Lifetime!
Sonmi 451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChristianAnarchist
Use an internet archive site like THIS ONE
to archive the article and create the link to the article content instead.
There are times I've felt like a hostage to the good names of Ron and Rand Paul. I think if this is to be nothing but a playground for partisans and Trumpbots, the Pauls' good name should be taken off the place. Maybe Judge Nap didn't think twice about racists sullying Ron Paul by association. And maybe Bryan doesn't either. But it bothers me.
Liberty Forest? Sure, let that be a place for partisan divide and conquer bull$#@!. But keeping the Doctors Paul on the masthead as the place is allowed--nay, with somewhat liberal but very responsible people banned at the behest of Bolton spammers, encouraged--to go to weed and seed is just disgusting. I mean, 'a Muslim ban is libertarian'? Collectivist libertarianism? $#@!ing seriously?
No wonder lurking seldom puts me in a good mood any more.
Take the Paul name off the masthead. Clean it up or disassociate their good names from it. Seriously.
Call it verystablegeniusland.com.
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