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    This is a thread not because I give the latest bluster any credence...
    but
    cuz of the short, concise, historical tour of Erdo's Neo-Ottoman fantasies.



    Turkey Threatens To Invade Greece
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-invade-greece




    In an incident that took place less than two weeks after the Greek Defense Ministry announced that Turkey had violated Greek airspace 138 times in a single day, a Turkish coast guard patrol boat on February 13 rammed a Greek coast guard vessel off the shore of Imia, one of many Greek islands over which Turkey claims sovereignty.

    Most of the areas within modern Greece's current borders were under the occupation of the Ottoman Empire from the mid-15th century until the Greek War of Independence in 1821 and the establishment of the modern Greek state in 1832. The islands, however, like the rest of Greece, are legally and historically Greek, as their names indicate.

    Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), however, and even much of the opposition seem intent on, if not obsessed with, invading and conquering these Greek islands, on the grounds that they are actually Turkish territory.

    In December, for instance, Kemal KılıÁdaroğlu, the leader of the main Turkish opposition CHP party, stated that when he wins the election in 2019, he will "invade and take over 18 Greek islands in the Aegean Sea, just as former Turkish PM Bulent Ecevit invaded Cyprus in 1974." He said that there is "no document" proving that those islands belong to Greece.

    Meral Akşener, the head of the newly established opposition "Good Party," has also called for an invasion and conquest of the islands. "What is required must be done," she tweeted on January 13.

    The most garish muscle-flexing has come from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, of course, who seems emboldened by his military invasion of the Afrin region in northern Syria having gone virtually unchallenged.

    "We warn those who have crossed the line in the Aegean and Cyprus," Erdoğan declared, continuing:

    "Their courage persists only until they see our army, our ships and our planes... Whatever Afrin is to us, our rights in the Aegean and Cyprus are the same. Do not ever think that the natural gas exploration in the waters of Cyprus and the opportunistic attempts in the Aegean Sea drop off our radar.

    "Just as we disrupt the plots [in the region] through Operation Euphrates Shield and Operation Olive Branch [on Syria], and soon in Manbij and other regions, we can and we will disrupt the plots of those who engage in miscalculations on our southern border...

    Our warships and air forces are keeping an eye on the area closely to intervene in every way when required."

    Referring to the days of the Ottoman Empire, Erdoğan went on:

    "Those who think that we have erased from our hearts the lands from which we withdrew in tears a hundred years ago are wrong.

    "We say at every opportunity we have that Syria, Iraq and other places in the geography [map] in our hearts are no different from our own homeland. We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited.

    "The things we have done so far [pale in comparison to the] even greater attempts and attacks [we are planning for] the coming days, inshallah [Allah willing]."



    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan recently said: "We warn those who have crossed the line in the Aegean and Cyprus... Their courage persists only until they see our army, our ships and our planes."


    The Ottoman dynasty and empire was established by a nomadic Turkmen chief sometime around the year 1300. During the more than 600 years of the Ottoman period, the Ottoman Turks, who also represented the Islamic Caliphate, regularly launched wars of jihad, invading and occupying lands across five continents.

    Neo-Ottomanists in Turkey still proudly embrace the concept of jihad (Islamic holy war) against the kafirs (infidels).

    The head of the state-funded Directorate of Religious Affairs, the Diyanet, has openly described Turkey's recent military invasion of Afrin as "jihad."

    This designation makes sense when one considers that Muslim Turks owe their demographic majority in Asia Minor to centuries of Turkish Muslim persecution and discrimination against the Christian, Yazidi and Jewish inhabitants of the area. In the 11th century, Turkic jihadists from Central Asia invaded and conquered the Greek-speaking, Christian Byzantine Empire, paving the way for the gradual Turkification and Islamization of the region through methods such as murder, kidnapping, rape and forced conversions.

    The greatest 20th century Turkish assault against Christians took place in the 1914-1923 genocide of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians (Syriacs/Chaldeans) in Ottoman Turkey. This did not prevent Turkey, which continues to deny the genocide, from becoming a member of NATO in 1952. The assault also did not stop Turkey, three years after joining NATO, from committing a savage anti-Greek pogrom in Istanbul or from forcibly expelling the remaining Greeks from Turkey in 1964.

    It is precisely because the Turks have never been held accountable for their criminal actions and aggression that they continue to threaten the security and sovereignty of their neighbors. It is high time for the West wake up and take Ankara to task.


    Authored by Uzay Bulut via The Gatestone Institute,



    Just a footnote: Israel STILL refuses to recognize the (above) Armenian 'Holocaust'. (ironic and hypocritical to say the least.)



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    erdogan sure likes to bark a lot, but I can't imagine he would want to isolate himself from his western allies even more.

