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    Murder by Gun Control

    I posted this earlier in another thread but, upon further reflection, thought it probably deserved a thread of its own.

    Murder by Gun Control
    by L. Neil Smith
    lneil@lneilsmith.org

    Special to TLE

    Why is everybody being so damned polite?

    No sane individual living in the last days of the 20th century would knowingly welcome Nazis, the KGB, the Khmer Rouge, the ATF, or the FBI into their homes. We've learned too much from what happened to Jews in Germany, Kulaks in Russia, "landlords" in China, everybody in Cambodia, and victims of state terrorism at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

    But let the Jackbooted Thugs' Ladies' Auxiliary slap on makeup and broomstick skirts, let them prattle in squeaky little girl voices and breathe their vegetarian breath all over us, and for some reason we think we have to ask them in and offer them chamomile tea.

    Well, to hell with that. I used to give a lecture at the local university that began like this: "Until this morning you could plead ignorance for positions you take or fail to take on the moral and political issues of the day. When you leave this classroom an hour from now, having heard the facts I'm about to present, it'll either be as a brand new libertarian, or as a fully self-aware fascist monster."

    Today I say the same to politicians, bureaucrats, cops, Handgun Control, Inc., Colorado Governor Bill Owens, and those so miserably lacking in originality that they had to plagiarize Louis Farrakan (of all people) and launch a "Million Moms March". Also, anybody else who thinks it's morally acceptable to use the hired guns of government to take everybody else's guns away.

    Gun control may have felt like a nice, warm, fuzzy idea to its advocates back in the 1960s. However today, owing to a great deal of serious legal and historical scholarship -- and a series of horrifying but highly educational events -- anyone who wishes to violate the fundamental covenant on which this nation is based, by attempting to outlaw personal weapons, has to get past three extremely inconvenient but absolutely incontrovertible facts.

    (1) Every year, in this nation of more than a quarter billion individuals, a few thousand (three quarters of them suicides) are killed with firearms, while _millions_ of Americans successfully use personal weapons to save themselves and others from injury or death. Guns save many, many times more lives than they take.

    (2) In every jurisdiction that has made it even microscopically easier for individuals to carry weapons, violent crime rates have plummeted by double-digit percentages. Vermont, where no permission of any kind is required to carry a gun, is named in many respectable surveys as the safest state to live in.

    (3) More telling and urgent, every episode of genocidal mass murder in history has been preceded by a period of intense disarming of the civil population, usually with "public safety" or "national security" as an excuse. According to Amnesty International -- hardly a gang of right wing crazies -- in the 20th century alone (in events entirely separate from war), governments have slaughtered more than a hundred million people, usually their own citizens.

    The U.S. is far from immune. Look up "Operation Keelhaul".

    Clearly, if those millions had been armed, they couldn't have been murdered by their own governments. And if the governments hadn't known where all the weapons were and who possessed them, the people couldn't have been disarmed. It follows, then, that no amount of gun control -- especially "soft" measures like registering guns or gun owners -- is reasonable or safe. Those who tremble at the idea of personal weapons -- "hoplophobes" is the diagnostic term -- are fond of saying that guns are made for only one purpose. Well, gun control serves only one purpose, too -- the incapacitation and extermination of whole peoples.

    That's why we call it by its right name: "victim disarmament".

    If you think it can't happen here, ask Donald Scott (look him up, too). Ask Vicky and Sammy Weaver. Ask 82 innocent men, women, and children (two dozen beautiful, harmless, helpless little children) from the Seventh Day Adventist church at Mount Carmel near Waco, Texas. Oops, you can't ask them, can you? Because they're all dead -- murdered in cold blood by government terrorists who have yet to be brought to justice.

    Let's ask some questions that everybody on my side's been too polite -- too damned polite -- to ask before.

    What kind of mind would sacrifice millions for the sake of a few thousands, especially when it's been demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that victim disarmament can't save even those thousands?

    What kind of mind wants a return to mean streets and ever-soaring crime rates?

    What kind of mind collaborates with agents of mass murder and genocide?

    Make no mistake: you victim disarmament types are sick, sick people, in the words of T.D. Melrose, who'd rather see a woman raped in an alley and strangled with her own pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand.

