Illegals commit crimes at double the rate of native-born: Study

[Swordsmyth]

The crime rate among illegal immigrants in Arizona is twice that of other residents, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday, citing a new report based on conviction data.
The report, from the Crime Prevention Research Center, used a previously untapped set of data from Arizona that detailed criminal convictions and found that illegal immigrants between 15 and 35 are less than 3 percent of the state’s population, but nearly 8 percent of its prison population.
And the crimes they were convicted of were, on the whole, more serious, said John R. Lott Jr., the report’s author and president of the research center.
His findings also challenge the general narrative that immigrants commit fewer crimes. Those past studies usually don’t look at legal versus illegal populations, Mr. Lott said.
Mr. Lott said the Arizona data is able to peek behind that curtain, and the differences between the populations were stark.
“There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” Mr. Lott said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population. The reverse is true for undocumented immigrants — they are committing crimes, and more serious crimes.”
Among nearly 4,000 first- and second-degree murder convictions, undocumented immigrants accounted for nearly 13 percent — significantly higher than their percentage of the population. Legal immigrants, by contrast, were less than 1 percent of convicts. Native-born made up the rest.
Undocumented immigrants also accounted for five times the rate of convictions for money laundering and kidnapping, and were three times more likely to be convicted of drive-by shootings.
The data covered from 1985 to 2017. For his data purposes, Mr. Lott defined undocumented immigrants as those who weren’t U.S. citizens or green card holders, signaling permanent residency.

He said the crime rates of the undocumented who were ages 18 to 35 was particularly important, given the ongoing debate over legalizing illegal immigrant “Dreamers.” He said the Arizona data showed that population had crime rates 250 percent higher than their share of the population would have predicted.

“They’re more likely to be convicted of sexual assault, robbery, and driving under the influence. They’re more than twice as likely to be convicted of murder,”

More at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tive-born-stu/

[Danke]

[Swordsmyth]

[oyarde]

Is this because they are all from $#@!holes ?

[Swordsmyth]

Is this because they are all from $#@!holes ?

And because they are the members of their groups that have little regard for laws.

[nikcers]

And because they are the members of their groups that have little regard for laws.

So we will print money we don't have to build a wall that won't work

[oyarde]

And because they are the members of their groups that have little regard for laws.

I would not look for any improvement . I have lived in many $#@!hole countries and Law there is not the same . Basically you can do whatever you like if you have enough connections or cash and whatever you like if you are smart enough because enforcement is a bit behind . I routinely got by with things easily that would be more difficult to get by with here . Less technology makes it easier .As long as you understand they can always put a hit on you anytime they like with no repercussions . Always best to grease the right palm , be friendly and cheerful even to the unpleasant and give them no reason to really dislike you .

[Swordsmyth]

I would not look for any improvement . I have lived in many $#@!hole countries and Law there is not the same . Basically you can do whatever you like if you have enough connections or cash and whatever you like if you are smart enough because enforcement is a bit behind . I routinely got by with things easily that would be more difficult to get by with here . Less technology makes it easier .As long as you understand they can always put a hit on you anytime they like with no repercussions . Always best to grease the right palm , be friendly and cheerful even to the unpleasant and give them no reason to really dislike you .

I do not look for any improvement, in general people don't change, cultural evolution usually takes centuries.

I never intend to live anywhere but the US and we need to keep almost everyone else out of here.

[dannno]

I feel a Stefan Molyneux video coming on...

[Swordsmyth]

I feel a Stefan Molyneux video coming on...

Self denial is good for your soul.

[TheCount]

I do not look for any improvement, in general people don't change, cultural evolution usually takes centuries.

If the problem is culture, then why are legal immigrants who came from the same countries and who are living in the same state committing fewer crimes than citizens?

From the study you so helpfully provided:

In comparison, documented immigrants (Legal Permanent Residents) were extremely law-abiding. They made up only 1.5% of the prison population in 2014, while a rough estimate indicates that their share of the state’s population is about 3.9%.6 This suggests that lumping together documented and undocumented immigrants provides avery misleading image of both groups.

Good info; thanks.

[Swordsmyth]

If the problem is culture, then why are legal immigrants who came from the same countries and who are living in the same state committing fewer crimes than citizens?

Because legal immigrants don't want to to lose their legal status and are not the members of their culture with little or no regard for laws, otherwise they would have come here illegally and avoided the red tape and long lines.

