And then what?Originally Posted by Danke
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And then what?
Officially warning the school would have been a start.
#NashvilleStrong
“I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi
Did he attend that school?
Yes. He was expelled.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/u...-shooting.htmlThe man suspected of opening fire inside a Florida high school on Wednesday, killing at least 17 people, is a former student who had been expelled for disciplinary reasons, the authorities said.
Sheriff Scott Israel of Broward County, Fla., said that the man, Nikolas Cruz, 19, previously attended Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland but was expelled after getting into trouble. He was enrolled at another Broward County school, officials said.
From the FBI....
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...rkland-floridaOn January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
If someone were to call the local sheriff and report "I have noticed something strange at my neighbors house. He has a shed in his back yard. Sometimes at night he will unlock the door, go inside and then he and a young girl, perhaps 13 will exit. He will play on a swing set for an hour then return to the shed with her, afterwards exiting by himself and re-locking the door." Hearsay? Perhaps. Until investigated and either proven or dis-proven.
He failed to shoot himself in the head.
He broke conditioning and fled,, dropping the rifle and ammo.
This kid needs protection as well as competent defense. and his handler needs to be investigated as well.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
So that they could call the FBI and tell them about a threat?
Jimmy Rybicki was FBI Director Comey's Chief of Staff . . . an equivalent to Nixon's H.R. Haldeman, but Rybicki is looking at more prison time for seditious conspiracy -
Strozk, Page and the Ohr family household can plead for lighter sentences - or down to multiple counts of misdemeanor.
Rybicki can hang, but boxcar his felonies and let Jim spend the rest of his life in the Federal penitentiary of his choice. He'll have a job there, laundering or sometin'
There's probably a special wing at adult daycare for USG tools like for mobsters in Goodfellas.
I believe you are being deliberately obtuse. No, Junior, so they could watch for him or install an airlock system at the main door, or have armed security on campus. There were a lot of things they could have done. If they had known in time, they could have accomplished all of that on winter break.
There were many things the school system, the local government, and the state government could have done had they known there was a threat in that area by someone who had attended school in that area.
There are never any guarantees, but there is always more than can be done. The threat itself was enough to bring Cruz in for questioning.
Last edited by euphemia; 02-18-2018 at 10:57 AM.
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“I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi
This whole mess just reinforces Randal's point that he has made many times; that the intelligence community has spent so much effort collecting everybit of information on everybody that that can't see/investigate the real threats. they are busy listening to the noise and missing the signal.
The state of Florida has the Baker Act, "under which he can be held involuntarily for up to 12 hours for an involuntary psychiatric exam."
They put this questionable law on their books and probably celebrated themselves when it passed. Under what circumstances did they imagine using it, if not for something like this?
School shooter’s brother committed to mental facility
By Dean Balsamini February 17, 2018 | 11:26a
...Authorities removed someone Friday from the home of Rocxanne Deschamps, a longtime family friend of the Cruz brothers who took them in after their adoptive mother died of pneumonia in November, The Palm Beach Post reported.
A friend of Deschamps confirmed Zachary Cruz, who turns 18 next week, was the person removed from the home.
The younger Cruz brother was involuntarily committed under Florida’s Baker Act, under which he can be held involuntarily for up to 12 hours for an involuntary psychiatric exam. It’s unclear if he’s been released.
Nikolas Cruz left Deschamps’ Lantana, FL mobile home around Thanksgiving after he and Deschamps squared off over a gun.
“He bought a gun and wanted to bring it into my house,” she said in comments that have since been wiped from her Facebook page, the paper reported.
Chad Bennett, a family friend, said Deschamps gave Cruz an ultimatum and Cruz “chose the gun and he left.” He moved in with family in northern Broward county, a Cruz family lawyer told the newspaper...
https://nypost.com/2018/02/17/school...ental-facility
It's not the psych meds, guns or anything else. It's da woemenz!
https://rare.us/rare-news/across-the...-nikolas-cruz/In another disturbing development, a new report shows that a Florida child services agency knew about Nikolas Cruz and even investigated him.
The Florida Department of Children and Families was tipped off about Cruz after he cut his arms on a Snapchat video and indicated that he planned to buy a gun, according to the Sun-Sentinel. The department even visited Cruz and questioned him before eventually determining that he “was at a low risk of harming himself or others.”
It’s unclear how the investigation began, as the state’s report does not say who called in the tip, but the agents visited Cruz in November 2016–a few months before his mother died. At that time, Cruz was undergoing mental health counseling. His mother told investigators that Cruz’s depression was a result of a breakup with a girl “who was cheating on him.”
The FBI hotline / tipline is routinely ignored - they won't investigate or return a call as follow-up to a tipster to "investigate".
Is it because it may not be a federal issue/jurisdiction . . . but heck, cross a state line with an out-of-state license plate (not what happened in Floride but just sayin')
and attempt murder using vehicle as a weapon, but they won't investigate. They may as well close the Federal Bureau of Incompetence with that "tipline".
Too busy with Strozk and Page trists of fornicating or whatevr they do in the sack to "investigate" anything really. They blew it again with Cruz it seems.
And the scenario with the 13-yr old yadayada is a state issue the FBI would and will ignore on first glance - never gets investigated.
FBI= morons
Yep, +rep
I wondered how long it would take for him to become Jason Bourne....
That's what whiskeys for.It's not the psych meds, guns or anything else. It's da woemenz!
https://rare.us/rare-news/across-the...-nikolas-cruz/
Last edited by Raginfridus; 02-18-2018 at 04:40 PM.
This type of stuff never happened in the 50s, 60s, 70s or 80s. And you could own all types of lethal weapons. Anyone with a working brain can see that this isn't a weapons problem.
It's not the psych meds, guns or anything else. It's da woemenz!guns and whiskey ?
Last edited by Jan2017; 02-18-2018 at 10:06 PM.
The end of the Cold War and the need for a new bogeyman.
Must be cultural.
Social Engineering.
Elitist culture perhaps.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
How many of these pieces of "intel" do they get on a regular basis? If every suspected person was put in jail there'd be twice as many people in jail
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
Also how many of these school shootings take place in private schools?
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
it happened but it wasn't on the news for 5 weeks and there was no internet for people to learn this information
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
NO,, it did not.
and I went to a school with over 2000 students and lots of guns.
Had a shooting range in the basement.. We trained with M-14s. Had an armory,, 3 full auto.
This $#@! didn't happen. Not till after the creation of the CIA,, and MKultra.
Drug manufacturers and Headshrinkers+Wargamers. Social Control. Mind Control.
They have had the ability to create monsters at will.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
I know your comment was tongue-in-cheek, but there is no question that a breakup/divorce can send an already unstable man "over the edge".It's not the psych meds, guns or anything else. It's da woemenz!
https://rare.us/rare-news/across-the...-nikolas-cruz/
Wow, confirms what I have thought all along.
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