[17 Dead] Numerous Fatalities at Douglas High School, Parkland, FL

[Swordsmyth]

I'm sure if one country existed in the borders of America, it may have a low gun crime, but considering the reality that wouldn't happen or exist. Canada doesn't have America's problem.

And it didn't before it cracked down on guns, Canada has plenty of it's own problems, why don't you go tell them what to do? (They are still part of the empire, we had the sense to get out)

[Swordsmyth]

No it hasn't. In Kentucky, there are places that still look to the past. Gun problem is the problem of history there, that is why the people don't want to change that, I doubt getting rid of all weapons is an option, but certainly putting an end to this rubbish with what happened this young guy and that weapon is a start. Then all of you can prove me wrong.

Get lost, our culture has been subverted by your kind of scum and these incidents are their fault.

[Raginfridus]

It has changed.. and this is the result..

It has changed in a great many ways,, Authoritarian/Socialist ideals have been adopted,, to our detriment.

There is no authority in America, only tyranny. Power has been broken and distributed so broadly that policy is made by beaurocrats and all real powers reside in them. No, there is no authority, only the tyranny of the masses.

[Raginfridus]

No it hasn't. In Kentucky, there are places that still look to the past. Gun problem is the problem of history there, that is why the people don't want to change that, I doubt getting rid of all weapons is an option, but certainly putting an end to this rubbish with what happened this young guy and that weapon is a start. Then all of you can prove me wrong.

Wow, dumb$#@!!

[pcosmar]

There is no authority in America, only tyranny. Power has been broken and distributed so broadly that policy is made by beaurocrats and all real powers reside in them. No, there is no authority, only the tyranny of the masses.

Authoritarian.. I said "authoritarian".

It is not necessary to have any legitimate authority,,to be an authoritarian..

if you doubt such,, challenge the "authority",, and it will be on full display.

[Raginfridus]

Yeah, I'm referring to authoritarian. We have a tyranny, but it definitely isn't hierarchical. The further up one goes, the weaker become the tools and figureheads.

Whose authority would I challenge, a cop's? Thats my point. This government's a broken cluster$#@! of tinpot gods, because dumbfucks like republicanguy vote for more beaurocracy, more power dispersed to token agencies and such $#@!s that use governance as a means of coercion.

My local fire marshal has more power than Trump.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

America finally gets an Orange Revolution. . .

[Raginfridus]

Real power rests with the alphabet agencies, probably at a regional level. As with the case of that dirty sheriff who said "I live for this $#@!", at a local level too. It's only when corruption's exposed does the elected class share token disgust on safe network news, and then they go quiet again.

[XNavyNuke]

Hey, I know that most of you aren't on Fedbook but if anyone is...you are needed. The anti-2A brainwashed libs are overwhelmingly outnumbering everyone else… Please educate them: https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/...type=3&theater

Is it just me, or does it pain others to see this? They're literally laughing and mocking those who are simply saying that people have a right to defend themselves.

I have relatives who are NRA instructors. Several times they have gotten their accounts frozen by people who complain about their posts on training issues. You have to be very careful what you say because it is so easy to be silenced there. I stopped posting firearms related issues entirely.

Hope you have better luck.

XNN

[pcosmar]

My local fire marshal has more power than Trump.

Why should he have any "power" ?

Power is the root of the problem.. and giving power.
Power Corrupts..

[Raginfridus]

Trump or the fire marshal?

[Anti Federalist]

In the past they have, but we live in an interconnected world, so long as energy continues, I don't see that changing. I think some users on here are walking with too many paranoid thoughts, and with history on their backs to the point of extreme.

Why don't you go and peddle your citizen disarmament schemes to the million plus dead in Rwanada, killed for belonging to a different funny named tribe, helpless and utterly disarmed, most of whom whacked to death by machetes and knives.

You Bolsheviks want to disarm us, by us I mean the last remnant of freedom folks, the mostly rural, mostly white people that are putting ourselves into early graves desperately trying to keep the wheels on this train wreck of a society that people like you have gone a long way towards destroying, the vast, vast majority of whom have never hurt anybody with our firearms, while at the same time demanding that we open our doors to millions and millions of migrants from countries where genocides have happened in recent history, and then poo-poo our legitimate consternation at these two facts, while at the same time whipping up leftist Bolsheviks mobs and fellow travelers in the streets and in academia and in media that are calling for a genocide against us.