From the study you so helpfully provided:

In comparison, documented immigrants (Legal Permanent Residents) were extremelylaw-abiding. They made up only 1.5% of the prison population in 2014, while a roughestimate indicates that their share of the state’s population is about 3.9%.6 Thissuggests that lumping together documented and undocumented immigrants provides avery misleading image of both groups.

Good info; thanks.

They are still far more socialist than the average American, and that is a MUCH bigger threat in the long run.

[TheCount]

Because legal immigrants don't want to to lose their legal status and are not the members of their culture with little or no regard for laws, otherwise they would have come here illegally and avoided the red tape and long lines.

Or is it because, by virtue of their legal status, they are able to work more easily? Did you look at the list of crimes? Here's the top crimes that illegals commit at a higher rate than citizens:

Smuggling
Compounding crime
Unlawful copying or sale ofsounds or images fromrecording devices
Tampering w/ a public record
Marijuana Violation
Criminal Impersonation
Money Laundering


3 of them are crimes they committed while trying to work, the rest are crimes they committed while trying to make money.


Anyway, that's not important, this is:

are not the members of their culture with little or no regard for laws

How is that possible in a supposed culture of law breaking and violence?

Are you implying that there are good immigrants hidden among the bad ones? Why, if only we had a system which could select for these good immigrants, we could let them in! Right?

There was a thread about this; here, you can go vote and say that there are good ones among all the evil nasty bad immigrants:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...or-immigration

They are still far more socialist than the average American, and that is a MUCH bigger threat in the long run.

Ah, the old saw, there you are.

[Swordsmyth]

Or is it because, by virtue of their legal status, they are able to work more easily? Did you look at the list of crimes? Here's the top crimes that illegals commit at a higher rate than citizens:

Smuggling
Compounding crime
Unlawful copying or sale ofsounds or images fromrecording devices
Tampering w/ a public record
Marijuana Violation
Criminal Impersonation
Money Laundering


3 of them are crimes they committed while trying to work, the rest are crimes they committed while trying to make money.

If undocumented immigrants committed crime nationally as they do in Arizona, in 2016 they would have been responsible for over 1,000 more murders, 5,200 rapes, 8,900 robberies, 25,300 aggravated assaults, and 26,900 burglaries.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3099992


Among nearly 4,000 first- and second-degree murder convictions, undocumented immigrants accounted for nearly 13 percent — significantly higher than their percentage of the population.

Undocumented immigrants also accounted for five times the rate of convictions for money laundering and kidnapping, and were three times more likely to be convicted of drive-by shootings.

“They’re more likely to be convicted of sexual assault, robbery, and driving under the influence. They’re more than twice as likely to be convicted of murder,”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tive-born-stu/

Anyway, that's not important, this is:



How is that possible in a supposed culture of law breaking and violence?

Are you implying that there are good immigrants hidden among the bad ones? Why, if only we had a system which could select for these good immigrants, we could let them in! Right?

All cultures contain a range of individuals, I'm glad to hear that you agree that if we do let in some immigrants it should be on a merit basis.

Ah, the old saw, there you are.

You can't debate it so you just dismiss it.

[TheCount]

If undocumented immigrants committed crime nationally as they do in Arizona, in 2016 they would have been responsible for over 1,000 more murders, 5,200 rapes, 8,900 robberies, 25,300 aggravated assaults, and 26,900 burglaries.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3099992


Among nearly 4,000 first- and second-degree murder convictions, undocumented immigrants accounted for nearly 13 percent — significantly higher than their percentage of the population.

Undocumented immigrants also accounted for five times the rate of convictions for money laundering and kidnapping, and were three times more likely to be convicted of drive-by shootings.

“They’re more likely to be convicted of sexual assault, robbery, and driving under the influence. They’re more than twice as likely to be convicted of murder,”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tive-born-stu/

No response, huh? Just copy and paste some random $#@! in?

All cultures contain a range of individuals, I'm glad to hear that you agree that if we do let in some immigrants it should be on a merit basis.

All legal immigration is on a merit basis. Even chain migrants are subject to criminal background checks.

You can't debate it so you just dismiss it.

If desiring big government makes people socialist (as per the one-and-only Pew poll), then the people who repeat this in every thread are themselves socialists by their own definition if they desire to expand the powers and size of government in order to deal with the supposed immigrant threat.

