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    Syria/Kurd Agreement: Syrian Troops Will Enter Afrin & Halt Turkey/US Takeover (srry Rex :)

    YPG/PYD Kurds were getting their ass kicked...
    have been REFUSING to 'concede' to Damascus terms for territorial 'surrender'.
    Politics gave way to REALITY. Finally.

    **One Caveat: so far... this 'announcement' is from Kurdish Sources only... so: ATM nothing 'official'... we wait.


    CC News
    February 18, 2018 | Afrin Talks between SAA & YPG underway.

    Rudaw English
    BREAKING: Rudaw source in Afrin says if agreement reached between YPG and Syrian army, troops will be deployed to Afrin.

    Rudaw English
    BREAKING: Major development, Syrian forces will enter Afrin on Monday
    http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/180220182


    Al-Masdar News
    BREAKING: Syrian Army to enter Afrin following deal with Kurdish militia
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...rdish-militia/



    Syria’s deputy foreign minister called on Kurds and Arabs in Afrin to unite against Turkey’s Operation Olive Branch.

    “Afrin is an integral party of the Syrian Arab Republic,” Deputy Minister Faysal Mikdad said on Wednesday, state-run SANA reported.

    “We affirm that the Syrian Arab Army defends every inch of the Syrian territory and Syria will return as unified as it has been throughout history,” he added, with respect to Afrin.

    Damascus is working to combat Turkey’s offensive on Syrian territory, he said.






    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-18-2018 at 01:39 PM.



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  3. #2
    Still awaiting ANY Syrian Confirmation.... so far **crickets**

  4. #3
    If true it will make Turkey decide whether it wants to be the empire's cat's-paw in a war with Syria or not.
    The swamp would be happy to trade the Kurds for a Turkey-Syria war.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 02-18-2018 at 05:46 PM.
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  5. #4
    Update...



  6. #5
    ►One of the problems is 'military agreements/dialogue vs state level diplomatic dialogue.
    The above previous post is an example...

    We (still) wait....




    Afrin City










    Pro-Syrian Gov't Forces to Enter Afrin 'Within Hours' - State Media
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...s-enter-afrin/


    The reportage is a SEA of conflicting and contradictory information..
    (the above article describes it)

  7. #6
    Hassan Ridha
    Syrian TV & SANA's correspondent in Aleppo says SAA will enter Afrin in the next few hours


    Hassan Ridha
    SANA: Syrian Popular Forces will arrive in Afrin in the next few hours to assist the steadfastness of its people against Turkish aggression.



    (I would think the next move on the chessboard will be some token RUSSIAN presence going to Afrin City as well.... )




    Breaking: Pro-government NDF allegedly enter Afrin
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...y-enter-afrin/


    The pro-government National Defense Forces (NDF) have allegedly entered the Afrin region of Aleppo, pro-government media reported this afternoon.

    According to the reports, the National Defense Forces crossed into the Afrin region from the government-held towns of Al-Zahra’a and Nubl.

    Al-Masdar is reaching out to the Syrian military for official confirmation.


    AGREEMENT ON AFRIN ENSURING TURKEY'S SECURITY, SYRIA'S INTEGRITY CAN BE ACHIEVED - DEPUTY UN ENVOY FOR SYRIA RAMZY

    ------------

    Elijah J. Magnier
    Russia is discussing/finalizing with Turkey the cease-fire in Afrin
    ►to allow 4000 SAA men
    ►to take control of the entire city,
    ►surrounding villages,
    ►establish 52 positions in the enclave
    ►and deploy forces on the borders with Turkey.



    Elsewhere in Afrin (governorate)

    Plutonium General
    Goodnews from my friend @IRI_SEAMAN (he has sources deployed in Syria)
    IRGC is propping up the newly conquered east Idlib front withe troops and weapons
    awaiting expected AQ/Nusra counter attack there as SAA elite "Tigers" are currently engaged in the #DamascusSteel op.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-19-2018 at 07:30 AM.

  8. #7
    UPDATE

    @op_shield
    20 min.
    #Breaking
    Turkish army is shelling around Afrin city.



    NOT YET...

