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Thread: Most American's say we are full and want massive cuts to legal immigration

  1. #31
    I would be in favor of all kinds of immigration if we had no nanny state. Including government schools.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I think we need to take about 12 months of no new admissions. That should give us time to figure out who is already here and get them deported or assimilated. Some people come here on student visas and never go to class. That's a form of illegal immigration, too, and I think it's fraud.
    120 months at a minimum.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Ender finally gets it:

    Ender will never "get it", he refuses to.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Maybe if we took charge at the border itself, there would be no justification for the authoritarians to endorse "constitution free zones" 100 miles from the border.

    I would love if this wasn't an issue, but it is.

    We cannot allow the entire world to traipse in whenever they feel like it, especially when most of the world is hostile to the "values" that all of us here hold dear: limited government, individual freedom, maximum property rights.

    I know that sounds like a logical conundrum, it sounds that way because it is.

    After how I have seen what the Bolshevik left, progressives and immigrants marching in the streets over this last year or so have had to say about me, my heart is now pretty hard.

    $#@! 'em.

    If you're here illegally, GTFO.

    Close the borders, so we don't have to have roving cop bands demanding papers inside the country.

    We're broke, utterly divided, full, and on the verge of literal "red" revolution.

    We have our own, possible fatal, problems to deal with.

    The rest of the world's "wretched refuse" can piss off back to wherever they came from and fix their own damn problems.
    The powers, funding, and manpower necessary to shut the border will become assets turned inward on the native population in time.
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    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    The powers, funding, and manpower necessary to shut the border will become assets turned inward on the native population in time.
    The immigrants allowed to flood in unchecked will become assets turned inward on the native population in time.

    Everything tends towards chaos, the trick is to delay it as long as possible.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I have yet to see anyone make a good case against this . I have nothing against immigrants but personally I gain nothing by them being here. Nothing .Elected officials seem disconnected from spending cuts .
    David Stockman had an interesting 4 part post on why we need immigrants because of aging boomers and the lack of babies, we need workers. Lots of workers because our entire system was built on an ever expanding pool of labor.

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/__trashed-4/
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    David Stockman had an interesting 4 part post on why we need immigrants because of aging boomers and the lack of babies, we need workers. Lots of workers because our entire system was built on an ever expanding pool of labor.

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/__trashed-4/

    Hmmm....hmmmhmmmm.....




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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ender will never "get it", he refuses to.
    Always thought you & timosman were the same sock puppet.
    There is no spoon.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Government "employment" is an entitlement....

    Of the most costly sort.
    Agreed and 99.9% is not needed.
    There is no spoon.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    The powers, funding, and manpower necessary to shut the border will become assets turned inward on the native population in time.
    Exactly.
    There is no spoon.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Always thought you & timosman were the same sock puppet.
    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Always thought you & timosman were the same sock puppet.
    Thank you for ignoring our arguments. It seems the light did not go off for some reason.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Exactly.
    What exactly do you envision that would be worth fretting over given the current status quo?

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    The powers, funding, and manpower necessary to shut the border will become assets turned inward on the native population in time.
    They already are.

    Allowing millions of people who consider that to be just another ordinary part of life, will not help solve the problem.

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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There's a very easy fix to all of this:

    NO ENTITLEMENTS.
    That would be a very good start and I'm all for it.

    How can you convince a people of that, when we are on the verge of authorizing food stamps for dogs?
    Yes, the American people are too socialistic to vote for welfare cuts.

    But they'll vote to restrict immigration.

    ...which is great, because we don't want socialist immigrants here.

    ...because they wouldn't want to cut welfare.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yes, the American people are too socialistic to vote for welfare cuts.

    But they'll vote to restrict immigration.

    ...which is great, because we don't want socialist immigrants here.

    ...because they wouldn't want to cut welfare.
    Zippy makes my point:



    The more you let in, the more they vote for even more to come.

    And you have a point about monarchy and democracy, I'll grant you that.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The more you let in, the more they vote for even more to come.
    If enough come, they might even start demanding welfare for their dogs!

    And you have a point about monarchy and democracy, I'll grant you that.
    Starting to sound pretty good, huh?



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Fake Poll
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If enough come, they might even start demanding welfare for their dogs!
    If enough come we won't have a chance to stop the people demanding welfare for their dogs.



    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Starting to sound pretty good, huh?
    Every form of government has advantages but monarchy has serious disadvantages (particularly the form you advocate), we could centralize power in a republic and gain most of the advantages of monarchy without most of it's drawbacks.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Every form of government has advantages but monarchy has serious disadvantages (particularly the form you advocate), we could centralize power in a republic and gain most of the advantages of monarchy without most of it's drawbacks.
    Let's continue this in another thread so as not to derail.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Starting to sound pretty good, huh?
    A benevolent and freedom minded monarch would be better than demo-crazy, which I have never been a fan of.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A benevolent and freedom minded monarch would be better than demo-crazy, which I have never been a fan of.
    A monarch would pay attention to the bottom line, something democracies are clearly incapable of.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    What exactly do you envision that would be worth fretting over given the current status quo?
    The National ID will soon be a law for all Americans and the US will finally achieve the goal of prison for it's "citizens".
    There is no spoon.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A benevolent and freedom minded monarch would be better than demo-crazy, which I have never been a fan of.
    The problem is what happens when the benevolent and freedom minded monarch dies. A problem if the monarch sons or daughters grew up brainwashed by the libtard media and entertainment complex.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Fake Poll
    I don't think so.

    Look at the spike in "Increased".

    It coincides exactly with the passage of NAFTA, which killed the Mexican economy and the flood of immigrants that came in it's wake.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    The problem is what happens when the benevolent and freedom minded monarch dies. A problem if the monarch sons or daughters grew up brainwashed by the libtard media and entertainment complex.
    Oh I know.

    I'm not seriously considering it, just agreeing that demo-crazy is a dead end.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Oh I know.

    I'm not seriously considering it, just agreeing that demo-crazy is a dead end.
    If things got bad enough I would if it was the only way out and if it was for a transitional period.

    There may come a day we have to pick sides and if the only firm hand that is able deal with people that wish to govern like Mao in the great purge, I would take the dictator or monarch that can put these people down and stop me from being politically, religiously or ethnically cleansed.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The National ID will soon be a law for all Americans and the US will finally achieve the goal of prison for it's "citizens".
    Congress Quietly Pushing Bill to Require National Biometric ID for 'ALL Americans'
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nat...60-biometrics/
    as Ron Paul points out, “this bill would give DACA recipients a 3-year renewable legal status while forcing a biometric National ID card on virtually everyone else.”
    We need to step up our game in opposing it.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A benevolent and freedom minded monarch would be better than demo-crazy, which I have never been a fan of.
    IF you got lucky with the birth lottery.

    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    A monarch would pay attention to the bottom line, something democracies are clearly incapable of.
    IF you got lucky with the birth lottery.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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