    "We say at every opportunity we have that Syria, Iraq and other places in the geography [map] in our hearts are no different from our own homeland. We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited.
    What is he really saying here? By foreign does he mean not native to the middle east, or is he really calling for a return of the ottoman empire? Or some other unified government across muslim majority regions? He might just be trying to appeal to the hardline ultra-religious ultra-nationalist people that represent a huge population of Turkey.

    The Ottoman dynasty and empire was established by a nomadic Turkmen chief sometime around the year 1300. During the more than 600 years of the Ottoman period, the Ottoman Turks, who also represented the Islamic Caliphate, regularly launched wars of jihad, invading and occupying lands across five continents.
    Was it really 5 continents? Africa, Asia, and Europe... but what other two? I tried to look for some info but couldn't find anything

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    Careful there. Deep-fried turkey can create a big greece fire if you're not careful.
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    Turkish Navy vessels threatened on Friday to sink a drilling ship that oil major Eni has hired to explore for oil and gas offshore Cyprus—a divided island whose northern part is run by Turkish Cypriots and is recognized only by Turkey.
    According to local media reports, four or five ships of the Turkish Navy tried to prevent Saipem’s 12000 drilling vessel from performing exploration in the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of Cyprus.
    Turkey, which recognizes the northern Turkish Cypriot government and doesn’t have diplomatic relations with the internationally recognized government of Cyprus, claims that part of the Cyprus offshore area is under the jurisdiction of Turkish Cypriots or Turkey.
    After the Turkish Navy threatened to sink the drilling ship, the Saipem vessel maneuvered out of the area and set sail for Morocco, Greek newspaper Ekathimerini reports.

    More at: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...re-Cyprus.html
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    Most likely, nothing happens, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if something did, despite both being NATO members.

    Turks and Greeks really hate each other.

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    Buffoon is prying open pandora's box.





    Erdogan calls all the reservists. He said that there will be a hot summer (reference to Syria)
    Erdogan sends stern warning to US over their role in Syria
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...us-role-syria/






    What a sick $#@!.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-24-2018 at 04:42 PM.

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    The U.S. Navy has increased its Mediterranean fleet, just a couple of weeks before Exxon is due to send two surveying vessels to explore offshore Cyprus near the area where Turkey blocked an Eni drilling ship from prospecting in February, Turkish news outlet Ahval reports.
    Last year, ExxonMobil and Qatar Petroleum signed an exploration and production (E&P) sharing contract with the Cyprus government, under which the companies will start drilling in a block offshore Cyprus this year.
    Two weeks ago, Turkish Navy vessels threatened to sink a drilling ship that oil major Eni has hired to explore for oil and gas offshore Cyprus—a divided island whose northern part is run by Turkish Cypriots and is recognized only by Turkey.
    According to local media reports, four or five ships of the Turkish Navy tried to prevent Saipem’s 12000 drilling vessel from performing exploration in the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of Cyprus.
    Turkey, which recognizes the northern Turkish Cypriot government and doesn’t have diplomatic relations with the internationally recognized government of Cyprus, claims that part of the Cyprus offshore area is under the jurisdiction of Turkish Cypriots or Turkey.

    More at: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...re-Cyprus.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Turkish Navy vessels threatened on Friday to sink a drilling ship that oil major Eni has hired to explore for oil and gas offshore Cyprus—a divided island whose northern part is run by Turkish Cypriots and is recognized only by Turkey.
    According to local media reports, four or five ships of the Turkish Navy tried to prevent Saipem’s 12000 drilling vessel from performing exploration in the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of Cyprus.
    Turkey, which recognizes the northern Turkish Cypriot government and doesn’t have diplomatic relations with the internationally recognized government of Cyprus, claims that part of the Cyprus offshore area is under the jurisdiction of Turkish Cypriots or Turkey.
    After the Turkish Navy threatened to sink the drilling ship, the Saipem vessel maneuvered out of the area and set sail for Morocco, Greek newspaper Ekathimerini reports.

    More at: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...re-Cyprus.html
    US Navy Boosts Mediterranean Presence As Exxon Set To Explore Offshore Cyprus
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ffshore-cyprus



    This is meant for Erdo... also a mssg to Lebanon re: Block 9 oil.... (Israel)
    Bully gonna bully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    US Navy Boosts Mediterranean Presence As Exxon Set To Explore Offshore Cyprus
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ffshore-cyprus



    This is meant for Erdo... also a mssg to Lebanon re: Block 9 oil.... (Israel)
    Bully gonna bully.
    Turkey Threatens Exxon Mobil & The US 6th Fleet Off Cyprus
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...h-fleet-cyprus



    lol

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    Greece’s defense minister described Turkey on Wednesday as an “enemy that continues to provoke us” and said he had ordered the deployment of more military personnel to islands in the eastern Aegean Sea. Defense Minister Panos Kammenos said 7,000 service members were being moved to the islands and a border area in northeast Greece amid a spike in tension between the two NATO allies.
    “If they have the guts, let them dare to challenge one inch of our territory,” Kammenos said while attending a reservist exercise on the island of Ikaria. “The Greeks, united, will crush them.”