    Syrian military denies entering Afrin region
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...-afrin-region/


    A Syrian military source in Aleppo denies that any pro-government forces have entered Afrin region this afternoon.

    According to the military source, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) has not given the green light to any unit to enter Afrin,
    despite some reports from pro-government pages on Facebook.

    The source added that the pro-government National Defense Forces have gathered at the northern Aleppo towns of Al-Zahra’a and Nubl;
    they are awaiting orders to enter Afrin.

    In addition to the NDF personnel,
    the Syrian Army will send soldiers to the Afrin region;
    however, it is still clear how many troops will be committed to this front in northern Aleppo.

    --------

    TURKEY
    Brasco_Aad
    TURKISH FM CAVUSOGLU: NO PROBLEM IF SYRIAN ARMY ENTERS AFRIN TO CLEAR PKK (YPG)




    (US 'presence' in NE Syria becoming more obsolete by the hour.... They are being MASTERFULLY 'outplayed' )




    ►Number of forces trying to use Syria situation to personal geopolitical ends, to detriment of fight against terrorism - Lavrov
    ►LAVROV: SUCCESS OF SYRIA SETTLEMENT DEPENDS NOT ON WHAT ELSE RUSSIA CAN DO BUT ON WHAT U.S. WON'T DO
    ►ALL SYRIAN SOCIETY STRATA TO BE REPRESENTED IN SYRIA POLITICAL PROCESS - LAVROV
    ►LAVROV: RUSSIA FULLY SUPPORTS ASPIRATIONS OF KURDS, BUT THEY ARE OFTEN USED BY THIRD PARTIES PURSUING THEIR OWN GEOPOLITICAL INTERESTS
    ►Lavrov urges U.S. 'not to play with fire' in Syria, reckon with long-term interests of regional peoples, including Kurds
    ►Russia urges Western partners to discipline al-Nusra, or otherwise it is to be destroyed - Lavrov


    AL TANF

    ►Lavrov calls for honoring agreement to bar non-Syrian forces from southern de-escalation area

    US must leave the area it controls in Southern Syria — Lavrov
    https://www.rt.com/news/419177-us-safety-zone-syria/


    “This zone must be shut down immediately. And deliveries of humanitarian aid must be allowed into the camp,” the minister said.

    Moscow calls on US not to play with fire in Syria
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...ay-fire-syria/



    --------

    Brasco_Aad
    Israel increased weapon deliveries to AlQaeda and friends in the governorates of Quneitra and Daraa.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...bels-1.5826348








    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-19-2018 at 11:47 AM.

  9. #8
    More reindeer games...


    FM - "No One Can Stop Turkish Forces if Syrian Army Enters Afrin"
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ish-militants/


    "We have started an operation in Afrin in order to get rid of the threat to our national security. We still insist on this."

    "Now the question is - will the forces of the regime [of Syrian President Bashar Assad] enter Afrin or not?
    And
    if they enter, then for what purpose?
    If they come to clear it from the YPG, there are no problems.
    If they support terrorists, no one will stop us.
    This applies to Afrin, Manbij and the east of the Euphrates,"

    ►Lebanese media outlet Al-Masdar News reports of a massive artillery bombardment of Afrin by the Turkish army,
    aimed, as the media claimed, to prevent the entry of Syrian troops into the area.

    ►A similar report has been made by Al Mayadeen TV channel, saying that
    the Syrian forces could hardly enter Afrin today, as the Turkish forces have been shelling the routes to the city.

    ►A YPG representative in Afrin Brusk Haseke, who had called them false and fake news in his interview to Sputnik, saying that
    the Syrian government forces would not enter Afrin.

    As he explained, due to the false information circulating,

    civilians in Afrin and Aleppo mistakenly believe that the Syrian army had entered the city,
    while it was simply civilian buses that had arrived.

    ---------

    First batch of Syrian NDF forces arrive into Afrin region in northern Syria
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/fir...yria-pictures/




    Few hundreds of Syrian fighters most are popular committees
    have entered the city of Afrin in northern Syria as applying terms of agreement between Syrian government and YPG.

    Local sources told Muraselon that the fighters are equipped with light guns as Syrian military personnel are not involved in the deal yet.

