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    Garden of Eden Bible Study

    Garden of Eden Bible Study

    The story of the garden of Eden is one that many know. One thing that might be missing from the story of the garden of Eden, is what really happened in Eden on that day. I was told as a child that it had something to do with apples. Well, when I read it when I became older I found out that the word apple is not even in the story. Apples have nothing what so ever to do with what happened in the garden of Eden. I am going to try the best I can with this Bible study to explain to you what really did happen in the garden of Eden. Without knowing what really happened in the garden of Eden, we miss out on so much information that we need to better understand God's word. You may have never heard the story told like this before and it may come as a shock to you what really did happen. We as God's children must not be shocked at the truth of God's word. What you will read will be graphic at times but to tell you what really did happen that's the way it is. We can never let God's word be to graphic for us. If we do, then we are getting to self righteous for God and He does not like that. One other thing that we need to know is that God uses symbology in His word, as we shall see very soon.

    Genesis 3:1-20

    V1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

    Here we have are first clue, the word serpent. Now we all know that snakes do not talk. This is not some special talking serpent but a name for a person. The place to find out who this person is, is the book of Revelation.

    Revelation 12:9
    V9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    So now we know who the serpent is, Satan. Yes Satan was in the garden of Eden. That can be found in Ezekiel 28:1-19 where it talks about Satan before and after his fall. We also see how Satan works by using lies and twisting God's word to suite his needs. We can read what God really said in Genesis 2:16-17

    Genesis 2:16-17
    V16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    V17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Subtil means cunning (usually in a bad sense). Satan is very wise and cunning which is why we need God's help to make it in this world. Also keep in mind that God does not count days like we do.

    II Peter 3:8
    V8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    V2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
    V3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

    We are not talking about real trees here but it is symbolic of people. Lets take a quick look at Jeremiah.

    Jeremiah 17:7-8
    V7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
    V8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

    Tree means to fasten (or make firm), i.e. to close (the eyes). It also means the spine (as giving firmness to the body) backbone. So you see we are not really talking about a tree at all. We are talking about a person, Satan. He is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan invented evil as he was the first one to sin which can be read in Ezekiel 28:14-15

    Ezekiel 28:14-15
    V14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
    V15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    Touch means to touch, i.e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman). Adam and Eve were told not to touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in any way. As we found out that tree is really Satan we are talking about. Keep in mind that touch means to lie with a woman. That is a very important fact as we shall see very soon.

    V4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

    Here is Satan lying again. He knows good and well what God really said to Adam and Eve. They to knew what God said but they didn't listen. This is one of Satan's best tricks, taking the word of God and twisting it to suite his needs. As you probably already know that is how Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness. Satan will use God's word but twist it just a little so it becomes untrue.

    V5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

    Up to this point Adam and Eve have not sinned, they did not know what evil was. But when they touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil their eyes shall be opened and they shall know what evil is. At that point, they have sinned. Lets take a look Genesis 2:25 and we shall see that they are not ashamed to be naked because they did not sin yet.

    Genesis 2:25
    V25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

    V6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

    Here we have the first sin of mankind. As you can see the word apple is nowhere in that verse, or any where in this whole chapter for that matter. The sin that was committed has absolutely nothing to do with eating apples. Now remember, the tree that is being talked about here is Satan. What Eve did was have intercourse with Satan. That's what the sin was and later we shall see that Cain's father is not Adam but Satan himself. This may be new to you and also may be a shock to hear. But remember that we must not let the truth in God's word shock us. That is really what happened, Eve had intercourse with Satan. Adam also took part, how and in what way I'm not sure. Seeing that Satan is supernatural, he could have appeared as a woman to Adam, maybe not. The point is that he did have a roll in what happened and did what God told him not to do.

    V7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    Remember in Genesis 2:25 they were both naked and not ashamed. Now they are because they have not listened to God and sinned. Other things to notice here are that they are in a fig grove, not being around apples. Also they took the fig leaves and made aprons to cover themselves. A apron does not go over your mouth but over your lower body. They covered the private parts because they were ashamed of the sin that was committed.

    V8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
    V9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
    V10 And he said, I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

    Here we have them for the first time afraid to be close to God. They new what they did was wrong because God told them not to do it. Now they have sinned and don't want to be around God.

    V11 And He said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
    V12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

    Adam is trying to lay the blame on Eve but he knows good and well that God told him not to do it.

    V13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

    As we have learned already the serpent is Satan. So is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Beguiled means to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce. Satan by twisting God's word with his lies and the power he has by being supernatural seduced Eve. Satan is very crafty and as we read in Revelation 12:9 he is the one that deceived the world.

