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Just heard the Orange One on the teevee in the other room.
It's not just bump stocks.
It's any device, bump stock or similar devices.
Way to go.
Orange Obama.
You said that you were fine with that reality, nobody who understands the 2ndA should be fine with it.
The obvious line is infantry weapons, anything more restrictive can't be argued for without violating the point of the 2ndA, history might actually be on the side of larger weapons and ordinance since their equivalents were available to private citizens in the founders' time.
The only line I would draw is weapons of mass indiscriminate damage.
No, it is always bad to concede anything to the gun-grabbers, they are never satisfied but it continues the culture that creates people like spudea who are "fine" with the auto ban.
Last edited by Swordsmyth; 02-20-2018 at 10:02 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Right. I thought about saying that but felt like it goes without saying. Anytime you stick the camel's nose under the tent on any issue, it doesn't end there.
What I find interesting is Republicans are most effective on taxes and guns. They basically take a zero tolerance stand on both issues, even though there is always temptation to bend. I think it helps politically yet they don't do it on any other issues. Maybe abortion to a lesser extent.
Last edited by Krugminator2; 02-20-2018 at 10:20 PM.
It's for the children!
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Let's see if Dopey Sessions wakes up to get this done.
It'll be a fine addition to his record: Asset Forfeiture, Legal Weed and Gun Control.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Wow lads.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-on-any-front/White House on ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban: ‘We Haven’t Closed Doors on Any Front’
During Tuesday’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders was asked about a proposed “assault weapons” ban and said, “We haven’t closed the door on any front.”
NPR’s Mara Liasson asked, “In 2000 [President Trump] did support an ‘assault weapons’ ban. What is his position now?” She followed her own question by asking if President Trump supports “reinstating” the 1994-2004 federal “assault weapons” ban.
CNN reported that Sanders responded by saying, “I don’t have any specific announcements, but we haven’t closed the door on any front.”
You know, I've been doing this liberty activism thing for over 40 years now. In all that time, this has been the consistent pattern with Republicans, and they almost always do it when it comes to guns. They NEVER dig in and demand what their constituency wants, especially on guns. It's happened over and over again. Give them the majority and they never fail to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And people never learn.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
One possibility to consider is that all of this is intended to help gun sales and nothing is going to happen after they panic people into buying their overstock.
Just to be clear: I condemn that possibility as much as I condemn gun control.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said President Trump's plan to order a ban on "bump stocks" is not enough, and that her legislation codifying the ban should be taken up in Congress.
Feinstein pointed to a statement from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives last year that they lacked the power to ban the devices, which can increase a gun's rate of fire.
Feinstein last year introduced a bill to ban bump stocks as well as similar devices.
“If ATF tries to ban these devices after admitting repeatedly that it lacks the authority to do so, that process could be tied up in court for years, and that would mean bump stocks would continue to be sold. Legislation is the only answer," Feinstein said in a statement Tuesday.
More at: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/de...rticle/2649570
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
lol... look at that.. average 5-10 posts per hour of people infuriated that Trump passed some completely ineffective gun control, as soon as it is reported as ineffective there is no posts for 2+ hours..
I wonder why people always forget about how this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME??
@Anti Federalist (was outta rep btw, respect your comments)
Last edited by dannno; 02-21-2018 at 02:09 AM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I thought you lived on the west coast. You can't post in the middle of the night and get mad not one response to your fake news. Next you are going to make some argument that Hillary would of been a more effective neocon and Trump is digging his heels in the ground to stop the mcmasters. The truth is, this is the only thing Trump could do politically, but its still the deep state's attack against the 2nd amendment, death by a thousand cuts.
I would be calling bull$#@! if it was a president Paul too. That's the difference between Paul' supporters and populists. The media said that we were Rands harshest critics, and it was the truth. Now we know some of that was manufactured by the deep state since they started in 2014. Trump acting like he wasn't part of the action in 2014 is him trying to whitewash the fact that he was a cheerleader for Romney in 2012, I bet you he will be a cheerleader for Romney in 2018.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
What we have found out is that the government has been using tax dollars to rig elections not only in other countries but ours, but they funnel money tax money into special interest groups that pay people to sow discord so that people don't vote. We are going to argue over peoples infatuation with Trumps personality though, instead of take our country back like we should.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I knew this whole thing was going to fizzle within 10 hours... totally called it. It always fizzles out within a day or two.. you have a few laggers who still think he means it, then nothing happens and everybody forgets that they were wrong last time when it happens again.
I can't believe some of you guys still aren't seeing the pattern here..
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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