    Speaking from Afrin, Al-Mayadeen reporter said that
    “The Turkish shelling delays the implementation of the Afrin agreement but is on track” also,
    ”There will be no entry for military forces to Afrin today


    ============


    Illegitimate U.S. presence in Syria poses danger to Turkey - Iranian foreign minister

    Erdogan, Putin discuss Afrin operation, Idlib on phone
    http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines...-phone/1067734

    Russia sees risk of Syria's collapse, other states (TURKEY) should not be allowed to turn temporary de-escalation areas into their zones of influence - Russian deputy foreign minister

    Hassan Ridha
    Amid reports of SAA-YPG deal, Erdogan calls Iran's Rouhani after talking with Putin



    I'm 99% positive that the 'hold-up'
    is because Erdo & Co. are complete loons...
    and trying to split hairs and change horses in the middle of what was COMPLETELY spelled out BEFORE 'Olive Branch' even began.
    Nvr trust a turk.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-19-2018 at 12:35 PM.



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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    More reindeer games...


    FM - "No One Can Stop Turkish Forces if Syrian Army Enters Afrin"
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ish-militants/


    "We have started an operation in Afrin in order to get rid of the threat to our national security. We still insist on this."

    "Now the question is - will the forces of the regime [of Syrian President Bashar Assad] enter Afrin or not?
    And
    if they enter, then for what purpose?
    If they come to clear it from the YPG, there are no problems.
    If they support terrorists, no one will stop us.
    This applies to Afrin, Manbij and the east of the Euphrates,"

    ►Lebanese media outlet Al-Masdar News reports of a massive artillery bombardment of Afrin by the Turkish army,
    aimed, as the media claimed, to prevent the entry of Syrian troops into the area.

    ►A similar report has been made by Al Mayadeen TV channel, saying that
    the Syrian forces could hardly enter Afrin today, as the Turkish forces have been shelling the routes to the city.

    ►A YPG representative in Afrin Brusk Haseke, who had called them false and fake news in his interview to Sputnik, saying that
    the Syrian government forces would not enter Afrin.

    As he explained, due to the false information circulating,

    civilians in Afrin and Aleppo mistakenly believe that the Syrian army had entered the city,
    while it was simply civilian buses that had arrived.

    ---------

    First batch of Syrian NDF forces arrive into Afrin region in northern Syria
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/fir...yria-pictures/




    Few hundreds of Syrian fighters most are popular committees
    have entered the city of Afrin in northern Syria as applying terms of agreement between Syrian government and YPG.

    Local sources told Muraselon that the fighters are equipped with light guns as Syrian military personnel are not involved in the deal yet.

    Speaking from Afrin, Al-Mayadeen reporter said that
    “The Turkish shelling delays the implementation of the Afrin agreement but is on track” also,
    ”There will be no entry for military forces to Afrin today


    ============


    Illegitimate U.S. presence in Syria poses danger to Turkey - Iranian foreign minister

    Erdogan, Putin discuss Afrin operation, Idlib on phone
    http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines...-phone/1067734

    Russia sees risk of Syria's collapse, other states (TURKEY) should not be allowed to turn temporary de-escalation areas into their zones of influence - Russian deputy foreign minister

    Hassan Ridha
    Amid reports of SAA-YPG deal, Erdogan calls Iran's Rouhani after talking with Putin



    I'm 99% positive that the 'hold-up'
    is because Erdo & Co. are complete loons...
    and trying to split hairs and change horses in the middle of what was COMPLETELY spelled out BEFORE 'Olive Branch' even began.
    Nvr trust a turk.
    Syria doesn't want a war with Turkey but they can't let Turkey waltz into their territory and do as they please to Syrian citizens either, Turkey doesn't want a war with Syria but it does want to kill Syrian citizens and maybe take territory.

    We get to watch another "chicken race" play out on the global stage.