    V14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    This is God's way of letting Satan know He thinks he is the lowest form of life ever created.

    V15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    God is still talking to Satan here. Enmity means to hate (as one of an opposite tribe or party); hence to be hostile. Seed means seed; figuratively, fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity. This tells us that there will be hostility between Satan's children and Eve's children. Satan's child will grow up and become the first murderer. Satan's offspring in time will bruise Jesus Christ's heel when they nail Him to the cross. Eve will have two children, Cain and Abel but they do not both have the same father. Adam is Abel's father while Satan is Cain's father. Later when we take a look at Adam's genealogy we shall find that Cain is not mentioned. That's because Adam is not Cain's father, Satan is.

    V16 Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    God's sentence to Eve was that her sorrow in child birth would be greatly multiplied. God did not give her a tummy ache for eating to many apples. God gave her more pain in having children for having committed the sin of having intercourse with Satan. Any women ever have a hard labor during child birth? Well you can thank Eve for that.

    V17 And unto Adam He said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
    V18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
    V19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

    Adam did the wrong thing by obeying what his wife wanted to do and not obeying what God wanted him to do. God should always come first in our life's. Next time you start to sweat at work trying to make money to put food on the table, you can thank Adam for that.

    V20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

    Eve is the mother of all living because it is through her offspring that Jesus Christ will be born. It does not mean we are all descendants of Eve but through Christ we can have eternal life.

    Lets continue are study in chapter 4.

    Genesis 4:1-26

    V1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
    V2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

    Again means to add or augment (often adverbial, to continue to do a thing). Eve continued in labor and gave birth to Abel. Cain and Abel are fraternal twins, which means they came from two separate bags of water. They had separate conceptions. It is possible for fraternal twins to have different fathers, just like Cain and Abel did.

    V3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
    V4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
    V5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

    Wroth means to glow or grow warm; figuratively (usually) to blaze up, of anger, zeal, jealousy. God had respect for Abel's offering because he offered the best parts of the first of his flock to the Lord. Cain on the other hand did not offer the best or the first of what he had to the Lord. Cain did not love God enough to offer Him the best of what he had.

    V6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
    V7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

    Cain fell short, he missed the mark by not offering the best he had to the Lord.

    V8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

    Cain becomes the first murderer.

    V9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

    Now Cain is lying to God. Family members are to take care and look out for each other, not kill each other. Let's take a look at I John. Also notice in V12 it says Cain is from "that wicked one" meaning Satan was his father.

    I John 3:10-12
    V10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
    V11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
    V12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

    V10 And He said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto Me from the ground.
    V11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
    V12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

    Cain's sentence for murdering his brother is handed down by God.

    V13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
    V14 Behold, Thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from Thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

    Here is Cain caring about his own life but he didn't care to much about his brothers.

    V15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

    Notice that God set a mark on Cain, that mark is very important, it is the beginning of the mark of the beast. It is also a spiritual mark. Cain's offspring in the Bible are called Kenites. Lets take a look at John 8:42-47 where Jesus is talking to some Kenites.

    John 8:42-47
    V42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.
    V43 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.
    V44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
    V45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not.
    V46 Which of you convinceth Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe Me?
    V47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    Kenites claim to be Jews but they are not as we shall read in Revelation.

    Revelation 2:8-11
    V8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the First and the Last, Which was dead, and is alive;
    V9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
    V10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
    V11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

    You can also read about the Kenites who claim to be Jews in Revelation 3:7-13 where it is talking about the church of Philadelphia. Out of the seven churches talked about in Revelation, Jesus only found the church of Smyrna and Philadelphia without any faults. One of the reasons being is that they know the truth about the Kenites, the sons of Cain. If your not in a church that teaches you about the Kenites or what really happened in the garden, it's time to find one that does. After all, why would you want to belong to a church system that Jesus finds faults with?

    V16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

    Lets skip down to verse 25.

    V25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
    V26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

    Here we read that Adam and Eve had another son, Seth. This way the generations leading up to the birth of Jesus stay pure.

    In Genesis 5 we have the generations of Adam all the way to Noah and his sons. We are just going to look at a bit of it and you will see that Cain is not mentioned as a child of Adam.

    Genesis 5:1-14

    V1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him;
    V2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
    V3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
    V4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
    V5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
    V6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
    V7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
    V8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
    V9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
    V10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
    V11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
    V12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
    V13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
    V14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

    As you read Cain is nowhere to be found in the seed line of Adam. Satan is Cain's father and through Cain and his offspring Satan has children on earth this very day.

