Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Yea

[CCTelander]

From last October. I'm Quite certain things haven't improved since.

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Years

By Rachel Blevins

While the mainstream media focuses on anything but the current state of U.S. intervention in the Middle East, the Trump Administration is breaking records by accumulating a horrific number of civilian deaths.

Former President Obama earned the nickname of “Drone King” when he dramatically escalated the use of drone strikes, while also downplaying the number of innocent civilians who became “collateral damage.” In the two years that his administration devoted to publicly spending millions of taxpayer dollars to fight the Islamic State group, the estimated civilian death toll ranged from 2,300 to 3,400, according to Airwars, an organization tracking deaths in the war against ISIS.

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Years
10/18/2017

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By Rachel Blevins

While the mainstream media focuses on anything but the current state of U.S. intervention in the Middle East, the Trump Administration is breaking records by accumulating a horrific number of civilian deaths.

Former President Obama earned the nickname of “Drone King” when he dramatically escalated the use of drone strikes, while also downplaying the number of innocent civilians who became “collateral damage.” In the two years that his administration devoted to publicly spending millions of taxpayer dollars to fight the Islamic State group, the estimated civilian death toll ranged from 2,300 to 3,400, according to Airwars, an organization tracking deaths in the war against ISIS.
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Our minimum estimate of civilians likely killed by Coalition since 2014 is now 5,117 - with 55% of deaths occuring under Trump's leadership pic.twitter.com/H8S5Ihwuzb


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During @BarackObama's 29 months at helm of ISIS war we tracked 855 alleged civilian casualty events which likely killed 2298-3398 civilians pic.twitter.com/RUVvcy5zX9

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President Trump has been in office for just 9 months, and he has already surpassed Obama’s murderous record with estimated numbers as high as 4,500 civilian deaths.

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Read the rest here:

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/...did-in-8-years

[Influenza]

meanwhile local trumptards are focused exclusively on sjw liberal lunatics. the IPB managed to be way worse than obama in the way that matters most

[TheCount]

In b4 dannno says it's all soros propaganda.

[dannno]

In b4 dannno says it's all soros propaganda.

Airwars IS Soros propaganda, is there even any question about that??

[nikcers]

If liberty is a third rail then we need to shut down the power.

[angelatc]

Airwars IS Soros propaganda, is there even any question about that??

Financing doesn't negate their figures.

[dannno]

Financing doesn't negate their figures.

How do you know?

I'm not saying I know, nobody here knows, people just pretend to know. There is no way for any one person to possibly know what the actual figures are.

I'm not saying don't cite the figures, I'm not saying don't put pressure on Trump to end the violence, I'm just saying don't go around pretending these numbers are 100% reliable.

If they aren't accurate it could be anything from padded slightly to extremely exaggerated.

[nikcers]

Financing doesn't negate their figures.

Fake news, military spending is all a hoax in order to fabricate an allusion of an economy that doesn't exist by propping up American corporations and buying politicians around the world. Everything else is just movie tricks and special effects. /s

[Origanalist]

Airwars IS Soros propaganda, is there even any question about that??

So you're saying this is not accurate and RP liberty report and the Free Thought Project are just repeating Soros propaganda?

[asurfaholic]

Anyone who kills from afar is no friend of freedom.

Trump is the worst thing that could have happened to America. Now people cheer and wave flags and read his tweets and think that everything he does is nothing short of glorious.

[Influenza]

How do you know?

I'm not saying I know, nobody here knows, people just pretend to know. There is no way for any one person to possibly know what the actual figures are.

I'm not saying don't cite the figures, I'm not saying don't put pressure on Trump to end the violence, I'm just saying don't go around pretending these numbers are 100% reliable.

What incentive is there to fake those numbers anyways? Most people in this country dont give a $#@! if 10 people are killed or 10,000.

[asurfaholic]

How do you know?

I'm not saying I know, nobody here knows, people just pretend to know. There is no way for any one person to possibly know what the actual figures are.

I'm not saying don't cite the figures, I'm not saying don't put pressure on Trump to end the violence, I'm just saying don't go around pretending these numbers are 100% reliable.

If they aren't accurate it could be anything from padded slightly to extremely exaggerated.

Just 1 person killed could get you or me life in prison for premeditated murder.

The numbers “could be padded” so it’s ok? Yea let’s just blow it off.

The first person killed in the name of “freedom” should be reason enough to have trump hanged.

Do you believe it’s ok to kill others who have done nothing to you?

[dannno]

This article claims that one study showed 95% of Airwars casualties were non-credible:

In response, the commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve Stephen Townsendtook to Foreign Policyto criticise advocacy groups and the media for a lack of intellectual rigour in assessing their sources before making claims of civilian casualties. He noted that, of the 270 allegations made by Airwars that had been assessed, 258 (more than 95%) had been found to be non-credible.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/art...es_112395.html


Here is a prequel to that article:

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...ties-and-media

[Origanalist]

How do you know?

I'm not saying I know, nobody here knows, people just pretend to know. There is no way for any one person to possibly know what the actual figures are.

I'm not saying don't cite the figures, I'm not saying don't put pressure on Trump to end the violence, I'm just saying don't go around pretending these numbers are 100% reliable.