    More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.ca872991ca19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Greece’s defense minister described Turkey on Wednesday as an “enemy that continues to provoke us” and said he had ordered the deployment of more military personnel to islands in the eastern Aegean Sea. Defense Minister Panos Kammenos said 7,000 service members were being moved to the islands and a border area in northeast Greece amid a spike in tension between the two NATO allies.
    “If they have the guts, let them dare to challenge one inch of our territory,” Kammenos said while attending a reservist exercise on the island of Ikaria. “The Greeks, united, will crush them.”

    More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.ca872991ca19

    Greece will send 7,000 soldiers to Turkish border amid deteriorating relations with Ankara
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...s-with-ankara/

    Greek minister says he has ordered deployment of more military personnel to islands near Turkish shore
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-...ean-sea-129809

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post

    Greece will send 7,000 soldiers to Turkish border amid deteriorating relations with Ankara
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...s-with-ankara/

    Greek minister says he has ordered deployment of more military personnel to islands near Turkish shore
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-...ean-sea-129809
    Turkey’s Athens consulate comes under attack

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-athens-consulate-comes-under-attack-129811
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    The former US Ambassador to Ukraine during EuroMaidan and present chief diplomat in Greece Geoffrey Pyatt predicted that Turkey’s ties with both the US and Greece will go through what he described as “turbulence” ahead of President Erdogan’s reelection vote next year.

    This ambiguous warning can be interpreted in one of two ways. The decontextualized understanding is to think that he’s hinting that President Erdogan will cynically stage various highly-publicized provocations against them in order to galvanize the electorate and appeal to nationalists, while an informed reading would be that the US plans to use Greece as a Hybrid War destabilization tool against Turkey during this sensitive time while hiding behind the “plausible deniability” of the Mainstream Media’s messaging that President Erdogan is really to blame. The second interpretation is probably the most accurate because Pyatt has proven himself to be a false flag and perception management master after his ‘success’ during EuroMaidan, so his words shouldn’t ever be taken at their face value or in ‘good faith’.

    More at: https://orientalreview.org/2018/04/0...kish-tensions/


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    Stoltenberg Brushes Off Greece-Turkey Tensions: "Not An Issue For NATO"


    ‘Tension in Aegean should be resolved between Turkey, Greece’
    Q: The tension between Turkey and Greece over the Aegean Sea continues to rise. There are reports that Greece has officially asked NATO to take a more active role in this context. What is NATO’s position on the rising tension between the two NATO allies?
    Stoltenberg: Greece and Turkey are two highly valued NATO allies, they have been allies since 1952.
    Both contribute to our collective defense. I expect that the differences we see on some issues are solved between Turkey and Greece in the spirit of good relations. In this context, I welcome that the PMs of both countries have recently held a phone conversation and that they have agreed to resolve these differences through dialogue.
    Q: So, NATO does not foresee involvement?
    Stoltenberg: No, it’s not an issue for NATO, this is something that has to be addressed between Turkey and Greece.
    Commenting on a wide range of issues including the agenda of his visit, the Turkish-led Operation Olive Branch, the fight against terrorism, and Syria, Stoltenberg emphasized the importance of Turkey as a valuable strategic ally.
    The interview was given ahead of Stoltenberg’s visit to Turkey on May 16th.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...not-issue-nato


    If war does break out and NATO refuses to get involved will Putin join Greece against Turkey?

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    I'm not supporting Turkey or Erdoğan but the Gatestone Institute is basically a Muslim-hate site.

    Most everything we read about the history of the Ottoman Empire is very imbalanced and not close to truth. At one time the Ottoman Empire was the greatest and most civilized on earth- think of America in it's prime.

    The Emperor Suleyman was considered one of the greatest leaders in history; he was also extremely cultured & artistic. The Ottomans never went through the "Dark Ages". That was a European experience.

    Also: jihad means a personal inner conflict to better oneself- the arabic word for war is: "al-harb". Jihad is NOT war against other religions. The Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected.

    Did the Ottoman's degenerate? Of course- think of the US's path in today's world.

    Sorry to get off topic- just pointing out the ignorance & hate of the original article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    US Navy Boosts Mediterranean Presence As Exxon Set To Explore Offshore Cyprus
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ffshore-cyprus



    This is meant for Erdo... also a mssg to Lebanon re: Block 9 oil.... (Israel)
    Bully gonna bully.
    This is corporate welfare.

    Who put U.S. taxpayers on the hook for enabling ExxonMobil to survey hostile waters? What do U.S. taxpayers get out of it?
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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