    I hope that you found this study helpful and that it gives you a better understanding of what really did happen in the garden of Eden. The fact the Adam is not Cain's father but that Satan is his father. That is information that we need to know in order to better understand the word of God. The fact that Satan has children on this earth today is one reason why there is so much evil going on in this world. We also have the beginning of the mark of the beast with Cain being marked by God. To learn more about this mark and the beast, take a look at our study on the mark of the beast.
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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    The Garden Of Eden: The Origins Of Satan’s Seed

    By: Brandon T. Ward

    Revised: 11-1-2013
    What happened in the Garden of Eden? Mainstream Christianity has taught us since we were a child Eve’s sin in the Garden was her eating an apple. Yet, the word apple is not found in the entire book of Genesis. This apple teaching is another tradition of man which makes void the Word of God. Deception in the church should come as no surprise to us. Satan has had a firm grip on the church since times of old and it has only gotten worse. Two-thousand years ago Paul would document the wickedness of Satan at hand, “the mystery of iniquity doth already work,” (2 Thessalonians 2:7).

    Out of the seven churches in Revelation, Christ only approved of Smyrna and Philadelphia for the truth they taught. Do you know what truth that is (Revelation 2:8-10, 3:1-12)? Philadelphia possessed the Key of David which allows them to open doors no man can shut and shut doors no man can open. This is true for us today, as this is also prophecy for these end times. If we reference Revelation 12:9 we can document Satan will deceive the whole world when he is cast from Heaven to earth. The primary reason Satan is able to deceive the entire world is because of what the churches of today teach!

    The truth we are about to discover has been locked away from us, however we can unlock this mystery with the Key of David through the help of Christ.

    Before we start our Bible study, let us ask our Father for wisdom and understanding of His Word, in Jesus Name amen.

    In order to, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God…” we must make sure we are “…rightly dividing the word of truth,” (2 Timothy 2:15). In order to accomplish that we must understand God’s Word uses symbolism, parables, figures of speech and nature, which adds a tremendous amount of information using relatively few words. Also, Christ would tell us another reason for this is not everyone is supposed to understand the whole truth of God’s Word. We are going to document this from the Mouth of Jesus Christ before we proceed with this study, it is that important. Open your Bible and turn to,

    Matthew 13:10
    10 “And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?”

    The disciples wanted to know why Christ taught with parables instead of explaining exactly what He is referring to.

    Matthew 13:11
    11 “He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.“

    From the Mouth of Jesus Christ, the mysteries of God’s Word are not meant to be understood by all. But the Elect will understand.

    Matthew 13:12
    12 “For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.”

    This is a reference to the parable of talents. If you are given a truth from God and you do not act upon it within yourself or share, it becomes useless and will be taken away from you, (Matthew 25:15-30).

    Matthew 13:13
    13 “Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.“

    Christ is explaining when a parable is given the people do not perceive His speech unless they have eyes to see and ears to hear. Rather, some have been blinded for their own good (Romans 11:7-8).

    Matthew 13:14
    14 “And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:”

    These are not only the Words of Christ, but it was spoken of long ago by the prophet Isaiah. Without a doubt, God designed His Word in this fashion so not all would understand the whole truth of His Word. Will you understand?

    Matthew 13:15
    15 “For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

    Most peoples eyes and ears are closed, they do not care about God or even try to understand Him. You have to put in work if you wish to understand His Word and if you do, He shall open your eyes and ears.

    Matthew 13:16
    16 “But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.“

    It was for the disciples to understand, but not the multitude. Do you have eyes to see and ears to hear? Just as it was in the time of Christ, the multitude of today still will not understand. However, those chosen by God will understand, pray and ask that your eyes and ears be opened.

    With that having been said, let us now dig into the mystery surrounding the Garden of Eden.

    “Trees” are symbolic of people. The trunk is the backbone which supports the body while the branches are the limps. The two witnesses are described as “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth,” notice candles as well, because they bring forth light (Revelation 11:3-4). God called Himself as a “Fir Tree“ in Hosea 14 and Jesus Christ is known as the “Branch“ among other things (Zechariah 6:12).

    Another example would be the Words of Christ, “by their fruit ye shall know them,” (Matthew 7:20). People do not literally put forth fruit, it is symbolic of their works and by that we are able to tell if that person is righteous or not. Every Christian understands this, yet they are still confounded as to the mystery in the Garden.