Let me address that, very simply: go and $#@! yourself.

You want my guns?

Come and get them.

[Republicanguy]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Why do I need a handgun, so I can kill a ghetto boy, or shoot my crap neighbors, man get real, you silly folk....from the south?

Rwanda is a product of colonial history, that is a bad example.

[euphemia]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Self-defense is a constitutionally protected right of all Americans. We fought a revolution about basic rights and won. Maybe you forgot that part of history.

[AuH20]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Why do I need a handgun, so I can kill a ghetto boy, or shoot my crap neighbors, man get real, you silly folk....from the south?

Rwanda is a product of colonial history, that is a bad example.

[Ender]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Why do I need a handgun, so I can kill a ghetto boy, or shoot my crap neighbors, man get real, you silly folk....from the south?

Rwanda is a product of colonial history, that is a bad example.

"An armed society is a polite society."
-Robert A. Heinlein-

[asurfaholic]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Why do I need a handgun, so I can kill a ghetto boy, or shoot my crap neighbors, man get real, you silly folk....from the south?

Rwanda is a product of colonial history, that is a bad example.

Your true colors are leaking out, boy.

[phill4paul]

Why don't you go and peddle your citizen disarmament schemes to the million plus dead in Rwanada, killed for belonging to a different funny named tribe, helpless and utterly disarmed, most of whom whacked to death by machetes and knives.

You Bolsheviks want to disarm us, by us I mean the last remnant of freedom folks, the mostly rural, mostly white people that are putting ourselves into early graves desperately trying to keep the wheels on this train wreck of a society that people like you have gone a long way towards destroying, the vast, vast majority of whom have never hurt anybody with our firearms, while at the same time demanding that we open our doors to millions and millions of migrants from countries where genocides have happened in recent history, and then poo-poo our legitimate consternation at these two facts, while at the same time whipping up leftist Bolsheviks mobs and fellow travelers in the streets and in academia and in media that are calling for a genocide against us.

Let me address that, very simply: go and $#@! yourself.

You want my guns?

Come and get them.

He's not worth the trouble my friend unless you want to vent steam. In which case you did it wonderfully.

[Anti Federalist]

He's not worth the trouble my friend unless you want to vent steam. In which case you did it wonderfully.

Nah, I realize that, whoever RG may be, he isn't going to listen or care about what I have to say.

It was just sort a general vent and rant and shout of defiance at the progressive Bolshevik left.

[acptulsa]

Rwanda is a product of colonial history, that is a bad example.

We're products of colonial history, too, Einstein. While your ancestors were blithely allowing hungry children to be executed for stealing loaves of bread--and saying oh, gee, that must be the right thing to do or the king wouldn't be doing it--our ancestors were getting the hell out and burning our bridges behind us. That's why countless of these situations get prevented here by armed citizens who take out the psychotic before he or she can hurt more than one innocent person.

But, of course, you won't believe me when I tell you that, because you didn't see it on the BBC. Well, you know, we don't mind if you remain willfully ignorant. But we wish you'd stop acting surprised when we don't fall on our faces and thank you for your half-baked, ill-considered, terrible, unsolicited advice on how we should run a country which you could never hope to understand or appreciate.

If you're so sure you understand the finer points of this situation, let me ask you this: What did Hitler do to the Roma, and the Jews, and the communists like you, first? Give up? He disarmed them first. That was his first order of business. Now, what if they had refused to comply? Would that have been a terrible thing?

Of course, you're going to tell me that was a different situation. Hitler was involved. And I have to admit, Trump doesn't look much like Hitler. He looks a lot more like Mussolini. But what he's doing to Northern Africa, it took both Il Duce and his crazy buddy to do. So you'll just have to excuse us if we choose to retain the ability to protect our Jews.

And if you don't like it, well, we've already made several helpful suggestions about what you can do...

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Almost. Actual stupidity is refusing to learn from history, and condemning yourself to repeat it. It takes a post-Stalin communist to be that stupid.

[pcosmar]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.
.

I am sad and angry precisely because I accept history as a sad reality. I am angry when I see it repeated.

[Krugminator2]

I view the absolutists on gun ownership the same way I view people who are absolutists on tax abolition. I think both positions are impractical and would yield a worse result.