[Swordsmyth]

No response, huh? Just copy and paste some random $#@! in?

If you don't see the point I'm not going to explain it to you, everyone else will understand and laugh at you.

If desiring big government makes people socialist (as per the one-and-only Pew poll), then the people who repeat this in every thread are themselves socialists by their own definition if they desire to expand the powers and size of government in order to deal with the supposed immigrant threat.

It doesn't take "big" government to control the borders and enforce immigration law.

[DamianTV]

Perhaps its the attitude? Such as, "I already broke the law by coming to your country illegally, so $#@! it, why stop there?"

[timosman]

[Ender]

If you don't see the point I'm not going to explain it to you, everyone else will understand and laugh at you.




It doesn't take "big" government to control the borders and enforce immigration law.

That's a bunch of horse $#@!- it absolutely takes big government to do this. The whole reason the "illegal" immigrant stuff is being pushed is to make Americans even more slaves than they are now.

And probably most of the broken laws are directly connected to the WoD.

[loveshiscountry]

Or is it because, by virtue of their legal status, they are able to work more easily? Did you look at the list of crimes? Here's the top crimes that illegals commit at a higher rate than citizens:

Smuggling
Compounding crime
Unlawful copying or sale ofsounds or images fromrecording devices
Tampering w/ a public record
Marijuana Violation
Criminal Impersonation
Money Laundering

Illegals doing the jobs that Americans won't do.

[enhanced_deficit]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how 'extremely credible' are this study's sources?

Is this because they are all from $#@!holes ?

To be fair, messaging on this varies from time to time.

Trump's Friends At Breitbart Brand Him 'Amnesty Don' Over DACA Comments
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-britbart-daca-790308

[Swordsmyth]

That's a bunch of horse $#@!- it absolutely takes big government to do this. The whole reason the "illegal" immigrant stuff is being pushed is to make Americans even more slaves than they are now.

And probably most of the broken laws are directly connected to the WoD.

You anarchists think county sheriffs are "big" government so nobody cares what you think.

Government tries to use anything to grow but that doesn't mean that "big" government is required to do the thing it is using as an excuse today

[Swordsmyth]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how 'extremely credible' are this study's sources?

10

[enhanced_deficit]

10

Ok.
Some other extremely credible sources seem to present a different view of non-native born millions.

Trump is now tweeting that DREAMers are wonderful
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ca-deal-tweets

[Swordsmyth]

Ok.
Some other extremely credible sources seem to present a different view of non-native born millions.

Trump is now tweeting that DREAMers are wonderful
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ca-deal-tweets

Since when do you find DJTvsg to be an "extremely credible" source?

I have never thought of him that way.

[enhanced_deficit]

Ok NVM then, I stand corrected then. Had wrongly assumed you were in his camp on this issue.

[Swordsmyth]

Ok NVM then, I stand corrected then. Had wrongly assumed you were in his camp on this issue.

I am not a DJTvsg loyalist, he does too many things wrong and he says too many different things, even if he really is on the right side of a given issue nobody but him can be sure until he does something about it, and even then you can't be sure he will continue to do the right things in the future.

[DamianTV]

Who typically benefits from illegals coming in and committing more crimes? Big Govt, thats who. People will clamor and conflict over who is responsible for "fixing" the problems caused by illegal immigration, and many will tend to call for even bigger govt. Meanwhile, immigrants that are willing to do jobs that "white people wont do" drive down the price of labor, which benefits big companies and those greedy enough to exploit its employees, which is why "white people wont do those low paying jobs". So both companies and govt get what they want and "whitey" loses their futures to the promises and back room deals made by those in power.

Follow the money. Someone is making out like a bandit here, and any solutions they offer is nothing more than Lip Service.

[Origanalist]

If you don't see the point I'm not going to explain it to you, everyone else will understand and laugh at you.




It doesn't take "big" government to control the borders and enforce immigration law.

Maybe not, I remember immigration law being enforced in the 70s and 80s, before government was as big and intrusive as it is now. But you can bet the farm they won't miss the opportunity to expand it now.

[Origanalist]

You anarchists think county sheriffs are "big" government so nobody cares what you think.

Government tries to use anything to grow but that doesn't mean that "big" government is required to do the thing it is using as an excuse today

What a asinine statement.