    You're people, down deep in your blackened, shriveled souls, who wait like vultures, secretly delighted whenever atrocities like the Columbine shootings occur -- atrocities whose only significance to you is their usefulness in advancing your political agenda. Dancing in the blood of innocents, just like the lying, thieving, murdering rapist you've sent to the White House twice in a row.

    You're people who, like German voters in the 1930s, have empowered and unleashed on your decent and unsuspecting neighbors the most evil and violent terrorist bureaucracy in American history.

    You're people, in short, who must be stupid, insane, or evil to continue arguing -- in the face of indisputable facts and irrefutable logic -- that others must be forced into a state of helplessness and victimized by individual criminals or the state.

    Stupid, insane, or evil.

    You are morally responsible for what happened at Waco. It was undertaken (bad choice of words, probably) by your favorite agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, at your behest, in your name, in pursuance of the policies you've always advocated. The blood of those babies, of their mommies and daddies, is on your head. You did it. You killed them as surely as if it were your hands at the controls of those tanks.

    Stupid, insane, or evil.

    Harsh words, but what's the point in being polite to advocates of mass murder and genocide? Those are the alernatives: stupid, insane, or evil. Smart people, sane people, good people know, in the words of Robert A. Heinlein, that "An armed society is a polite society."

    If you were interested in saving lives -- even one life -- you'd join me in demanding that the Bill of Rights be stringently enforced, that the 25,000 gun laws on he books (each and every one illegal, each and every one responsible for the injury or death of countless individuals) be repealed, nullified, or otherwise disposed of.

    Immediately.

    For the children.

    You'd agree that, as long as we permit the public school system to continue to exist, it has an obligation to instruct children, starting in kindergarten, in the safe and effective use of firearms.

    Allow me to repeat that: "safe and effective use".

    Emphasis on "effective".

    Now don't go all soft and skooshy on me. I can see the razor wire and bayonets behind your New Age gobbledegook. I can hear the tramp, tramp, tramp as you goose-step to the Horst Wessel Song. I can smell the first faint traces of gas seeping from your chambers of death.

    Let's make it clear for the dimmest bulbs among you: the kids at Columbine High didn't die from too many guns, they died from too few. I'm not suggesting that the teachers should have carried guns -- not as franchised agents of the state. They should have carried guns as ordinary individuals, exercising a sacred right, and in performance of a solemn duty to protect the young lives that were placed -- very foolishly, as it turned out -- in their hands.

    What's more, those young lives needed weapons, too. Instead, they were forbidden the means of self-defense -- even, in effct, the knowledge of self-defense -- and like millions of victims before them, their numbers were added to the ongoing Gun Control Holocaust.

    And you killed them.

    Stupid, insane, or evil.

    You killed them all.

    How many more helpless individuals will have to die for you -- be sacrificed on the altar of your nice, warm, fuzzy idea -- before you see what you've done? Don Kates, Gary Kleck, Sandford Levinson, John Lott, all were card-carrying liberal college professors who somehow forced themselves to look at the facts instead of the lint in their bellybuttons. All (and others) have reached the conclusion that the Second Amendment says exactly what we "gun nuts" always claimed it did, and that society is better off if its members have personal weapons handy. " More Guns, Less Crime" is how Lott puts it.

    "Million Moms March", indeed. When you came to my town of 100,000, all you could attract was four deluded idiots. There were 16 times that number out in the parking lot, picketing your meeting!

    Measly, Miniscule March.

    Stupid, insane, or evil. Those are the choices. Be honest. Call yourselves "Mush Minded Morons" if you decide that stupid is the least intolerable of the options available. If you choose insane, how about "Mentally Mangled Messes"? If you want to go straight to evil, "Mass Murdering Monsters". They're alliterative as hell, and truthful.

    Stupid, insane, or evil. Like it or not, after today, those three words are going to start hanging around your necks like the fabled rotting albatross until, no matter where you go, no matter what you try to say, the first association your presence calls up in people's minds will be "mass murdering genocides".

    Stupid, insane, or evil.

    Or all of the above.

    Your choice.

    L. Neil Smith is publisher of The Libertarian Enterprise and author of 24 books including The Probability Broach, The Lando Calrissian Adventures, Forge of the Elders (forthcoming in April, 2000) and The Mitzvah, with JPFO founder and executive director Aaron Zelman. Order these books at: http://www.lneilsmith.org//lnsbooks.html
    http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2000/libe68-20000331-07.html
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    bump
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Bump for current relevance.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Genocide/Democide only occurs after weapons have been registered , then seized by the government.