    The book of Genesis documents two specific trees in the Garden of Eden, these are not literal trees (Genesis 2:9). We have the “Tree of Life” which almost every Christian recognizes as Jesus Christ. Then we have the tree of knowledge of good and evil which very few Christians have any understanding of. Common sense tells us trees have no thought process, they cannot be good nor evil. This tree is symbolic of an entity, that entity is Satan himself, he knew good and evil as he was created good, but became evil by sinning in the first earth age (Ezekiel 28, Isaiah 14). This is the same tree Adam and Eve were commanded not to eat of (Genesis 2:17). The account of Adam and Eve is in fact a parable, it is also a euphemism substituting a mild, indirect, or vague term for one considered harsh, blunt, or offensive, (which is probably why people started using the word apple instead of telling their children what really happened).

    After Adam and Eve were created, “they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed,” (Genesis 2:25). If an apple or any piece of fruit was the subject why would we be concerned about the state of clothing upon their bodies?

    Turn your Bibles with me to,

    Genesis 3:1
    1 “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”

    Let this be no great mystery to you, the serpent is Satan himself. He plays many roles in God’s Word. Revelation 12:9 documents he is the serpent “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

    Just as people do not literally put forth fruit, neither do serpents speak. This is symbolic for Satan, be not deceived!

    Genesis 3:2-3
    2 “And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

    3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”

    This word “touch” is Strong’s 5060 and it means, “to lie with a woman.” When you “lie with a woman” it means you have sex. The serpent is Satan as we documented and he is going to sexually seduce Eve. Why? Because Eve is the bloodline which Christ the Savior of the world would come through. This would be Satan’s first attempt at polluting the bloodline so Christ could not be born into the world.

    Genesis 3:4
    4 “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:”

    Satan is the father of lies.

    Genesis 3:5
    5 “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

    Satan’s method of operation is deception. Adam and Eve would never be like God, but Satan was right about them knowing evil. When they touched Satan they knew good and evil for they sinned a great sin.

    Genesis 3:6
    6 “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”

    Trees cannot make one wise or dumb, they have no knowledge to give. This is merely a parable, a figure of speech. The word “pleasant” is Strong’s word 8378 and it also means “lusting.” Ezekiel 28:12-13 documents, Satan is “perfect in beauty,” very pleasant to the eye and he “hast been in Eden the garden of God.” Satan is the serpent, Satan is the tree of knowledge of good and evil and Satan literally seduced Eve into intercourse in the Garden of Eden. Let us continue to document that fact.

    Genesis 3:7
    7 “And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.“

    Adam and Eve’s eyes were opened as they now knew evil in addition to good due to their sin. Recall from Genesis 2:25, we were told they were naked and not ashamed. In that verse they were both virgins, they did not know what sex was, they had nothing to hide, nothing to cover up, innocent as little children. However, after the sexual act they realized they were naked and sowed fig leaves together to cover their private parts in an attempt to hide where their sin had taken place.

    Genesis 3:8
    8 “And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”

    They hid themselves because they were ashamed of the sexual act they let themselves be deceived into by the father of lies, Satan.

    Genesis 3:9-11
    9 “And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

    10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

    11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?”

    God already knew what they had done, but He wanted Adam to confess his sin.

    Genesis 3:12-13
    12 “And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

    13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.”

    “Beguiled” is Strong’s word 5377 and it means “seduce.” We already documented the serpent is Satan and he literally sexually seduced Eve. Do you understand what happens when you seduce a woman?

    Genesis 3:14
    14 “And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:”

    Serpents do not consume dust. This is a statement of degradation by God to Satan.

    Genesis 3:15
    15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.“

    Listen to the Words of your Father, He does not lie, he placed “enmity” that is “hostility” between what? Satan’s “seed” and Eve’s “seed,” which is Strong’s word 2233 meaning “child“. Satan’s “seed” and the “seed” of man is sperm (documented below). God placed a division between the “seed“, the literal flesh offspring of Satan and the literal offspring of Eve.

    This is the first prophecy in the Bible. Satan’s “seed“, his children would bruise Christ’s heel which happened on the Cross, but Christ will bruise Satan’s head upon His return. Ultimately it will be the death blow for Satan when he is turned into ashes from within (Ezekiel 28:18).

    Genesis 3:16
    16 “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

    Do you have eyes to see and ears to hear? God greatly increased what? Her sorrow in conception, her sorrow in bringing forth children. “Seed“, sperm brings forth children not eating an apple. We are talking about sexual intercourse. If she ate an apple God would have given her a tooth ache.

    Genesis 4:1
    1 “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

    “Knew” is yet another euphemism. Adam and Eve had sexual intercourse, the subject is she conceived. Eve had stated she received a child from the Lord, those where her words, God did not say that.