The thing is automatic weapons are basically banned. We do have background checks. We had an assault weapons ban but only a rounding error are killed with what would be called assault weapons that doesn't make a statistical difference. I can't figure out what the left actually wants to do with gun laws. They keep saying they want laws that already exist. Yet, they seem oblivious to that fact. I suspect what they are really saying is they want mass gun confiscation like Australia or Japan, which I am certainly not in favor of.

[Anti Federalist]

I suspect what they are really saying is they want mass gun confiscation like Australia or Japan, which I am certainly not in favor of.

That is most assuredly what they want.

House to house searches and confiscations.

Can't have a genocide if your victims are armed.

[pcosmar]

I view the absolutists on gun ownership the same way I view people who are absolutists on tax abolition. I think both positions are impractical and would yield a worse result.

The thing is automatic weapons are basically banned. We do have background checks. We had an assault weapons ban but only a rounding error are killed with what would be called assault weapons that doesn't make a statistical difference. I can't figure out what the left actually wants to do with gun laws. They keep saying they want laws that already exist. Yet, they seem oblivious to that fact. I suspect what they are really saying is they want mass gun confiscation like Australia or Japan, which I am certainly not in favor of.

I absolutely am an absolutist. Precisely because I am prohibited..

None of those Gun Laws are necessary,, and none has prevented a crime.. ever.
None are valid under our Constitution.

Gun Laws were all about controlling people. not guns.
Disarmed people are easily controlled by people with guns.
Armed people sometimes resist.. and kill those that oppress them.

Authoritarians do not like the ability to resist.

[euphemia]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Why do I need a handgun, so I can kill a ghetto boy, or shoot my crap neighbors, man get real, you silly folk....from the south?

Rwanda is a product of colonial history, that is a bad example.

You darned well might have saved some teens at the Ariana concert.

[Firestarter]

After Nikolas Cruz's adopted mother Lynda Cruz died on 1 November 2017, Cruz stayed briefly with family friends the Deschamps.
Later in November 2017, Nikolas Cruz had to leave the Deschamps and moved in with James and Kimberly Snead, and their 17-year-old son.

James Snead, 48, works for the military intelligence.

The Sneads made Cruz buy a locking gun safe for the AR-15 and 2 other rifles. James Snead thought he had the only key to the cabinet.

On the day of the shooting, Cruz told them he wouldn’t go to school because: “It’s Valentine’s Day and I don’t go to school on Valentine’s Day”.
Cruz had a cast on his right hand for a “boxer’s fracture”, which would have made the shooting even more difficult. The Sneads now think he removed the cast, the day of the shooting.

Cruz told the Sneads he would inherit at least $800,000 from his deceased adopting parents when he turned 22.

They saw Cruz when they were picking up their 17-year-old son that had been questioned by the cops.
Kimberly yelled: “Really, Nik? Really?”
According to James Snead: “He said he was sorry. He apologized. He looked lost, absolutely lost”: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...217-story.html


“Hero” librarian Diana Haneski saved the lives of 55 by locking 50 students and 5 adults into a media equipment room and locking the doors.
That was even before shots were heard, when she had heard on her radio that the school was on lockdown.
Haneski said:

I could see between the door and the floor. I could see if the bad guy – the shooter – walked past.
At first it was just lockdown then right away we heard ‘shooting’. We heard his name.

I haven’t yet found out how they knew that the killer was Nikolas Cruz. He was reportedly wearing a gas mask…

Haneski, 57, said she knew what to do because her friend Yvonne Cech, a fellow librarian, had saved 22 people during the Sandy Hook “event” in 2012 by locking them up in a small cupboard: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8215261.html

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

^ always a mask during such events ^

[donnay]

^ always a mask during such events ^

Maybe it is so that they can insert a patsy? Or maybe they are a member of Antifa?

[CCTelander]

Seriously too many sad angry men on here, they just can't accept history is history. It is almost stupidity.

Why do I need a handgun, so I can kill a ghetto boy, or shoot my crap neighbors, man get real, you silly folk....from the south?

Rwanda is a product of colonial history, that is a bad example.

This goes here:

Murder by Gun Control
by L. Neil Smith
lneil@lneilsmith.org

Special to TLE

Why is everybody being so damned polite?

