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    Most American's say we are full and want massive cuts to legal immigration

    Shock poll: Americans want massive cuts to legal immigration
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...l-immigration/
    Cutting chain migration even more popular than legalizing Dreamers
    ...
    The poll found that most Americans want annual legal immigration capped at 500,000 a year or less — far lower than the current annual rate of 1.3 million.
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    A stunning 35 percent said the level should be fewer than 250,000 a year..
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    More than 60 percent of voters said current border security is inadequate, and 54 percent said they support “building a combination of physical and electronic barriers across the U.S.-Mexico border.”



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    Shut it all down.

    Country's full, and broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Shut it all down.

    Country's full, and broke.
    No doubt that is the sentiment of many. Most people are afraid to be honest to a pollster, especially in this politically charged environment. The numbers for reduce or stop immigration are probably even higher. Just like Trump's poll numbers were way off before the 2016 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    No doubt that is the sentiment of many. Most people are afraid to be honest to a pollster, especially in this politically charged environment. The numbers for reduce or stop immigration are probably even higher. Just like Trump's poll numbers were way off before the 2016 election.
    Judging by Damore vs. Google - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-conservatives - most people are terrified to speak openly, which allowed the diversity agenda to be shoved down everybody's throats with no resistance. Stalin would be proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Judging by Damore vs. Google - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-conservatives - most people are terrified to speak openly, which allowed the diversity agenda to be shoved down everybody's throats with no resistance. Stalin would be proud.
    That is true, but most people never fully accept an ideology that is forced upon them. Any ideology that has to use threat or force for people to accept it rather than with reason and logic is a failed ideology to begin with.
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    I believe that the whole immigration carpe is to keep Americans scared & in compliance as more and more freedoms are lost.

    From John Whitehead:

    A year ago, passengers arriving in New York’s JFK Airport on a domestic flight from San Francisco were ordered to show their “documents” to border patrol agents in order to get off the plane.

    With the government empowered to carry out transportation checks to question people about their immigration status within a 100-mile border zone that wraps around the country, you’re going to see a rise in these “show your papers” incidents.

    That’s a problem, and I’ll tell you why.

    We are not supposed to be living in a “show me your papers” society.

    Despite this, the U.S. government has recently introduced measures allowing police and other law enforcement officials to stop individuals (citizens and noncitizens alike), demand they identify themselves, and subject them to patdowns, warrantless searches, and interrogations.

    These actions fly in the face of longstanding constitutional safeguards forbidding such police state tactics.

    Set aside the debate over illegal immigration for a moment and think long and hard about what it means when government agents start demanding that people show their papers on penalty of arrest.

    The problem with allowing government agents to demand identification from anyone they suspect might be an illegal immigrant—the current scheme being employed by the Trump administration to ferret out and cleanse the country of illegal immigrants—is that it lays the groundwork for a society in which you are required to identify yourself to any government worker who demands it.

    Such tactics quickly lead one down a slippery slope that ends with government agents empowered to subject anyone—citizen and noncitizen alike—to increasingly intrusive demands that they prove not only that they are legally in the country, but also that they are in compliance with every statute and regulation on the books.

    This flies in the face of the provisions of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which declares that all persons have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures by government agents. At a minimum, the Fourth Amendment protects the American people from undue government interference with their movement and from baseless interrogation about their identities or activities.
    Read the entire article here:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/...se-not-better/
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    That is true, but most people never fully accept an ideology that is forced upon them. Any ideology that has to use threat or force for people to accept it rather than with reason and logic is a failed ideology to begin with.
    This is mental gymnastics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Shut it all down.

    Country's full, and broke.
    But if we did that The Count would have to find something else to count besides how many new socialists can vote each year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Shut it all down.

    Country's full, and broke.
    I have yet to see anyone make a good case against this . I have nothing against immigrants but personally I gain nothing by them being here. Nothing .Elected officials seem disconnected from spending cuts .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I have yet to see anyone make a good case against this . I have nothing against immigrants but personally I gain nothing by them being here. Nothing .Elected officials seem disconnected from spending cuts .

    You got indoor plumbing out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I have yet to see anyone make a good case against this . I have nothing against immigrants but personally I gain nothing by them being here. Nothing .Elected officials seem disconnected from spending cuts .
    I would argue that some limited immigration is good theoretically, but we have had too much for so long that a moratorium might be required until things are back under control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    You got indoor plumbing out of it.
    And paper money instead of glass beads.
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    100% the intent of scaring people about immigrants to get them to surrender liberties.

    If we don't consent to warrantless searches the immigrants and terrorist win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I believe that the whole immigration carpe is to keep Americans scared & in compliance as more and more freedoms are lost.

    From John Whitehead:


    Read the entire article here:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/...se-not-better/

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    ICE Agents Hurl Pregnant Immigrant Over Mexican Border To Prevent Birth On U.S. Soil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I believe that the whole immigration carpe is to keep Americans scared & in compliance as more and more freedoms are lost.
    Maybe if we took charge at the border itself, there would be no justification for the authoritarians to endorse "constitution free zones" 100 miles from the border.

    I would love if this wasn't an issue, but it is.

    We cannot allow the entire world to traipse in whenever they feel like it, especially when most of the world is hostile to the "values" that all of us here hold dear: limited government, individual freedom, maximum property rights.

