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    Do you support unlimited immigration into US

    Yes or no . If yes , please describe what positives the people here would gain from this .



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    NO!
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    Hell NO!
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    No, even if ALL welfare and handouts were removed.
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    My Husband God rest his soul had been trying to get his green card for years. He died the week before his appointment to finally get it. He worked hard and never received any social services of any kind. He was generous and employed several Americans and always paid them well. He paid his taxes.
    I do not want illegal immigrants coming into this country getting on welfare and food stamps and skating out on their taxes. My son married a woman in Brazil it took him almost 5 years and 1000s of dollars to get his wife into the country. They have a strong 12 year long marriage . His wife just got her citizenship last week. She made 100% on her citizenship test. She worked hard to get it. She has a degree in international law and is thinking about becoming a lawyer in the USA. She will have to go to school more in order to do so. She speaks fluent English and pays for my oldest granddaughter to go to private school and home schools the youngest. She has never taken any social services either. She does not want illegals jumping the boarder collecting social services. I am very proud of my wonderful moral daughter in law who loves this country and her family with all of her heart.

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    Yes, if unlimited means unrestricted (besides basic checks for disease and terrorism). Justification will have to come when I'm at a desktop and off my phone, but feel free to ask questions.
    Last edited by axiomata; 02-08-2018 at 12:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    My Husband God rest his soul had been trying to get his green card for years. He died the week before his appointment to finally get it. He worked hard and never received any social services of any kind. He was generous and employed several Americans and always paid them well. He paid his taxes.
    I do not want illegal immigrants coming into this country getting on welfare and food stamps and skating out on their taxes. My son married a woman in Brazil it took him almost 5 years and 1000s of dollars to get his wife into the country. They have a strong 12 year long marriage . His wife just got her citizenship last week. She made 100% on her citizenship test. She worked hard to get it. She has a degree in international law and is thinking about becoming a lawyer in the USA. She will have to go to school more in order to do so. She speaks fluent English and pays for my oldest granddaughter to go to private school and home schools the youngest. She has never taken any social services either. She does not want illegals jumping the boarder collecting social services. I am very proud of my wonderful moral daughter in law who loves this country and her family with all of her heart.
    What! Not all immigrants are lazy welfare stealing rapists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What! Not all immigrants are lazy welfare stealing rapists?
    I will assume the majority are not and assume the majority are though marxists .



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I will assume the majority are not and assume the majority are though marxists .
    No more than everyone else on here wanting the US government to violate property rights and the free market in order to force a Socialist idea of collectivist land ownership as managed by the State on the people of the country.

    That's right. If you want the government to regulate borders then you are a Marxist.

    You're a Cultural Marxist if you want to use the State's violence to protect your "culture," your "race," or your "people." National Socialism is still Socialism.
    Last edited by PierzStyx; 02-08-2018 at 01:21 PM.
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    I support the free market.

    Not Socialist collectivist land ownership managed through State violence in order to regulate and control the market.

    Not Leftist cultural identity politics such as you see by those who want to support and protect racial identity and promote it through the violent violation of individual liberty, such as you see from the Republican Party and many on here.

    The free market. If the markets are not free, if all capital -including labor- is not free to move across national boundaries without regulation and restriction we are a poorer, weaker, more foolish people who trade our prosperity and liberty for servitude and lies.

    Parasites such as those who wish to use the State -and its violently stolen tax monies and tools of police state oppression- on individuals and people in order to force the parasite's way of living on others and eliminate those who are different, are the enemies of human liberty. Their hatred of free markets, free will, and free men make them the tool of every tyrant who knows how to mutter the magic words that trigger them into submission and the enemy of every person whose goals are liberty, peace, and prosperity.
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    This has been open two days and there were no positives listed as asked for .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    This has been open two days and there were no positives listed as asked for .
    I'll offer just one - liberty.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I'll offer just one - liberty.
    LOL. Here is a better one - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Young-Migrants

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I'll offer just one - liberty.

    NO, NO, NO, Brother.
    LIBERTY IS SLAVERY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Yes or no . If yes , please describe what positives the people here would gain from this .
    To paraphrase, "What Rights are you willing to forfeit to keep immigrants out?"
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    Yes, if unlimited means unrestricted (besides basic checks for disease and terrorism). Justification will have to come when I'm at a desktop and off my phone, but feel free to ask questions.
    And the next day, every $#@!hole leader in the world will make like Fidel and put their dregs on one-way-trips to the US. Good times, recipe for success.



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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    To paraphrase, "What Rights are you willing to forfeit to keep immigrants out?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    And the next day, every $#@!hole leader in the world will make like Fidel and put their dregs on one-way-trips to the US. Good times, recipe for success.
    Had that not occurred, we never would have gotten the movie Scarface. We have been culturally enriched!

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I'll offer just one - liberty.
    Yeah, so two replies but nobody's addressed the issue. Would you trade liberty for security?

    Or more pointedly, are you willing to violate my liberty for your security?
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Yeah, so two replies but nobody's addressed the issue. Would you trade liberty for security?