    I think Erdo is just stupid enough that there will be a war sooner or later.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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  12. #10
    SIEGE


    Conflict News- @Conflicts ∑ 14 min.
    BREAKING: Erdogan says Turkish army to lay siege to Afrin city center in coming days

    Erdogan: Turkish Army will encirle Afrin, speed up operation
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...eed-operation/


    “Turkish forces will encircle Afrin’s center in the upcoming days. Thus, we will cut out any external help, so that nobody could strike a secret bargain.
    We will show those, who want to create a terrorist corridor on Turkey southern border, that it’s not an easy task,”

    Speaking further, Erdogan said that possible deployment of Syrian government forces into Afrin had been “halted through our communications.”




    (He just spoke with Putin and Iran on the phone yesterday.
    It seems (???) as this is how it's (now) going to go down.
    Turkey will be used to TAKE the territory from the Kurds... then:
    NO RUSH...
    Russia and Iran will (eventually) force the handoff back to Assad...
    In the interim,
    there's the obvious advantage of Turkey/US FSA/SDF firefights over Manbij, then on to the western edge of the Euphrates.
    They will let Erdo do the heavy lifting.

    Obviously, the US will be playing the NATO card, using carrot and stick to try and 'turn' Erdo's allegiance as Turkey acquires territory.

    Erdo is ALWAYS going to be somebody's bitch.... but he's still crazy as a loon. )




    Turkey doubles down in Afrin, sends another large military convoy to region
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...convoy-region/



    contrary 'news' persists....

    Barzan Sadiq
    #BREAKING
    #Syrian National Defense units are on their way to #Afrin. Will be deployed on the border with #Turkey - #YPG commander to me



    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-20-2018 at 08:43 AM.

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post

    Brasco_Aad
    Israel increased weapon deliveries to AlQaeda and friends in the governorates of Quneitra and Daraa.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...bels-1.5826348

    This is a direct result of the above...

    Russian warplanes bomb east Qalamoun rebels amid preparations for huge assault against Syrian Army
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...t-syrian-army/


    At some point on late Monday night, Russian combat aircraft bombed encircled rebel forces in the east Qalamoun mountains who were preparing for a major assault against the Syrian Army.

  14. #12
    Syrian Army enters Afrin region to assist Kurdish forces
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...urdish-forces/


    Moments ago, confirmation came through that armor, vehicles and troops of the National Defence Forces (Damascus-led forces closely linked to the Syrian Army)
    entered into Afrin at the Al-Zearah crossing point in support of local Kurdish fighters. (about 10mi W. of Aleppo)

    It is yet to be seen if the Damascus’ intervention forces serves to discourage the Turkish Army from further attacks against Kurdish paras in Afrin
    or if it actually escalates hostilities across the region.

    At the present time, Turkish Army artillery has actually started shelling the entry point where pro-government forces are entering into Afrin.

    According the Al-Masdar News journalist Ibrahim Joudeh, the shelling is not directly targeting government troops,
    only landing near their advance line, most likely as an attempt to scare off the intervention forces.

    -------

    In addition to the shelling, the Turkish Army also flew an armed drone over the positions of the Syrian government forces;
    this prompted the latter to open fire on the unmanned aircraft.

    The Syrian government forces entered Afrin region from Aleppo, today, equipped with anti-aircraft machine guns and a large arsenal of missiles.


    ================



    Military convoy of Iran-backed Syrian NDF (Shabiha) units heading from Nuble and Zahra to Afrin to support YPG

    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-20-2018 at 10:25 AM.

  15. #13
    Latest situation after today's gains. Northern Rajo line just merged.
    OliveBranch forces still advancing in the areas of Jinderes & Sheran.









    Syrian militia is in Jandaris already. Turks are on outskirts of the town.






    Kurds: "One! One! One! The Syrian people are One!"




    Hassan Ridha- @<u><a href="http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=67744" target="_blank">sayed</a></u>_ridha
    Second batch of NDF begin entering Afrin region via Ziyarah crossing while Turkish reconnaissance drones fly overhead

    More Syrian NDF units arrive to Afrin:


    (Toyota is clearly making out like a bandit in Syria)



    NDF in Afrin Region

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWjsQzFXUAAQf4A.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWjsRilXUAEgXLN.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWjsSHDWkAAhvQT.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWjsSvrX4AAibyf.jpg:large
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-22-2018 at 05:16 AM.