No sane individual living in the last days of the 20th century would knowingly welcome Nazis, the KGB, the Khmer Rouge, the ATF, or the FBI into their homes. We've learned too much from what happened to Jews in Germany, Kulaks in Russia, "landlords" in China, everybody in Cambodia, and victims of state terrorism at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

But let the Jackbooted Thugs' Ladies' Auxiliary slap on makeup and broomstick skirts, let them prattle in squeaky little girl voices and breathe their vegetarian breath all over us, and for some reason we think we have to ask them in and offer them chamomile tea.

Well, to hell with that. I used to give a lecture at the local university that began like this: "Until this morning you could plead ignorance for positions you take or fail to take on the moral and political issues of the day. When you leave this classroom an hour from now, having heard the facts I'm about to present, it'll either be as a brand new libertarian, or as a fully self-aware fascist monster."

Today I say the same to politicians, bureaucrats, cops, Handgun Control, Inc., Colorado Governor Bill Owens, and those so miserably lacking in originality that they had to plagiarize Louis Farrakan (of all people) and launch a "Million Moms March". Also, anybody else who thinks it's morally acceptable to use the hired guns of government to take everybody else's guns away.

Gun control may have felt like a nice, warm, fuzzy idea to its advocates back in the 1960s. However today, owing to a great deal of serious legal and historical scholarship -- and a series of horrifying but highly educational events -- anyone who wishes to violate the fundamental covenant on which this nation is based, by attempting to outlaw personal weapons, has to get past three extremely inconvenient but absolutely incontrovertible facts.

(1) Every year, in this nation of more than a quarter billion individuals, a few thousand (three quarters of them suicides) are killed with firearms, while _millions_ of Americans successfully use personal weapons to save themselves and others from injury or death. Guns save many, many times more lives than they take.

(2) In every jurisdiction that has made it even microscopically easier for individuals to carry weapons, violent crime rates have plummeted by double-digit percentages. Vermont, where no permission of any kind is required to carry a gun, is named in many respectable surveys as the safest state to live in.

(3) More telling and urgent, every episode of genocidal mass murder in history has been preceded by a period of intense disarming of the civil population, usually with "public safety" or "national security" as an excuse. According to Amnesty International -- hardly a gang of right wing crazies -- in the 20th century alone (in events entirely separate from war), governments have slaughtered more than a hundred million people, usually their own citizens.

The U.S. is far from immune. Look up "Operation Keelhaul".

Clearly, if those millions had been armed, they couldn't have been murdered by their own governments. And if the governments hadn't known where all the weapons were and who possessed them, the people couldn't have been disarmed. It follows, then, that no amount of gun control -- especially "soft" measures like registering guns or gun owners -- is reasonable or safe. Those who tremble at the idea of personal weapons -- "hoplophobes" is the diagnostic term -- are fond of saying that guns are made for only one purpose. Well, gun control serves only one purpose, too -- the incapacitation and extermination of whole peoples.

That's why we call it by its right name: "victim disarmament".

If you think it can't happen here, ask Donald Scott (look him up, too). Ask Vicky and Sammy Weaver. Ask 82 innocent men, women, and children (two dozen beautiful, harmless, helpless little children) from the Seventh Day Adventist church at Mount Carmel near Waco, Texas. Oops, you can't ask them, can you? Because they're all dead -- murdered in cold blood by government terrorists who have yet to be brought to justice.

Let's ask some questions that everybody on my side's been too polite -- too damned polite -- to ask before.

What kind of mind would sacrifice millions for the sake of a few thousands, especially when it's been demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that victim disarmament can't save even those thousands?

What kind of mind wants a return to mean streets and ever-soaring crime rates?

What kind of mind collaborates with agents of mass murder and genocide?

Make no mistake: you victim disarmament types are sick, sick people, in the words of T.D. Melrose, who'd rather see a woman raped in an alley and strangled with her own pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand.

You're people, down deep in your blackened, shriveled souls, who wait like vultures, secretly delighted whenever atrocities like the Columbine shootings occur -- atrocities whose only significance to you is their usefulness in advancing your political agenda. Dancing in the blood of innocents, just like the lying, thieving, murdering rapist you've sent to the White House twice in a row.

You're people who, like German voters in the 1930s, have empowered and unleashed on your decent and unsuspecting neighbors the most evil and violent terrorist bureaucracy in American history.