    Genesis 4:2
    2 “And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.”

    “Again” is Strong’s word 3254 and it means to “continue.” She continued in labor, and gave birth to Abel. Cain, Satan’s son and Abel, Adam’s son were fraternal twins, they were brought forth from the same labor. We will document that further from God’s Word. Check with your medical doctor, fraternal twins can come from two different fathers in one pregnancy, this is called “superfecundation“.

    Genesis 4:3
    3 “And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.”

    Cain brought fruit of the ground as an offering to the Lord, but He did not bring his best.

    Genesis 4:4
    4 “And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:”

    Abel brought his firstlings and the fattest of his flock as an offering before the Lord, he brought his best. Notice, Cain and Abel reached the age of maturity at the same time by their sequential offerings, documenting they were in fact fraternal twins.

    Genesis 4:5
    5 “But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.”

    The Lord was disappointed with Cain because his offerings were not his first fruits, they were not the best he had to offer the Lord. And so would be the Words of Christ, “by their fruits ye shall know them.” Abel’s fruits were good because he was of Adam, while Cain’s fruits were evil because he was of Satan.

    Cain murdered his brother Abel because Cain was jealous; his fruits were not respected in the sight of the Lord. God would punish Cain dearly for this sin, cursing his ability to produce fruit from the ground, a curse which still lives with the children of Cain to this day.

    Cain’s children push forth Satan’s evil agenda which we know as the negative in God’s Word.

    In Genesis 5 Adam’s genealogy is given of which Cain is not a part. That is because Cain was Satan’s son not Adam’s son.

    Paul would give us a second witness to the events in the Garden. Please turn your Bibles with me to,

    2 Corinthians 11:2
    2 “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.“

    The return of our Lord and Savior is the Great Wedding and we are to be a spiritual virgin for it. Paul would give us warning as Satan will appear first claiming to be Christ.

    2 Corinthians 11:3
    3 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

    We previously documented the serpent is Satan, but let us do it once more. The word “serpent” is Strong’s word 3789 in the Greek and it means “especially Satan.” The word “beguiled” is Strong’s word 1818 in the Greek and it means “to seduce wholly” when you wholly seduce a woman it means you had sex with her. The serpent, Satan wholly seduced Eve thereby removing her virginity and impregnating her. This is the point Paul is convening to us.

    Our third witness is Jesus Christ who also taught Satan brought children into the world. We can document that in Matthew 13 with the parable, tares of the field. Christ gave the parable to the multitude, but He explained the literal meaning of it privately to the disciples as it is not for everyone to understand the whole truth of God’s Word.

    Before we dig into this parable we must make note of the word “seed” in this 13th chapter of Matthew. In the verses preceding 24 the word “seed” is “speirō“, 4687 in your Strong’s Concordance and it means,

    Probably strengthened from G4685 (through the idea of extending); to scatter, that is, sow (literally or figuratively): – sow (-er), receive seed.
    In those verses we can document the word “seed” is referencing seed for growing food. However, the word “seed” as spoken by Christ concerning the tares in verses 24, 27, 37 and 38 is “sperma“, 4690 in the Strong’s and it means,

    From G4687; somethng sown, that is, seed (including the male “sperm”); by implication offspring; specifically a remnant (figuratively as if kept over for planting): – issue, seed.
    “Male sperm, offspring!” This is why it is very important to use the Strong’s Concordance with your studies. We are not talking about vegetable seeds, sperm does not equate to vegetables and vegetables do not have offspring. We are talking about the very seed of man, sperm, not vegetable seeds friends. What is man’s sperm used for, what does it do, think about this for a moment.

    A mans sperm plus a woman’s egg gives you a child in the flesh. This is extremely important, these are not my words but the Words of Jesus Christ. Can you hear the Words of Christ, can you understand His speech?

    With that said, let us listen to the parable that Christ spoke before the multitude.

    Matthew 13:24
    24 “Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”

    “Seed,” here is male sperm not vegetable seed. Do you have ears to hear?

    Matthew 13:25-29
    25 “But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.“

    We cannot gather up the tares as Christ said, or the good wheat will be pulled up with the tares, meaning innocent people could die. Tares look nearly identical to wheat as they grow in the field. The tares are only discernibly different when they put forth their fruit which is a vile poisonous seed. Just as Cain and Abel, they were both flesh and blood men, but when they brought forth fruit we could see Cain’s fruits were vile while Abel’s were righteous. Do you have eyes to see?

    Matthew 13:30
    30 “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”

    What we just read was the parable as spoken before the multitude.

