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    French President Emmanuel Macron says he is prepared to "strike" Syria if evidence is found to support claims that President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons against civilians, though noted that French intelligence agencies do not have any such proof.

    On chemical weapons, I set a red line and I reaffirm that red line,” Macron told reporters in Paris on Tuesday. “Today, our agencies, our armed forces have not established that chemical weapons, as set out in treaties, have been used against the civilian population.”
    “We have some indications of possible chlorine use [in Syria], but we have no absolute confirmation... So we, alongside the others, are working on trying to confirm this, as we clearly have to get the facts straight.” -French Defense Minister Florence Parly
    Facilities used to store and "originate" chemical weapons shipments would be the primary targets, said the French President, who also told reporters that he warned Russian President Vladimir Putin of France's plans during a phone call last Friday.
    I've reiterated it to President Putin, asking to make it very clear to the Syrian regime, which has reaffirmed that it does not use chemical weapons … but we are watching it,” Macron stated.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ons-used-syria
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    Macron Walks Back Syria Attack "Red-Line" Comment

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-14/macron-walks-back-syria-attack-red-line-comment
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    That's quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    That's quick.
    When you're the French it doesn't pay to try to act tough.
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    Yeah, I guess their toughest resettled in Canada...

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    Yeah, well how you going to prove it frog?

    Please tell me why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Yeah, I guess their toughest resettled in Canada...
    Or died in the trenches of WWI.
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    Did France declare war on Syria? Are they going to attack Syria unilaterally, or wait for a "coalition of the willing". Where did they get the idea that they could do that?
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    Paths of Glory is a great movie. See it if you haven't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Did France declare war on Syria? Are they going to attack Syria unilaterally, or wait for a "coalition of the willing". Where did they get the idea that they could do that?
    The west is divesting from Iran to crash their economy, Syria on their list, they want to do it before the french banks fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Paths of Glory is a great movie. See it if you haven't.
    I have.

    The French troops should have had a REAL mutiny and killed their generals instead of just having a strike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Paths of Glory is a great movie. See it if you haven't.
    Ya this is a Kubrick film for those who don't know - it's not quite Full Metal Jacket but good in it's own way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Macron Walks Back Syria Attack "Red-Line" Comment

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...d-line-comment
    Related?

    Russia’s Center for Reconciliation in Syria says it’s been warned that Jabhat Al-Nusra terrorists brought in chlorine containers to a local village, where they aimed to work with the White Helmets to stage “a provocation.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/tip-of...moscow/5629269
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    France is prepared to launch targeted strikes against any site in Syria used to deploy chemical attacks that result in the deaths of civilians, President Emmanuel Macron said.Shortly before the United Nations was due to discuss Syria, Macron said Moscow, a close ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government, had not done enough to permit relief efforts into the rebel-held Damascus suburb of eastern Ghouta.
    Asked about the Syrian conflict at a news conference in India, Macron said France would be ready to strike if it found "irrefutable evidence" chemical weapons had been used to kill.
    "The day we have, in particular in tandem with our American partners, irrefutable proof that the red line was crossed -- namely the chemical weapons were used to lethal effect -- we will do what the Americans themselves did moreover a few months ago; we would put ourselves in position to proceed with targeted strikes," Macron said.
    The French leader has made the threat before but has so far made little headway influencing events in Syria.
    "We are cross-matching our own information with that of our allies but to put it very clearly we have an independent capacity to identify targets and launch strikes where needed."

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-st...-business.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When you're the French it doesn't pay to try to act tough.
    al Nusra is the enemy, Mr. Macron
    With terrorists, France or the UN or anybody will not really know exactly who is "crossing red lines" -

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya this is a Kubrick film for those who don't know - it's not quite Full Metal Jacket but good in it's own way.

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    NOT A SINGLE WESTERN JOURNALIST


    Sharmine Narwani

    Was in E. Ghouta today, 25 meters from a battlefront btwn Shifouniyeh & Misraba, areas recently liberated from militants.
    Western journalists flock to humanitarian corridor in north,
    but not a single one visited this makeshift chemical lab discovered by the SAA yesterday.

    With the US threatening direct attacks on Syria because of alleged chemical weapons use,
    and the Russians & Syrians claiming militants are using CWs to provoke a US attack...
    you would think western journalists would be all over this terrorist-run lab - even if to debunk it.

    I couldn't even hazard a guess at what was cooking in this terrorist-run lab in East Ghouta.
    This stuff needs to be tested by independent experts, but the int'l community isn't interested.
    You'd think they'd want a look before Trump starts a war over fake WMDs.

    SAA says they tested these canisters immediately & found traces of chlorine.
    Chlorine weapons were first used in Aleppo around 2013.
    At the time, western-backed terrorists had taken control of Syria's only chlorine manufacturing plant,
    based in E. Aleppo and co-owned by Saudis.

    Whatever chemicals were being manufactured in this lab, were likely created for use in warfare.
    To be delivered in the projectiles dumped in corners of the facility.