    Or more pointedly, are you willing to violate my liberty for your security?
    Without some security there is no liberty just as there is no security without liberty, controlling immigration is part of the minimum security required for liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Without some security there is no liberty just as there is no security without liberty, controlling immigration is part of the minimum security required for liberty.
    Moderation is a concept unknown to liberals. They drive extreme points of view and relish watching the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Without some security there is no liberty just as there is no security without liberty, controlling immigration is part of the minimum security required for liberty.
    I take "unlimited immigration" to mean no quotas or restrictions based on presumption of guilt.

    You're saying that dictating who I can house on my property or hire for my business is a fair trade for your personal security. What gives you that right?

    My liberty > your security.

    And as an aside, I do not desire to pay some government agency to create a no-risk safe space for you.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I take "unlimited immigration" to mean no quotas or restrictions based on presumption of guilt.

    You're saying that dictating who I can house on my property or hire for my business is a fair trade for your personal security. What gives you that right?

    My liberty > your security.

    And as an aside, I do not desire to pay some government agency to create a no-risk safe space for you.
    It is not "my" "security", it is OUR security and LIBERTY, letting in too many foreigners with a different political culture will destroy my liberty and yours and YOU have no right to do it any more than they have a right to come here.

    There are many reasons that an absolute monarchy is a bad idea but if we had one then the king could let in as many foreigners as his police and troops could control and force them to leave my liberty alone but even then there is the limit of how many he could keep under control.
    We however live in a Republic and immigrants and their children will get to vote to destroy our liberty.

    Furthermore Americans are a group that collectively owns our national territory and we get to manage how many foreigners we allow in to our labor pool for the benefit of the entire group, it is destructive to let any single component of the economy suffer a surge, this applies to laborers just as much as it applies to money.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    foreigners with a different political culture
    Yeah, that's presumption of guilt as an excuse to tell me who I can or cannot associate with. Carried out through your jackboot proxies of course so your hands are clean. Grow some already.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018



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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Yeah, that's presumption of guilt as an excuse to tell me who I can or cannot associate with. Carried out through your jackboot proxies of course so your hands are clean. Grow some already.
    NO, it is a FACT, try dealing with them once in a while.

    It isn't "presumption of guilt" since I am not punishing anyone, I am advocating that we exercise caution when extending the PRIVILEGE of membership or guest status in our club to outsiders most of whom are hostile to our values.

    We can't read their minds so we have to let in few enough of them that if they match the statistical composition of their home countries (highly likely) we can still retain control of of liberty and assimilate them and their descendants into our liberty culture.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Without some security there is no liberty just as there is no security without liberty, controlling immigration is part of the minimum security required for liberty.
    When considering the position of open borders, one must remember that the anarchist, foremost wants the us/any govt destroyed and any negative effects from attaining that goal are less important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is not "my" "security", it is OUR security and LIBERTY, letting in too many foreigners with a different political culture will destroy my liberty and yours and YOU have no right to do it any more than they have a right to come here.
    What's this "we"? Did I sign something that says I'm on your side here?

    Here's something to bake your noodle: if YOUR political culture is completely impotent to withstand some competing ideas moving in from other countries, then the question isn't so much why would I want to be associated with your political culture - the question becomes, if your culture is so $#@!ing weak, why would I not work actively to destroy it?
    There are no crimes against people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    When considering the position of open borders, one must remember that the anarchist, foremost wants the us/any govt destroyed and any negative effects from attaining that goal are less important.
    Even the formation of tyrannical governments from the anarchic chaos it seems, at least they will have had their sacred anarchy for a decade or two, the gods of chaos will reward them for their purity.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I support the free market.
    This.

    Moreover, the question was "Do I support unlimited immigration to the US".
    The answer is no. In order to "support" it I would need to be actively working toward unlimited immigration. I would need to be encouraging people to move here.
    So the question - AS ALWAYS - sets up a false choice here.
    Either you're in favor of a wall, border checks 100 miles inside the actual border, etc etc,
    or you're actively asking everyone in the world to move here.

    I'm not in favor of everyone moving here - only the people who want to.
    And not like I haven't done this a hundred times here already, but now is when I try to move the conversation toward the fact that everyone who supports any immigration restrictions at all is BY DEFINITION a living document constitutionalist.
    You are no better than people who are supportive of Kelo or Gonzales V Raich. You change the clear meaning of words to be what you want them to mean, as opposed to what they actually say.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    What's this "we"? Did I sign something that says I'm on your side here?
    We don't get to control where we are born and our predecessors had to form groups to control territory and administer justice, get over it and be grateful you weren't born in red China.

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Here's something to bake your noodle: if YOUR political culture is completely impotent to withstand some competing ideas moving in from other countries, then the question isn't so much why would I want to be associated with your political culture - the question becomes, if your culture is so $#@!ing weak, why would I not work actively to destroy it?
    All that is most beautiful is fragile, freedom and liberty are not exceptions, they require vigilant protection from those who would destroy them, it seems that the destroyers include not only statist foreigners but you as well.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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