    Matthew 13:34-35
    34 “All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

    35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.“

    As we have documented, Christ spoke in parables because it is not meant for everyone to understand the whole truth of God’s Word. This is the other half of the Key of David and God’s Elect will understand. Christ thought this subject was so important, He is going to give the literal meaning of this parable to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Pray once again asking God for wisdom and understanding.

    Matthew 13:36
    36 “Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.“

    Listen, Christ is about to give us the literal meaning of the parable.

    Matthew 13:37-42
    37 “He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.”

    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

    42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

    Those are the very Words of Jesus Christ. Remember, the word “seed” in these verses is “sperma,” we are talking about male sperm. Christ just explained to us Satan’s “seed“, his sperm brought forth children who live among the children of God in the world today. Because of their evil fruit, their works, they shall be gathered by the angels of Christ and cast into the lake of fire at the end of this earth age. It does not get any more plain than that.

    Do you know them? Do you know who the children of Satan are?

    Matthew 13:42
    43 “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

    The righteous children of God shine forth as we are the children of light. We ensure our lamps have oil allowing them to burn continually, providing the very light which dispels the darkness that has covered this “mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints,” (Colossians 1:26).
    http://worldeventsandthebible.com/20...tml#more-17056
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  5. #4
    You do know that many offspring are not mentioned. Abel is not mentioned beyond that story. Later lineage makes no mention..
    Seth is relevant as the line continues, But not all children are named.

    This is a relevant story without confusion. studygames sorry,, but the serpent seed is confusion.

    It did happen later as people multiplied,,, the rebellious angels corrupted man.

    That was the reason for the flood.. and Noah was offspring of Seth.

    NONE of Cains offspring survived the Flood.

    That is a theory based in confusion and meant to confuse.
    The offspring of Ham were wholly unrelated to Cain.. although one was named similar.
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  6. #5
    Do any early Church Father or other Christian Saints of the first three centuries mention Eve having sexual relations with Satan?

    Who is Brandon T. Ward?
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  7. #6
    @donnay

    Please read the Bible and not studygames

    And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord
    and keep reading it over and over again till you see who Cains father is.
    Try different translations.
    Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
    Abel pleased the Lord.. Brought First born offerings,, fat and choice..
    Cain brought some stuff and offered it.

    God was pleased with Abel and displeased with Cain.
    Cain got pissed

    Cains decedents,, if there were any.. were wiped out by the flood.. and are not around past that point.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    You do know that many offspring are not mentioned. Abel is not mentioned beyond that story. Later lineage makes no mention..
    Seth is relevant as the line continues, But not all children are named.

    This is a relevant story without confusion. studygames sorry,, but the serpent seed is confusion.

    It did happen later as people multiplied,,, the rebellious angels corrupted man.

    That was the reason for the flood.. and Noah was offspring of Seth.

    NONE of Cains offspring survived the Flood.

    That is a theory based in confusion and meant to confuse.
    The offspring of Ham were wholly unrelated to Cain.. although one was named similar.
    Cain was the first murderer!

    John 8:44 KJV
    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    The genealogy of Adam does not list Cain in there. But Cain has a separate genealogy--Cain went to Nod and took a wife. Where did this wife come from, you suppose? Seth is in the genealogy because from Seth, Christ bloodline would come.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Do any early Church Father or other Christian Saints of the first three centuries mention Eve having sexual relations with Satan?


    Yes as a matter of fact two churches; Smyrna and Philadelphia did.


    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Who is Brandon T. Ward?


    I decided to start World Events and the Bible in an attempt to help others who are having a difficult time understanding the events of today. Not only is it hard to understand the events of our world, but it is hard to find accurate information concerning these events. That is what World Events and the Bible is here for. To help you cut through all of the false information and half truths and reveal the facts!

    As a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, I feel I have come to a point in my study of the Bible where I can assist others. For the believer, to help you wade through the misconceptions and non-truths of the Bible which are so commonly taught today as fact. For the non-believer, to help you see that the Bible is, in fact, true and accurate if you only take the time to read it and understand it for yourself.

    While I deeply believe the Bible student should be doing a verse by verse study of God’s Word, there will be times when you need to cover topics and world events which require you to pull resources from various books of the Bible. This approach will be used most since this is not a Bible only site. I have learned so much in such a short period of time by studying the Bible in this fashion. God’s Word truly comes alive and you can no longer be misled by man, whether it is intentional or not.

    Know this, only by reading God’s Word with understanding can we make sense of the events of our world today. Please join us!

    Sincerely,

    Brandon T. Ward
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  11. #9
    What churches taught that? Can you cite some references?