You're people, in short, who must be stupid, insane, or evil to continue arguing -- in the face of indisputable facts and irrefutable logic -- that others must be forced into a state of helplessness and victimized by individual criminals or the state.

Stupid, insane, or evil.

You are morally responsible for what happened at Waco. It was undertaken (bad choice of words, probably) by your favorite agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, at your behest, in your name, in pursuance of the policies you've always advocated. The blood of those babies, of their mommies and daddies, is on your head. You did it. You killed them as surely as if it were your hands at the controls of those tanks.

Stupid, insane, or evil.

Harsh words, but what's the point in being polite to advocates of mass murder and genocide? Those are the alernatives: stupid, insane, or evil. Smart people, sane people, good people know, in the words of Robert A. Heinlein, that "An armed society is a polite society."

If you were interested in saving lives -- even one life -- you'd join me in demanding that the Bill of Rights be stringently enforced, that the 25,000 gun laws on he books (each and every one illegal, each and every one responsible for the injury or death of countless individuals) be repealed, nullified, or otherwise disposed of.

Immediately.

For the children.

You'd agree that, as long as we permit the public school system to continue to exist, it has an obligation to instruct children, starting in kindergarten, in the safe and effective use of firearms.

Allow me to repeat that: "safe and effective use".

Emphasis on "effective".

Now don't go all soft and skooshy on me. I can see the razor wire and bayonets behind your New Age gobbledegook. I can hear the tramp, tramp, tramp as you goose-step to the Horst Wessel Song. I can smell the first faint traces of gas seeping from your chambers of death.

Let's make it clear for the dimmest bulbs among you: the kids at Columbine High didn't die from too many guns, they died from too few. I'm not suggesting that the teachers should have carried guns -- not as franchised agents of the state. They should have carried guns as ordinary individuals, exercising a sacred right, and in performance of a solemn duty to protect the young lives that were placed -- very foolishly, as it turned out -- in their hands.

What's more, those young lives needed weapons, too. Instead, they were forbidden the means of self-defense -- even, in effct, the knowledge of self-defense -- and like millions of victims before them, their numbers were added to the ongoing Gun Control Holocaust.

And you killed them.

Stupid, insane, or evil.

You killed them all.

How many more helpless individuals will have to die for you -- be sacrificed on the altar of your nice, warm, fuzzy idea -- before you see what you've done? Don Kates, Gary Kleck, Sandford Levinson, John Lott, all were card-carrying liberal college professors who somehow forced themselves to look at the facts instead of the lint in their bellybuttons. All (and others) have reached the conclusion that the Second Amendment says exactly what we "gun nuts" always claimed it did, and that society is better off if its members have personal weapons handy. " More Guns, Less Crime" is how Lott puts it.

"Million Moms March", indeed. When you came to my town of 100,000, all you could attract was four deluded idiots. There were 16 times that number out in the parking lot, picketing your meeting!

Measly, Miniscule March.

Stupid, insane, or evil. Those are the choices. Be honest. Call yourselves "Mush Minded Morons" if you decide that stupid is the least intolerable of the options available. If you choose insane, how about "Mentally Mangled Messes"? If you want to go straight to evil, "Mass Murdering Monsters". They're alliterative as hell, and truthful.

Stupid, insane, or evil. Like it or not, after today, those three words are going to start hanging around your necks like the fabled rotting albatross until, no matter where you go, no matter what you try to say, the first association your presence calls up in people's minds will be "mass murdering genocides".

Stupid, insane, or evil.

Or all of the above.

Your choice.

L. Neil Smith is publisher of The Libertarian Enterprise and author of 24 books including The Probability Broach, The Lando Calrissian Adventures, Forge of the Elders (forthcoming in April, 2000) and The Mitzvah, with JPFO founder and executive director Aaron Zelman. Order these books at: http://www.lneilsmith.org//lnsbooks.html

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2000/libe68-20000331-07.html

It's from 2000 so some of the references may be a bit dated, but the general thrust of the essay is still spot on. I doubt it will lead to any kind of enlightenment within the willfully ignorant, but others may glean some benefit from it.

[Raginfridus]

Maybe it is so that they can insert a patsy? Or maybe they are a member of Antifa?

It's probably for added drama on the shooter's part, and so they can't get a quick ID. It would make throwing somebody under the bus easier.