    Governments are responsible for the greatest number of untimely death than any individual or
    group of individuals throughout history, x's scores of millions.

    Liberals tout women's rights yet would prefer a woman beaten, tortured, raped , and murdered than
    allow her to defend herself or her children.

    Government has a much better chance of controlling every aspect of our lives if we are disarmed,
    while they have an endless supply of weapons.

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    Murder by Gun Control
    by L. Neil Smith
    lneil@lneilsmith.org

    Special to TLE

    ...

    (1) Every year, in this nation of more than a quarter billion individuals, a few thousand (three quarters of them suicides) are killed with firearms, while _millions_ of Americans successfully use personal weapons to save themselves and others from injury or death. Guns save many, many times more lives than they take.

    (2) In every jurisdiction that has made it even microscopically easier for individuals to carry weapons, violent crime rates have plummeted by double-digit percentages. Vermont, where no permission of any kind is required to carry a gun, is named in many respectable surveys as the safest state to live in.

    (3) More telling and urgent, every episode of genocidal mass murder in history has been preceded by a period of intense disarming of the civil population, usually with "public safety" or "national security" as an excuse. According to Amnesty International -- hardly a gang of right wing crazies -- in the 20th century alone (in events entirely separate from war), governments have slaughtered more than a hundred million people, usually their own citizens.

    The U.S. is far from immune. Look up "Operation Keelhaul".

    Clearly, if those millions had been armed, they couldn't have been murdered by their own governments. And if the governments hadn't known where all the weapons were and who possessed them, the people couldn't have been disarmed. It follows, then, that no amount of gun control -- especially "soft" measures like registering guns or gun owners -- is reasonable or safe. Those who tremble at the idea of personal weapons -- "hoplophobes" is the diagnostic term -- are fond of saying that guns are made for only one purpose. Well, gun control serves only one purpose, too -- the incapacitation and extermination of whole peoples.

    That's why we call it by its right name: "victim disarmament".

    If you think it can't happen here, ask Donald Scott (look him up, too). Ask Vicky and Sammy Weaver. Ask 82 innocent men, women, and children (two dozen beautiful, harmless, helpless little children) from the Seventh Day Adventist church at Mount Carmel near Waco, Texas. Oops, you can't ask them, can you? Because they're all dead -- murdered in cold blood by government terrorists who have yet to be brought to justice.

    Let's ask some questions that everybody on my side's been too polite -- too damned polite -- to ask before.

    What kind of mind would sacrifice millions for the sake of a few thousands, especially when it's been demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that victim disarmament can't save even those thousands?
    ...

    L. Neil Smith is publisher of The Libertarian Enterprise and author of 24 books including The Probability Broach, The Lando Calrissian Adventures, Forge of the Elders (forthcoming in April, 2000) and The Mitzvah, with JPFO founder and executive director Aaron Zelman. Order these books at: http://www.lneilsmith.org//lnsbooks.html

    ''What kind of mind would sacrifice millions for the sake of a few thousand...''

    A sick underdeveloped Socialist mind.

    Gun Rights are an insurance policy against genocide/democide , someone should
    explain this fact to Trump.


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    Gun control was never about keeping people safe.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Gun control was never about keeping people safe.

    No, of course not. That's just the way they sell it to the rubes.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Genocide/Democide only occurs after weapons have been registered , then seized by the government.

    Governments are responsible for the greatest number of untimely death than any individual or
    group of individuals throughout history, x's scores of millions.

    Liberals tout women's rights yet would prefer a woman beaten, tortured, raped , and murdered than
    allow her to defend herself or her children.

    Government has a much better chance of controlling every aspect of our lives if we are disarmed,
    while they have an endless supply of weapons.

    All very true. Stop victim disarmament now ir wish we had later.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    ''What kind of mind would sacrifice millions for the sake of a few thousand...''

    A sick underdeveloped Socialist mind.

    Gun Rights are an insurance policy against genocide/democide , someone should
    explain this fact to Trump.


    "Stupid, insane or evil."
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    "Stupid, insane or evil."
    Liberals? For the most part , probably all three.