    Thank you in the info on Brandon T. Ward.
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  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    What churches taught that? Can you cite some references?

    Thank you in the info on Brandon T. Ward.
    Look at the first post. \

    Kenites claim to be Jews but they are not as we shall read in Revelation.

    Revelation 2:8-11
    V8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the First and the Last, Which was dead, and is alive;
    V9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
    V10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
    V11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

    You can also read about the Kenites who claim to be Jews in Revelation 3:7-13 where it is talking about the church of Philadelphia. Out of the seven churches talked about in Revelation, Jesus only found the church of Smyrna and Philadelphia without any faults. One of the reasons being is that they know the truth about the Kenites, the sons of Cain. If your not in a church that teaches you about the Kenites or what really happened in the garden, it's time to find one that does. After all, why would you want to belong to a church system that Jesus finds faults with?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  13. #11
    I’m sorry, that is not a reference.

    That is an inference. And one made by Brandon Ward and no Christian writer of the first three centuries.

    Can you please reference where any Christian Saint or Church Father taught the Serpent Seed doctrine?
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  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    You do know that many offspring are not mentioned. Abel is not mentioned beyond that story. Later lineage makes no mention..
    Seth is relevant as the line continues, But not all children are named.

    This is a relevant story without confusion. studygames sorry,, but the serpent seed is confusion.

    It did happen later as people multiplied,,, the rebellious angels corrupted man.

    That was the reason for the flood.. and Noah was offspring of Seth.

    NONE of Cains offspring survived the Flood.

    That is a theory based in confusion and meant to confuse.
    The offspring of Ham were wholly unrelated to Cain.. although one was named similar.
    Pete,

    Didn't God instruct Noah to take two of each flesh on the ark? (Genesis 7)

    Man and woman are flesh.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    I’m sorry, that is not a reference.

    That is an inference. And one made by Brandon Ward and no Christian writer of the first three centuries.

    Can you please reference where any Christian Saint or Church Father taught the Serpent Seed doctrine?
    The Synagogue of Satan and those who claim to be Jews and are not, is inference?


    Entomology of the word:

    Word: OIW

    Pronounce: kah'-yin

    Strong: H7014

    Orig: the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s). H7013 H7069

    Use: TWOT-2017,2016

    Grk Strong: G2535

    Cain = "possession"

    n pr m
    1) eldest son of Adam and Eve and the first murderer having murdered his brother Abel

    Kenite = "smiths"

    n pr gent
    2) the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  16. #14
    My question is where did any Christian writer in the first three centuries teach that Eve had sex with Adam.

    That seems like a pretty important thing, and yet I don’t recall ever having come across that in my limited readings. Can you cite a writer who did?
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  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post

    That is a theory based in confusion and meant to confuse.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

    This doctrine not only directly and clearly contradicts Genesis, but it requires a lot of adding to the scriptures what is not there.

    If I'm not mistaken, Hitler believed in this view, or something similar to it. I'm not saying that as an argument (that would be a logical fallacy) but just to say that it has been used to justify racist or other unbiblical ideas.
    “I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”

    ― Henry David Thoreau

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    My question is where did any Christian writer in the first three centuries teach that Eve had sex with Adam.

    That seems like a pretty important thing, and yet I don’t recall ever having come across that in my limited readings. Can you cite a writer who did?
    Yes it is important, that is why it is good to study the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse and to have study tools. I have a KJV Companion Bible, Strong's Concordance and Green's Interlinear. Oh and I use the Smith's Bible Dictionary too. Because we have to rightly divide the word.

    I always ask God for guidance and wisdom in his Word.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

    This doctrine not only directly and clearly contradicts Genesis, but it requires a lot of adding to the scriptures what is not there.

    If I'm not mistaken, Hitler believed in this view, or something similar to it. I'm not saying that as an argument (that would be a logical fallacy) but just to say that it has been used to justify racist or other unbiblical ideas.
    How does Satan's seed justify racism?

    God created the races (the Ethnos) on the 6th day. He created Adam (Ethadam) on the 8th day. How do you think Cain went to Nod and took a wife?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yes it is important, that is why it is good to study the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse and to have study tools. I have a KJV Companion Bible, Strong's Concordance and Green's Interlinear. Oh and I use the Smith's Bible Dictionary too. Because we have to rightly divide the word.

    I always ask God for guidance and wisdom in his Word.
    So, does that mean you do not have a Christian writer to reference to other than Brandon Ward?