  16. #14
    Latest Afrin footage




    EHSANI2- @EHSANI22 ∑ 3 min.
    TURKISH DEPUTY PM BOZDAG: RUSSIA, IRAN WANT TURKEY TO CONTACT SYRIA GOVT DIRECTLY


    ►(many Kurdish internet accounts calling for PYD to 'cut ties' with US )




    Center of Afrin City now:


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWoecOmUMAAHpvO.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWoecO3VwAAiEOB.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWoecO9UQAA-eqP.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWoecPVU8AA1tG0.jpg:large

    Pro-Govt NDF milita paraded / celebrated (still no SAA troops present)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWogvIAVoAAUMXX.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWogvIOUQAA3RrK.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWogvIcV4AAuDvV.jpg:large




    Afrin City LIVE (Freedom Square)








    Aleppo (Kurd 'pocket' surrendering 'authority')

    YPG reportedly to hand over some Aleppo districts to Syrian Army
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...s-syrian-army/


    Among the listed areas that will be handed over are Bustan Basha, Al-Halk, Baiden, Al-Haidariyah, and ‘Ayn Al-Abyad.

    Syrian Army Troops Enter Neighborhoods Of Aleppo City Controlled By YPG
    https://southfront.org/syrian-army-t...ontrolled-ypg/


    Hassan Ridha
    A Syrian SAA military convoy entered Tell Rifaat earlier, not clear if also a handover or just a delegation visiting
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-22-2018 at 05:45 AM.

  17. #15
    3rd Convoy




    Syria frontlines- @SyriaWarReports ∑ 16 min.
    Russian military police entered #Afrin with #SAA. They're going to #TallRifaat now

    Russian forces deployed to Afrin crossing as new government fighters arrive
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...ghters-arrive/

    (Russian 'presence' is being a little exaggerated... Kurds/NDF are 'straining' to 'include' State Actors vs Turkey. Not really happening... yet?)


    CHECKPOINT INCIDENT

    Large civilian convoy going into Kurdish YPG held Afrin has been hit by Turkish artillery leading to several causalities. Emergency crews are trying to clear the area.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWqMDc-W4AAtIWd.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E7JX4AE2PJV.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E5JX0AIjP9n.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E5LWAAAE7pb.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E5MW0AEiYSf.jpg:large



    Turkish Army destroy Syrian humanitarian aid was crossing to Afrin
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/bre...rossing-afrin/




    (Loads of secondaries with that, perhaps not 'just' an "aid" convoy after all. )

    Syrian NDF forces strike back at Turkish troops in Afrin
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...-troops-afrin/


    Pro-regime media says Turkish army still shelling at the Ziyarah cp in northern Nubl. Also they report that they're responding to the "source of fire"

    =========

    Afrin elsewhere..







    Aleppo city : All districts controlled by YPG are now under control of Syrian Government.


  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    3rd Convoy




    Syria frontlines- @SyriaWarReports ∑ 16 min.
    Russian military police entered #Afrin with #SAA. They're going to #TallRifaat now

    Russian forces deployed to Afrin crossing as new government fighters arrive
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...ghters-arrive/

    (Russian 'presence' is being a little exaggerated... Kurds/NDF are 'straining' to 'include' State Actors vs Turkey. Not really happening... yet?)


    CHECKPOINT INCIDENT

    Large civilian convoy going into Kurdish YPG held Afrin has been hit by Turkish artillery leading to several causalities. Emergency crews are trying to clear the area.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWqMDc-W4AAtIWd.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E7JX4AE2PJV.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E5JX0AIjP9n.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E5LWAAAE7pb.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWq1E5MW0AEiYSf.jpg:large



    Turkish Army destroy Syrian humanitarian aid was crossing to Afrin
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/bre...rossing-afrin/




    (Loads of secondaries with that, perhaps not 'just' an "aid" convoy after all. )

    Syrian NDF forces strike back at Turkish troops in Afrin
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...-troops-afrin/


    Pro-regime media says Turkish army still shelling at the Ziyarah cp in northern Nubl. Also they report that they're responding to the "source of fire"

    =========

    Afrin elsewhere..







    Aleppo city : All districts controlled by YPG are now under control of Syrian Government.

    Turkey and Syria will be officially at war soon.