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    That was excellent. I tried to pick out a few quotes, but I ended up quoting the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Liberals? For the most part , probably all three.

    Back stabbing Republicans too.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    That was excellent. I tried to pick out a few quotes, but I ended up quoting the whole thing.

    El Neil has a always had a way with words.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    The Associated Press noted that Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb welcomed O’Rourke’s push, simply for the damage that it does to the gun control movement. Gottlieb said, “This is what their goal is. We’ve always said it, now they’re saying it. Now they’ve said it and we’re going to make them eat it.”
    Just dropped another donation at https://gunowners.org/support/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Back stabbing Republicans too.
    Indeed.

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    No country in history has ever hated freedom as much as the USA does.


    You know that all hope is lost when you talk to 5 Americans in one day and one says that the Bill of Rights should be repealed, another says blacksmithing should be illegal, one swears wearing fur should be a crime, one says private charities should be a outlawed, and another says bump stocks must be banned.


    Disgusting.



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    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Life and Death in Today’s Chicago
    by L. Neil Smith
    lneil@netzero.com


    Attribute to L. Neil Smith’s The Libertarian Enterprise

    It is long past time that somebody sane considered the problem of violent crime in the nation’s “Second City”.

    This is not brain science; it is not rocket surgery. The unfortunate metropolis’s 762 shooting deaths in 2016 alone, its 4378 shootings (17%—not very good shots in Chicago, are they?), are the direct consequence of a single, specific, famously liberal/progressive policy pursued over the last several decades. Bit by blood-soaked bit, the city is being converted into Detroit. If that policy had never been introduced by the wrong-headed, mentally and morally-challenged authorities who rule it, Chicago would now be peaceful, prosperous, and safe. Everyone who has ever died or suffered injuries of a particular kind owes his dismal fate to that policy and to the generations of political seat-warmers and place-holders who have mindlessly enforced it.

    That policy is to completely and illegally ignore the highest law of the land, the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution, commonly known as the Bill of Rights, particularly the Second and Ninth Amendments, and to unlawfully prevent ordinary individuals from owning and carrying the means of self-defense. The Second Amendment does not say “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed—except when the authorities deem otherwise”. To act as if it did is a deliberate act of mass-murder comparable to the Holocaust, for which the city’s dirty officials should be summarily removed and thoroughly prosecuted.


    What needs to happen in Chicago is that every single law that mentions guns or self-defense weapons in general, must be struck immediately from the books—nullified, repealed, or otherwise disposed of—and the natural individual right to own and carry weapons assiduously enforced. Reparations must be paid to former gun- shop owners, forced out of business. It will be necessary to treat Illinois laws the same, and ultimately, those of the United States itself. But we’re speaking of Chicago, here. With most of the city’s officials finally in jail where they belong (and maybe joined by Michael Bloomberg and George Soros), everyday people can get on with the task of cleaning up their own neighborhoods.

    We’ve seen this process before, beginning in the early 1970s in Orlando and Toledo, where just the knowledge that one’s potential victim might be armed, reduced the violent crime rate by double digits, Criminals will do anything to avoid a fair fight. If the murderous thugs of Chicago need a practical lesson, then everyday people, going about their everyday business, are the ones to teach it: the lady with a .380 pistol in her purse or pocket, the man with a .357 on the back of his hip or a .45 under his armpit. The state of Vermont, which has no laws restricting the right to concealed carry, has been virtually crime-free for decades.

    All of this socio-political progress from the not-so-miraculous (or even very surprising) course of simply compelling these over-fed and over-reaching officials to obey the law they falsely swore an oath to uphold. That is the basic principle behind what I propose, but there is another aspect, remarkably obvious once you consider it, to the situation.

    Crime of the sort that Chicago suffers, exactly like street-level terrorism, is a diffuse problem. Unlike the organized crime of the Al Capone days, it doesn’t have a head that you can cut off, a structure that you can disrupt. Respecting everybody’s fundamental right to self-defense—to obtain and carry the means of self-defense—is the _diffuse_ solution. The cops can’t be everywhere, but the people of a great city already are. Sometimes these self-defenders will succeed, sometimes they will fail. But those who expect their victims to be bound and rendered helpless by a corrupted city government will have an ugly, often fatal, surprise waiting for them. In relatively short order (judging from what’s happened elsewhere) crime will subside.

