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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    That's why I hardly ever come here any more except to look at the charts on the home page....the silliness of politics is just....well.....too silly.
    Why don't you go do it for free then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    ....says the guy accepting stolen money for pay. smh
    You donít think ďrepresentativesĒ should be paid buy those they represent?

    So only rich folks run for office?

    the tax system needs fixing, no doubt, but it is what we have. What else do you do full time for free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So you don't think we tax enough? Because otherwise, you are taking his comment out of context in order to flip it to the wrong conclusion.
    I'm afraid you have misunderstood something here. The quote read:

    But I refuse to concede that we have a tax problem ó we have a spending problem, and I will continue to fight to fix it.
    I believe I properly interpreted that statement, and I wholly disagree with it. We have a HUGE tax problem. The fact that we tax is a problem. Beyond that, it is only a question of to what degree. I don't accept any degree. How you come to conclude that I feel we don't tax enough escapes me completely. But let me reiterate, lest we go around this carousel yet again: taxation is robbery, and therefore criminal in sť. Therefore, no level of taxation is morally supportable.

    Claro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Then we agree. I've had enough of the naivete that voting for Republicans is going to result in less government than voting for Democrats. Or that the "right" wing is going to make us more free than the "left" wing.
    The slavery of the "right" is by all means prettier than that of the "left". The two cannot be compared, but slavery is still slavery. Therefore, marketing carries but a very short distance with me.

    That said, I am wiling to accept the "right's" version of slavery as a temporary measure and stepping stone toward bigger and better things. I would never accept it as a man's proper and rightful lot.

    When somebody self-identifying as Republican, Conservative or Right Wing dishes out small government rhetoric, it's a prelude to an explosion of government "that would make Obama cringe." Every. Single. Time.
    No no no, Obama would be stropping so furiously with delight, he would likely explode like a very low-yield nuke from over-exertion. That delicate boy love this sort of thing.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, come on. Anyone with more than three brain cells to rub together will read that statement in context, and realize that he is saying the deficit is not there because we aren't paying enough tax, but rather the deficit is there because they are spending too damned much.
    That may be what he meant, but it is not quite clearly so. The quote reads:

    I’ve voted against spending more, and I’ve proposed specific ways to cut spending and balance our budget. But I refuse to concede that we have a tax problem — we have a spending problem, and I will continue to fight to fix it.


    As I reexamine the article, it becomes clear that I probably misinterpreted the statement. I own up to my errors. By the same token, Rand Paul should be more careful with his words because the structure of the statement is far less than ideal. His words are poorly chosen. He would have done far better to have said something like:

    The problem of our deficits lies not in an insufficiency of taxation, but an over abundance of spending.
    So yes, I could have taken greater care in how I read, and he could have taken FAR greater care in how he spoke/wrote.


    Let the trolls deliberately and obtusely misunderstand the man. They don't need our help.
    I'm a troll? OK man, whatever you say.
    Last edited by osan; 02-12-2018 at 04:33 PM.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "So I guess we're going to have "heck week" from now on"
    -Master Chief, SEAL V, bitching about PC being foisted on the teams, as related by my little brother, some years back.



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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    So yes, I could have taken greater care in how I read...
    You could stand to make a habit of it.

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    Let the trolls deliberately and obtusely misunderstand the man. They don't need our help.
    I'm a troll? OK man, whatever you say.
    Me: The trolls don't need our help. You: You called me a troll.

    No. Clearly you don't pay attention to me unless I engage in polysyllabic elocution. Therefore, I will endeavor to use as large a quantity of decadent deca-dollar vocabulary as I can manage.

    I created a subset which included your obedient servant and yourself, and I created a second and separate subset of dwellers under structural spans. Now, the dwellers under overpasses were clearly of the second grouping, and not of the first conglomeration I defined. Present company inhabited that first community, and we were held specifically exclusive of those other beings of indeterminate ancestry.

    Please review and see if my logic has not escaped me.
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    I can't see how any country can live without having debt, it is just part of running a country. Life would be a lot worse off with a balanced budget. You go can complain about waste, this and that. Perhaps mismanagement. But a country costs a lot. I doubt charity, and billionaires could pay to run society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I can't see how any country can live without having debt, it is just part of running a country. Life would be a lot worse off with a balanced budget. You go can complain about waste, this and that. Perhaps mismanagement. But a country costs a lot. I doubt charity, and billionaires could pay to run society.
    What does a country costing a lot have to do with debt? The United States has higher debt levels than the Scandavian countries now. You can have high debt and small government and a balanced budget and big government.

    Speaking of welfare spending, why does Britain hate poor people so much?


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    America isn't Norway or the UK.

    America doesn't have a welfare state, may be food stamps, but nothing like in western Europe, but the UK in particular, or the Irish state, they have a similar welfare system to the UK.