    I hope Turkey gets their head handed to them and they collapse.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Turkey and Syria will be officially at war soon.
    I hope Turkey gets their head handed to them and they collapse.
    I am 'researching' something... perhaps you/anyone can enlighten me.

    There is a 'connection' between Turkey and Israel... but it 'transcends' politics. I can't quite put my finger on it.
    It's like their 'surface opposition' to one another 'disappears' the 'higher' or 'deeper' one looks.
    Syria is just a present example... Turkey has the 'northern front'... Israel has the 'southern front'... BOTH using Al Qaeda 'cloaked'/merged with the same 'rebels'.

    I feel like I need to understand ONE thing... and I don't yet.
    I know why the Turk/Ottomans deny the Armenian genocide... they did it. (Muslim (and Kurds) vs Christian Orthodox etc.)
    but
    Why does Israel deny the Armenian genocide??? (It seems weird that they constantly 'remind' the world of their own holocaust... yet deny the Armenian holocaust???)

    Apparently it's a BIG deal... and somehow I feel it plays into Turkey and Israel and Syria.

    It's very subtle and not just 'simple'... for instance...
    Turkey poses as the 'sheep' in Astana peace negotiations and de-escalation zones.. to the 'delight' of Russia/Iran. But Israel plays the 'wolf'.
    With the Kurds... it's just the opposite:
    Israel has played the 'sheep' smoothing up on them for decades/encouraging a Kurdistan...
    while Turkey plays the 'wolf' threatening/engaging in genocide.
    But when you 'think' about it: It would amount to the same 'result'... control of N. Syria.

    Someone suggests it goes back to Kaballist jewery during the diaspora. idk.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-22-2018 at 07:33 PM.

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    I am 'researching' something... perhaps you/anyone can enlighten me.

    There is a 'connection' between Turkey and Israel... but it 'transcends' politics. I can't quite put my finger on it.
    It's like their 'surface opposition' to one another 'disappears' the 'higher' or 'deeper' one looks.
    Syria is just a present example... Turkey has the 'northern front'... Israel has the 'southern front'... BOTH using Al Qaeda 'cloaked'/merged with the same 'rebels'.

    I feel like I need to understand ONE thing... and I don't yet.
    I know why the Turk/Ottomans deny the Armenian genocide... they did it. (Muslim (and Kurds) vs Christian Orthodox etc.)
    but
    Why does Israel deny the Armenian genocide??? (It seems weird that they constantly 'remind' the world of their own holocaust... yet deny the Armenian holocaust???)

    Apparently it's a BIG deal... and somehow I feel it plays into Turkey and Israel and Syria.

    It's very subtle and not just 'simple'... for instance...
    Turkey poses as the 'sheep' in Astana and de-escalation zones.. to the 'delight' of Russia/Iran. But Israel plays the 'wolf'.
    With the Kurds... it's just the opposite:
    Israel has played the 'sheep' smoothing up on them for decades/encouraging a Kurdistan...
    while Turkey plays the 'wolf' threatening/engaging in genocide.
    But when you 'think' about it: It would amount to the same 'result'... control of N. Syria.

    Someone suggests it goes back to Kaballist jewery during the diaspora. idk.
    I know that the Ottoman Empire used Jews for prominent officials etc., perhaps there is some proof of some Jews behind the Armenian genocide that has yet to come to light?

    I know Israel wants to be the only special victim in the whole world and if people started recognizing other genocides it would water down their holocaust propaganda, just look at the reaction when Trump pointed out that it wasn't just Jews that the NAZIs killed.

    I think Iran might also be working with Israel under the table at least some times, the fact that Turkey, Iran and the Saudis are all enemies wouldn't prevent Israel from secretly working with all of them to play them off against eachother.
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I know that the Ottoman Empire used Jews for prominent officials etc., perhaps there is some proof of some Jews behind the Armenian genocide that has yet to come to light?
    Yup.. that's it.
    It was a simple search

    It happened in 1915-1923.
    The fact that a 1948+ Israel still denies it even happened speaks volumes.