    I have loved Chicago. Its “Miracle Mile”, and the “Loop” are the most beautiful city-scapes I have ever seen. They’re like something out of a 1950s Sunday Supplement (look it up) future. You expect George Jetson to fly by at any moment. The Museum of Science and Industry is a world marvel. Chicago’s myriad of distinct neighborhoods are a wonder to behold. Chicago could be a wonderful place for everyone to live once again by this time next year.

    Victim disarmament (gun control) is the pathological product of a class of disturbed individuals (and their cowardly, gullible, and stupid supporters) who do not trust the very people who put them in office, and would much rather allow massive crime to reign, than give up the sick psycho-sexual pleasure of wielding power over them.

    ******
    I have been under the weather and I usually work late into the early morning, so at 11 AM I awoke to hysterical words and sensational pictures from the Orlando airport, where some criminal thug had shot thirteen people, five of them to death. This is a perfect illustration of what the rest of this essay is about. Instead of doing or saying anything useful, the puffed-up authorities were alternately abusing the victims, huddled together in terror on the floor between luggage carousels, and making pompous pronouncements to the gullible media.

    In my first novel, The Probability Broach, drafted in 1977, I suggested how to deal with problems like this. Rather than shaking innocent passengers down and stealing their personal weapons, rather than denying them their fundamental human right to self-defense, simply insist that the ammunition they carry onboard will not damage the aircraft—or issue them an acceptable substitute. Glaser Safety Slugs were invented for this very purpose, decades ago, and would serve it well. Now, forty years later, four decades, I wake up, and the first thing I see and hear is a criminal incident being hideously, unspeakably mishandled.

    Forty years.

    And it will go on this way, over and over again, unless We the People—We the Deplorables—begin demanding that the over- inflated flummoxes, in and out of uniform, who think they rule us back the hell off, get the hell out of the way, and let us handle matters like this properly. It was the people, and not the law who finished off the Frank and Jesse James gang. In a free and rational world, the lowlife who emerged from that airport bathroom in Orlando would have been cut to pieces by at least a dozen better-armed individuals before he got a second shot off.

    And I could be listening to something other than ignorant blather tonight.
    https://ncc-1776.org/tle2017/tle905-20170108-02.html
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Liberals? For the most part , probably all three.
    The NYC libtard Trump has been worse than Obama for 2A infringements and he ain't done yet. The GOP gets 'er done. .



    The age to buy a gun has already been upped to 21, plus a bump stock ban which Obama refused to do. Expect more if Donnell is re-elected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    DACA S**thole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    The NYC libtard Trump has been worse than Obama for 2A infringements and he ain't done yet. The GOP gets 'er done. .



    The age to buy a gun has already been upped to 21, plus a bump stock ban which Obama refused to do. Expect more if Donnell is re-elected.
    Given the same environment that the media has created today, Obama would have jumped all over the 2A, he was truly a pos,
    but yes, we are fkd, Trump has not turned out to be the Patriot I thought he would be, he may love America but has not shown
    me that he gives a fk about the Bill of Rights.
    Obama was worse, Hillary is worse, they're all just varying levels of 'worse' .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Given the same environment that the media has created today, Obama would have jumped all over the 2A, he was truly a pos,
    but yes, we are fkd, Trump has not turned out to be the Patriot I thought he would be, he may love America but has not shown
    me that he gives a fk about the Bill of Rights.
    Obama was worse, Hillary is worse, they're all just varying levels of 'worse' .

    I really can't disagree with most of this. They're ALL sociopathic pieces of $#@! as far as I'm concerned.

    Have a look at this and see what you think:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ng-Gun-Control
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I really can't disagree with most of this. They're ALL sociopathic pieces of $#@! as far as I'm concerned.

    Have a look at this and see what you think:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ng-Gun-Control
    I skimmed it , read some great points, none that I would argue against,
    most mirror what I've been saying for 17 years.


    The biggest two points I'd repeat/add;

    Gun/Arms Registration/confiscation always precedes Democide/Genocide.

    Govts are the biggest cause of untimely death throughout history, when they've
    confiscated Arms, this creates a buffer between the Elite and the masses,
    a situation that allows for the starvation and murder of the masses. (Stalin eg)
    Last edited by Stratovarious; 10-06-2019 at 04:38 AM.



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