    I know that sounds like a logical conundrum, it sounds that way because it is.

    After how I have seen what the Bolshevik left, progressives and immigrants marching in the streets over this last year or so have had to say about me, my heart is now pretty hard.

    $#@! 'em.

    If you're here illegally, GTFO.

    Close the borders, so we don't have to have roving cop bands demanding papers inside the country.

    We're broke, utterly divided, full, and on the verge of literal "red" revolution.

    We have our own, possible fatal, problems to deal with.

    The rest of the world's "wretched refuse" can piss off back to wherever they came from and fix their own damn problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Maybe if we took charge at the border itself, there would be no justification for the authoritarians to endorse "constitution free zones" 100 miles from the border.

    I would love if this wasn't an issue, but it is.

    We cannot allow the entire world to traipse in whenever they feel like it, especially when most of the world is hostile to the "values" that all of us here hold dear: limited government, individual freedom, maximum property rights.

    I know that sounds like a logical conundrum, it sounds that way because it is.

    After how I have seen what the Bolshevik left, progressives and immigrants marching in the streets over this last year or so have had to say about me, my heart is now pretty hard.

    $#@! 'em.

    If you're here illegally, GTFO.

    Close the borders, so we don't have to have roving cop bands demanding papers inside the country.

    We're broke, utterly divided, full, and on the verge of literal "red" revolution.

    We have our own, possible fatal, problems to deal with.

    The rest of the world's "wretched refuse" can piss off back to wherever they came from and fix their own damn problems.
    There's a very easy fix to all of this:

    NO ENTITLEMENTS.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There's a very easy fix to all of this:

    NO ENTITLEMENTS.
    That would be a very good start and I'm all for it.

    How can you convince a people of that, when we are on the verge of authorizing food stamps for dogs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I have yet to see anyone make a good case against this . I have nothing against immigrants but personally I gain nothing by them being here. Nothing .Elected officials seem disconnected from spending cuts .
    Less than nothing. One could say you gain depending on where you live and the concentration of certain types of tribes:

    - higher taxes.

    - no longer being able to understand the language spoken by the majority.

    - no longer welcome in the local restaurants and stores since one is not one of them.

    - no longer allowed or welcome to walk on their side of the street.

    - whites relegated to specific bus seating.

    - ultimately hate, crime and ostracized for not being one of their tribe.

    But the left says only whites can be racist and we are supposed to accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There's a very easy fix to all of this:

    NO ENTITLEMENTS.
    They will still flock here in droves for the prosperity freedom brings, and if we let too many in they will destroy that freedom and prosperity.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There's a very easy fix to all of this:

    NO ENTITLEMENTS.
    You think this will discourage immigration from $#@!hole countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I believe that the whole immigration carpe is to keep Americans scared & in compliance as more and more freedoms are lost.

    From John Whitehead:

    A year ago, passengers arriving in New York’s JFK Airport on a domestic flight from San Francisco were ordered to show their “documents” to border patrol agents in order to get off the plane.

    With the government empowered to carry out transportation checks to question people about their immigration status within a 100-mile border zone that wraps around the country, you’re going to see a rise in these “show your papers” incidents.
    Read the entire article here:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/...se-not-better/
    Total logical failure with that example. By definition, and even by name, an "airPORT" is a port of entry. This is the appropriate place for checks. With California declaring itself a sanctuary state, any other state that wants to treat that as an international flight is within it's rights and is justifiable. This is not "100 miles" from a point of entry, it is a point of entry.

    Any law can be abused, or be enforced in an oppressive or unconstitutional manner. It happens all the time, and is in no way unique to immigration or border control. Oppressive enforcement is an important issue in and of itself, and applies to all laws and law enforcement. It is not specific to immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Shock poll: Americans want massive cuts to legal immigration
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...l-immigration/
    Yes, most people that live in an overcrowded area would say that. And building higher stack-a-prole apartments and condo-collectives does not solve the problem of overcrowding.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They will still flock here in droves for the prosperity freedom brings, and if we let too many in they will destroy that freedom and prosperity.
    Ender finally gets it:


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    Norway is fed up with the mass illegal immigration "we're ready to abandon international law"

    https://freespeechtime.blogspot.com/...legal.html?m=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yes, most people that live in an overcrowded area would say that. And building higher stack-a-prole apartments and condo-collectives does not solve the problem of overcrowding.
    We should stop overpopulating our cities. It is not economically feasible - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...y-Has-No-Money

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Total logical failure with that example. By definition, and even by name, an "airPORT" is a port of entry. This is the appropriate place for checks. With California declaring itself a sanctuary state, any other state that wants to treat that as an international flight is within it's rights and is justifiable. This is not "100 miles" from a point of entry, it is a point of entry.

    Any law can be abused, or be enforced in an oppressive or unconstitutional manner. It happens all the time, and is in no way unique to immigration or border control. Oppressive enforcement is an important issue in and of itself, and applies to all laws and law enforcement. It is not specific to immigration.
    Read the whole article, Brian.
    There is no spoon.

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    I think we need to take about 12 months of no new admissions. That should give us time to figure out who is already here and get them deported or assimilated. Some people come here on student visas and never go to class. That's a form of illegal immigration, too, and I think it's fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There's a very easy fix to all of this:

    NO ENTITLEMENTS.
    Government "employment" is an entitlement....

    Of the most costly sort.

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