    Serge
    @Zinvor
    Lebanese president General Michel Aoun is on a visit to Armenia. His first stops were Echmiadzin & the #ArmenianGenocide memorial.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWllgA7WAAYszEJ.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWllgBAX4AEp54d.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWllgBAX0AI2Zrv.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWllgA4WkAEybIM.jpg:large
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  23. #20
    Turkey has raised the possibility of opening a new dialogue with Syria as its supporters threatened to join Kurds in resisting a Turkish invasion in the northwestern district of Afrin.
    Ankara initially denied Tuesday that a massive convoy of fighters supportive of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad— an ally of both Russia and Iran—entered the Kurd-held enclave and later claimed that Turkish airstrikes turned the incoming forces back. Videos surfaced of pro-Syrian government and Kurdish fighters chanting "one Syria," in celebration of an alliance that Ibrahim Kalin, spokesman for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said Wednesday would have "serious consequences" for Assad partisans.

    Kalin also said in a televised address, however, that Turkish intelligence officials "may establish direct or indirect contact when it is required to solve certain problems under extraordinary conditions," Bloomberg News reported. His remarks hinted at the potential for renewed contact between the neighbors, who have been on poor terms since Turkey helped sponsor a 2011 uprising against Assad.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-mu...234903152.html
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  24. #21

  25. #22
    Afrin

    Latest map (After just 1 month, Turkey now holds 20%)





    Aftermath of Aid Convoy strike by Turkey ('secondary' explosions likely visible propane cannisters.)





    Latakia

    First satellite images show two Russian 5th generation Sukhoi Su-57 at Khmeimim air base in Latakia, Syria


  26. #23
    AFRIN

    Turkey welcomes UN Security Council resolution on Syrian ceasefire
    Kurdish YPG says they are ready to observe ceasefire

    and yet...
    Turkish regime escalates aggression on Afrin in violation of UNSC resolution no. 2401
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/tur...ution-no-2401/

    The forces of the Turkish regime and its mercenaries have escalated their continuous aggression against Afrin area in the northern Aleppo countryside,
    in violation of the most recent United Nations Security Council resolution no. 2401 on stopping combat activities in Syria for 30 days.
    (Totally predictable: Turkey sees YPG same as PYD... so continued aggression 'legal' as PYD are on global 'terror watchlist'.

    Turkish-backed rebels within striking distance of large town in Afrin


    -------------

    Saturday speech...
    Erdogan vows to ‘break the arms and wings’ of US-backed forces in Syria

    “They want to sever us from our sisters and brothers by forming a terror corridor along our borders.
    They do not hesitate to link arms with terrorist organizations,” he stated.

    “We believe we will sooner or later bring down the terrorist organizations and those who are behind them,” Erdogan said.


    -------------





    The 'belt' around Afrin has been created.

    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-25-2018 at 09:47 PM.

  27. #24
    After Afrin, Syrian government forces may enter Manbij
    https://ahvalnews.com/syrian-conflic...y-enter-manbij




    "Forces loyal to Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad will enter the city of Manbij in the coming days, following an agreement with the Kurdish dominated Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), an anonymous Kurdish official told Russian news site Sputnik on Saturday."

    (meaning some SDF/Rojavan Kurds are starting to 'defy' US 'diktat'.)

    on the other hand...

    Anadolu (Turk News Agency) grain of salt...
    Pro-Turkey Kurdish militia to join Operation Olive Branch against YPG in Afrin
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...nch-ypg-afrin/


    Macron to Erdogan: Syrian Ceasefire Must Apply to Afrin Operation
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/mac...rin-operation/


    (good luck w/ that)



    IDLIB

    ISIS/HTS(Nusra) ALLIANCE

    ISIS commander Rashed Tuku joins HTS in Idlib
    https://smmsyria.com/2018/02/26/isis...-hts-in-idlib/





    HTS captures largest Ahrar Al-Sham military camp in northern Syria
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...orthern-syria/


    Pictures: HTS seizes enormous amount of tanks from rival rebel faction in Idlib
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/pic...faction-idlib/














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  29. #25
    AFRIN CURRENT







    ALEPPO (yesterday)



    'member when all media/think tanks predicting 'trying to liberate Aleppo' would be the 'end' of Aleppo? (largest city in Syria btw... Damascus is #2)

  30. #26
    Turkish warplanes struck pro-Syrian government forces in the northwestern Afrin region of Syria on Saturday, killing at least 36 of them, as Turkey’s assault in the Kurdish region gathered pace, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

    Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said his country’s forces had captured the town of Rajo from militants. The Observatory said the Turkish army was in control of about 70 percent of the town, about 25 km (16 miles) northwest of Afrin city.
    The SDF statement said a group of Turkish forces and allied Syrian factions had infiltrated Rajo, where it said clashes were continuing between SDF forces and the attackers.