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    As French President Emmanuel Macron pushes for the draft, NATO is creating conditions for wars in which large draftee armies could be deployed. And as May’s threats show, events are moving towards not only war in the Middle East, but also a clash with a nuclear-armed opponent, Russia. The debate in France also points to political issues behind May’s decision to escalate a confrontation with Russia before any serious investigation of the Skripal affair takes place. Behind the rush to judgment in this as-yet unclarified case, powerful factions of the European ruling class are working out how to mount a military escalation aimed at Russia, Turkey and Syria.
    The first signal came on Monday evening from ex-President François Hollande, who pushed for a NATO war with Syria in 2013 despite Russian opposition, and then had to make a humiliating climb-down after Washington decided not to attack. Having abandoned public life last year, after taking the unprecedented decision not to run for re-election due to his unpopularity, he emerged from retirement to call for war in Le Monde.
    Hollande laid out a stunning list of targets. Implicitly taking Macron’s policy to task, he warned about Russia and its ties to Turkey and Syria:
    “Russia has been rearming for years now, and if it is threatening, it must be threatened. By allowing Ankara to bomb our Kurdish allies in Syria, Moscow is also trying to divide NATO. Barely a year ago, [Russian President] Vladimir Putin could not find harsh enough words for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Now, these two countries have agreed on a partition of Syria.”
    Hollande stressed that what is at stake is not just Syria, but the world order and French imperialism’s position in it:
    “The issue is how to respond to Vladimir Putin, not so much how to respond to [Syrian President] Bashar al-Assad. … The West must realize the true scope of the danger.”
    Implicitly referring to Macron’s calls for dialog with Putin, Hollande added that “talking to Putin” should not mean “letting him advance his interests unchecked,” and that since Trump is unpredictable, “it is up to France, Europe, NATO to take action.”
    Beyond Russia, he called for enforcing no-fly zones in Syria against Syrian and Turkish planes in Ghouta and Afrin—that is, shooting them down if they were in these areas—asking,
    “What sort of ally is Turkey to launch strikes against our own allies?”
    Targeting Macron, he added,
    “If I supported the Kurds in context of our coalition, it is not to leave them in their current situation. If I was very hard on Bashar al-Assad’s regime, and I was consistently hard, it was not to let him liquidate political opposition and massacre his own people.”
    Hollande’s comments drew a bitter retort from Macron defending his record since his election:
    “Since last May, France has pursued a consistent and coherent policy, without being complicit but trying to be effective, by restoring dialog. These last years in Syria, has the absence of full dialog with Russia allowed us to progress further?”
    Without naming Hollande, Macron attacked him for calling for ground war when Hollande did not launch one himself in 2013:

    “We must be clear, France will not intervene militarily on the ground in Syria. I say that very firmly. And I believe some people who are giving lessons today took the same decisions.”
    Nonetheless, Macron soon found himself facing an advocate of confrontation with Turkey in his own cabinet. Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, who was Hollande’s defence minister, criticized Turkey’s intervention in Afrin, declaring:
    “The struggle against the Islamic State is the principal reason for our military intervention in the Levant. It is a national security priority, and we fear that the Turkish action there will ultimately weaken the pressure on the remaining IS forces in Syria.”
    And the Journal de Dimanche called for a “European response” to the Skripal case, pressing for the European Union (EU) to adopt London’s line against Moscow. Paris and Berlin, it wrote,
    “discuss rather ‘frankly’ with Vladimir Putin, and cannot afford to remain silent. We cannot let Russia sink deeper rifts into the EU with such behavior. Italy, Greece, Hungary and other smaller countries are being wooed by Moscow to be more indulgent. If Europe wants to defend itself, and not only on cyber or energy issues, it must do so in unity.”
    A bitter battle is raging in the ruling elite. Yesterday, right-wing ex-prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin criticised May and warned of the potential for military escalation.
    He said,
    “I believe Mrs Theresa May went too far in this reaction before having any results of the inquiry, before having very precise elements to make a firm accusation. … When Mrs Theresa May appeals to British public opinion in order to alert it, to say ‘If we are attacked we will respond,’ naturally the Russians will answer, ‘If you respond, we will respond to your response’. That is called escalation, and that is what is dangerous.”
    Youth and workers must be warned: none of the politicians in this debate want peace. All are willing to send masses of people to fight overseas. Macron is calling for a return to the draft and stepped-up war in Mali; as prime minister, Raffarin oversaw the early stages of France’s intervention in Ivory Coast and participation in the NATO occupation of Afghanistan. They disagree not over whether to wage imperialist wars, but over the best strategy to wage them.

    More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/french...russia/5632403
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    Macron walks hand in hand with Sheikh al Maktoum of Dubai on the steps of the Elysées Palace




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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Macron walks hand in hand with Sheikh al Maktoum of Dubai on the steps of the Elysées Palace



    Tolerance of Musharraf speaks volumes of your leniency toward scumbags. Dealing with France may challenge your mercies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Macron walks hand in hand with Sheikh al Maktoum of Dubai on the steps of the Elysées Palace



    The holding hands bit is creepy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The holding hands bit is creepy.
    Only because they're dressed for the top of a wedding cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The holding hands bit is creepy.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Only because they're dressed for the top of a wedding cake.
    And as they take hands together, who will lead as they dance together ?


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