    America is in debt for numerous reasons, it isn't all benefiting the billionaires is it? Jackson nearly centuries ago is credited with having a debt free year in American history, but that was then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post

    America doesn't have a welfare state, may be food stamps, but nothing like in western Europe, but the UK in particular, or the Irish state, they have a similar welfare system to the UK.
    My chart of spending from the OECD shows otherwise. The United States spends roughly the same per person as the UK.

    That should encourage you. With enough persistence and dedication, you can live off the US government. It won't be easy. Aim high. There is a government check waiting for you here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I can't see how any country can live without having debt, it is just part of running a country. Life would be a lot worse off with a balanced budget. You go can complain about waste, this and that. Perhaps mismanagement. But a country costs a lot. I doubt charity, and billionaires could pay to run society.
    Once upon a time governments actually saved money in the public treasury to use if their revenues didn't cover their outlays one year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I can't see how any country can live without having debt, it is just part of running a country.
    Sure. Eliminating debt would be something a government does if it's serving the people. Forcing the people to pay big bankers interest is something a government does if it serves the big banks.

    And, of course, governments never fail to serve the big banks. So, yeah, a country perking along without wasting the sweat and labor of its citizens on interest payments does boggle the imagination, doesn't it?
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    And education contributes to the debt of the country does it? Ron Paul infamously said nobody has a right to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    And education contributes to the debt of the country does it? Ron Paul infamously said nobody has a right to one.
    Borrowing contributes to debt. Borrowing. Nothing else. If only you didn't have an education, you'd understand the definition of 'debt' well enough to know that.

    And Ron Paul remembers a time in this country when everyone in this country felt nobody has a right to an education, but anyone could afford an education. It's when somebody hollers that everyone has a right to something that the price goes through the roof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I can't see how any country can live without having debt, it is just part of running a country. Life would be a lot worse off with a balanced budget. You go can complain about waste, this and that. Perhaps mismanagement. But a country costs a lot. I doubt charity, and billionaires could pay to run society.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Someone was in an awfully big hurry to get to a red traffic light. What were they about to do--ram cross traffic to get off the tracks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Someone was in an awfully big hurry to get to a red traffic light. What were they about to do--ram cross traffic to get off the tracks?
    With elections upcoming, the citizen must have been rapt in thought, trying to decide how best to exercise his sacred right to scribble on paper.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Right so state provided education leads to rubbish education and only paying for it, like private education is the way to go..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Right so state provided education leads to rubbish education and only paying for it, like private education is the way to go..
    It is one way to ensure one gets education instead of propaganda. If you're content with a head full of propaganda, then you're content with it. But, believe it or not, there are people who are not content with it, and are not content to get their money taken at gunpoint so it can be used to fill children's heads with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Like what propaganda?
    Like everything you say.
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    Such as, healthcare should be a right, to the employed and unemployed? Welfare should exist to help others who don't have money. Education should be a right, it may be not be free to go to college or university, but loans can help, usually is sadly the way, or the parents.

    Science, to understand our world. History, some basics of human rights.

    Right to own a weapon, even machine guns, nobody needs that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Such as, healthcare should be a right, to the employed and unemployed? Welfare should exist to help others who don't have money. Education should be a right, it may be not be free to go to college or university, but loans can help, usually is sadly the way, or the parents.

    Science, to understand our world. History, some basics of human rights.

    Right to own a weapon, even machine guns, nobody needs that.
    That's propaganda alright.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    No it isn't. It would be if freedom gave everybody a chance, but it doesn't.

    Sadly, none us get what we want in life, even a socialist can see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    No it isn't. It would be if freedom gave everybody a chance, but it doesn't.

    Sadly, none us get what we want in life, even a socialist can see that.
    And the almighty, allwise, benevolent state gives everyone a fair shake, right?

    You are so propagandized you don't even notice that your sentence admits that your position isn't freedom.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Well it does compared to the past. You forget, you remind me of extremist evangelical Muslims or Christians.

    Freedom doesn't work, and only belongs to nuts, society has to be controlled, and choice is available, but that has its limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Well it does compared to the past. You forget, you remind me of extremist evangelical Muslims or Christians.
    And you remind me of Hitler or Stalin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Freedom doesn't work, and only belongs to nuts, society has to be controlled, and choice is available, but that has its limits.
    Freedom is the only thing that almost works, tyranny is a dumpster fire.

    Why don't you tend to the beam in Britain's eye loser? Your glorious government is importing millions of the evangelical muslims you despise, your violence problems are already worse than ours and they are going to get nightmarish.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I can't see how .
    Just leave it there, you end up looking more intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Like what propaganda?
    Oh holy hell, great jumping Jesuits man, you're infested with the stuff. It's in your very veins now, it's so much a part of you you think it's normal.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Such as, healthcare should be a right, to the employed and unemployed? Welfare should exist to help others who don't have money. Education should be a right, it may be not be free to go to college or university, but loans can help, usually is sadly the way, or the parents.

    Science, to understand our world. History, some basics of human rights.

    Right to own a weapon, even machine guns, nobody needs that.
    how did You stumble upon Ron Paul forums?

    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!


    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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