    More at: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mi...-idUKKCN1GF0ED
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Turkish warplanes struck pro-Syrian government forces in the northwestern Afrin region of Syria on Saturday, killing at least 36 of them, as Turkey’s assault in the Kurdish region gathered pace, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

    Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said his country’s forces had captured the town of Rajo from militants. The Observatory said the Turkish army was in control of about 70 percent of the town, about 25 km (16 miles) northwest of Afrin city.
    The SDF statement said a group of Turkish forces and allied Syrian factions had infiltrated Rajo, where it said clashes were continuing between SDF forces and the attackers.

    More at: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mi...-idUKKCN1GF0ED
    By now I think we pretty much know how this is going to go down.
    The Kurds betrayed themselves and their Country in the final analysis...
    they had countless opportunities to 'do the right thing' across the last several years. Sad.

  32. #28
    US Closes Embassy In Ankara Following Unspecified "Terror Threat"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-terror-threat

    News_Executive- @News_Executive ∑ 19 min.
    BREAKING UPDATE: Four ISIS suspects have been arrested in the Samsun province of Turkey. They are alleged to have been preparing to carry out an attack on the US Embassy in Ankara.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    US Closes Embassy In Ankara Following Unspecified "Terror Threat"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-terror-threat

    News_Executive- @News_Executive ∑ 19 min.
    BREAKING UPDATE: Four ISIS suspects have been arrested in the Samsun province of Turkey. They are alleged to have been preparing to carry out an attack on the US Embassy in Ankara.
    It sounds like a nice excuse to break off diplomatic relations, let's see if the embassy ever opens back up.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It sounds like a nice excuse to break off diplomatic relations, let's see if the embassy ever opens back up.
    I think it's going downhill from here.

    related:
    US Navy Boosts Mediterranean Presence As Exxon Set To Explore Offshore Cyprus
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ffshore-cyprus


    This is meant for Erdo... also a mssg to Lebanon re: Block 9 oil.... (Israel)
    Bully gonna bully.

    =======



    The US proxy force is falling apart. (Kurds r going rogue)

    Major SDF faction transports 1200 fighters to assist YPG in Afrin region
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/03/maj...-afrin-region/




    You just can't make this $#@! up.
    Numbers of US backed SDF fighters just took US provided humvees and MRAPs, left Raqqa and east Euphrates
    and are now headed to help their Kurd comrades in Afrin in fight against NATO member Turkey.
    while at the same time:
    Most ridiculous is that also both Turkish backed forces, and US backed SDF forces also wave the well known green rebel flags.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXm1G02VMAE_8z2.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXnH-qHUQAA_nD7.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXnH-qUVMAA01WX.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXnH-qeUQAEdvZN.jpg:large
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXnH-qsVAAAXC0Q.jpg:large

    The US Department of Defense (Pentagon) has accused Turkey of impeding the military operations against the terror organisation of the Islamic State (ISIS) in Syria.

    The Pentagon said that the Turkish operations against the US-backed Kurdish units in the Afrin region have affected the war against ISIS.

    “The cease-fire means that some ground operations led by the Syrian Democratic Forces have been suspended temporarily,” said Pentagon spokesman Col. Robert Manning.

    The spokesman also said that “Syrian Arab factions allied with the Kurds are moving 1700 fighters from the front lines with ISIS to the area of ​​Afrin.”

    The SDF associated “Jaysh Al-Thawar” announced that 1200 of its fighters have been deployed into Afrin area, coming from Raqqa and Deir Ezzor provinces.


    The looming US v Turkey 'showdown' in Manbij ought to be one GIANT cluster$#@!.
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