If they aren't accurate it could be anything from padded slightly to extremely exaggerated.

[dannno]

Just 1 person killed could get you or me life in prison for premeditated murder.

The numbers “could be padded” so it’s ok? Yea let’s just blow it off.

The first person killed in the name of “freedom” should be reason enough to have trump hanged.

Do you believe it’s ok to kill others who have done nothing to you?

What the $#@! are you talking about??

No, I don't believe any of our foreign policy is "ok"..

But am I going to ruin our chances at letting Rand have influence over the President and his policies because of some fake made up data, just so we can go back to some neo-con puppet like Hillary and cause even more damage and destruction and death and socialism?? No, that's $#@!ing stupid...

[nikcers]

What incentive is there to fake those numbers anyways? Most people in this country dont give a $#@! if 10 people are killed or 10,000.

The incentive to fake the numbers derives from their method of figuring out the number. The way they determine how many die is by calculating it by the number of terrorists that are created as a result (blowback). Why do you think the "fake news" is saying that taliban has more control then ever?

[dannno]

It has been claimed that 95% of Airwars claims of civilian casualties are non-credible, so claims like what are being made in the OP don't necessarily have much merit. Obama was a Soros puppet, you think he would have inflated his numbers?

[Origanalist]

This article claims that one study showed 95% of Airwars casualties were non-credible:



https://www.realcleardefense.com/art...es_112395.html


Here is a prequel to that article:

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...ties-and-media

Nice, citing neo con think tanks..

[dannno]

Nice, citing neo con think tanks..

Uhhhh, you're citing George Soros...

What I'm saying is I don't know, and I don't pretend to know.

[Origanalist]

Uhhhh, you're citing George Soros...

What I'm saying is I don't know, and I don't pretend to know.

Uh, I'm citing RP institute and The Free Thought Project, you're the one who injected Soros.

[dannno]

Uh, I'm citing RP institute and The Free Thought Project, you're the one who injected Soros.

No, you're citing data that came funded from George Soros, so did they, and they should probably reconsider whether this data is accurate as well.

It doesn't change the message much from a principled non-interventionist standpoint - bring the troops home - pretty simple - but when you say things like Trump killed more civilians in 9 months than Obama did in 8 years and it turns out 95% of the figures may be falsified, then that's not very good if we end up with somebody even worse as President in 2020.... who WON'T listen to Rand at all, and will end up getting us into more quagmires.

[nikcers]

Uhhhh, you're citing George Soros...

What I'm saying is I don't know, and I don't pretend to know.

Really Plato??

I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either.

[Origanalist]

No, you're citing data that came funded from George Soros, so did they, and they should probably reconsider whether this data is accurate as well.

This is hardly a new revelation, it been known for a while now Trump's been on a pace to leave Obama in the dust as related to civilian deaths. Your protestations just make you seem foolish.

[dannno]

This is hardly a new revelation, it been known for a while now Trump's been on a pace to leave Obama in the dust as related to civilian deaths. Your protestations just make you seem foolish.

WTF are you talking about?? If 95% of the civilian casualties are in fact non-credible, then he was NEVER on pace to leave Obama in the dust..

[dannno]

Really Plato??

Yes, Socrates...

[CCTelander]

Uh, I'm citing RP institute and The Free Thought Project, you're the one who injected Soros.

Obviously purveyors of Soros propaganda. Clearly Ron Paul is no longer to be trusted. Screw that decades long g record of accuracy and trustworthyness.

This is pathetic. No wonder so many good posters have disappeared from this place never to be heard from again. Place has become a sick parody of what it once was.

[dannno]

Obviously purveyors of Soros propaganda. Clearly Ron Paul is no longer to be trusted. Screw that decades long g record of accuracy and trustworthyness.

This is pathetic. No wonder so many good posters have disappeared from this place never to be heard from again. Place has become a sick parody of what it once was.

Ron Paul is right that we should bring the troops home, that's the important thing to trust him on. It is unfortunate that he may or may not be caught up in presenting falsified data regarding civilian casualties from George Soros.

[angelatc]

Dannno, maybe this will cheer you up: Via Justin Rainmondo:

One year into the Trump administration and we have, on the foreign policy front, one major development: unlike practically every US President in modern times – excepting Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, and (I think) Ford — Trump hasn’t started any major new wars. That might seem like some pretty thin gruel to feast on, and yet it does represent a not insignificant change in the pattern of presidential behavior. He campaigned as an “isolationist” whose “first instinct” would not be to call out the troops, and it’s fair to say he’s stuck to the spirit if not the strict letter of his “America First” doctrine.

[angelatc]

Ron Paul is right that we should bring the troops home, that's the important thing to trust him on. It is unfortunate that he may or may not be caught up in presenting falsified data regarding civilian casualties from George Soros.

FFS. Either present some data that indicates the data is flawed or STFU about it being false. For pete's sake, he RAN on a platform of bombing the literal life out of ISIS.

[dannno]

FFS. Either present some data that indicates the data is flawed or STFU about it being false. For pete's sake, he RAN on a platform of bombing the literal life out of ISIS.

I already did, one study indicated that 95% of the civilian casualties were non-verifiable.