    Surely in 2000 years of Christian writings, this should have been mentioned an enormous times given the implications and importance of such a claim.
    Last edited by TER; 01-21-2018 at 08:42 PM.
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    So, does that mean you do not have a Christian writer to reference to other than Brandon Ward?

    Surely in 2000 years of Christian writings, this should have been mentioned an enormous times given the implications and importance of such a claim.
    I understand that unless you delve into it yourself with study tools it is hard to understand. That's okay, put in on a shelf for later.




    Marking the Sons of Cain: Part I

    Tracking and counting the characteristics of the sons of Cain aka the Kenite Bloodline as according to KJV Bible
    I pray that this video brings DISCERNMENT from the blinded DELUSIONAL viper attacks out there that falsely claim that a son of Cain aka Kajin, can be physically identified, who use COMMON human physical attributes as well as race or skin color, as LIES to bear false witness against and to attack God’s Children–and who are ACCUSERS of satan who twist GOD’s WORD to further their racist hate driven agenda.

    True Christians see right thru you and know the poison of your fruit. I pray you repent.

    The WORD of GOD tells us how to mark the sons of Cain and most important, for those who are gifted with discernment of the parable of the sower, that we are to LEAVE them ALONE, the angels shall take care of them at the harvest, and we ALL shall be judged & rewarded according to our works, when Our Lord Jesus Christ returns at the Last Trump.

    Protecting Cain? Interesting “spin”.
    Hmmm…more like PRESERVING THEM for their JUDGEMENT DAY!
    YES, Our Heavenly Father and our Lord Jesus Christ most certainly has done that very thing, according to HIS PLAN as it is written in HIS WORD.

    Peace, Grace and Discernment be to us all.
    Your sister in Christ Jesus Yehshua Messiah,
    Lisa
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    — Proof of the 6th Day Creation — Allow common sense to prevail here.
    Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod (Babel-Confusion-Shinar-Babylon), on the east of Eden.

    Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; (Where did this wife come from, as she did NOT go with him from the Garden of Eden, the obvious answer is, SHE was already there when Cain arrived–thus proves the 6th day Creation was out in the world, just as written) and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
    https://lisaintx.wordpress.com/categ...f-cain/page/3/



    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    How does Satan's seed justify racism?

    God created the races (the Ethnos) on the 6th day. He created Adam (Ethadam) on the 8th day. How do you think Cain went to Nod and took a wife?
    Apparently some racist groups believe that certain races are inferior because they're the "cursed offspring of Cain."

    To give one example, the so-called "Christian identity" group. From Wikipedia:

    Christian Identity ("CI") is not an organized religion, instead it is adhered to by individuals, churches and some prison gangs[5] with a white supremacist theology[6][7] that promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who considered Europeans to be the chosen people and Jews to be the cursed offspring of Cain, the "serpent hybrid" (or Serpent seed (a belief known as the two-seedline doctrine). An early Christian Identity teacher, Wesley A. Swift, formulated the doctrine that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God's favor or be saved.[8][9] The theology was promoted by George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

    I also want to make it clear that I know that not everyone who holds this view is racist or anti-semitic.
    “I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”

    ― Henry David Thoreau

  24. #21
    So is your position that you have no Christian writer to cite other than Brandon Ward?

    Is your position that the first 19 centuries of the history of Christianity the Christians did not have the tools you do to understand the Scriptures and formulate these beliefs?

    Was the Holy Spirit lacking? Were these secret teachings only to be revealed in these later times, as the Gnostics have taught? Were the Apostles not privy to these teachings? Did they forget to pass them down?

    I’m not sure I understand what you are saying.

    I am asking a simple question.

    Which Christian writers in the 20 centuries before Brandon Ward spoke about Eve having sex with Satan?

    If you prefer to not give a straight answer, than I can stop asking and leave this thread alone.
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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Pete,

    Didn't God instruct Noah to take two of each flesh on the ark? (Genesis 7)

    Man and woman are flesh.
    NO..
    and this is why I say read the BOOK. not what someone tells you..

    God told Noah 7 of all clean beasts and a pair (2) of all unclean beasts.

    and there were 8 souls saved. Noah, his wife, and three sons and their wives. 8 people. All human.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    Apparently some racist groups believe that certain races are inferior because they're the "cursed offspring of Cain."

    To give one example, the so-called "Christian identity" group. From Wikipedia:

    Christian Identity ("CI") is not an organized religion, instead it is adhered to by individuals, churches and some prison gangs[5] with a white supremacist theology[6][7] that promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who considered Europeans to be the chosen people and Jews to be the cursed offspring of Cain, the "serpent hybrid" (or Serpent seed (a belief known as the two-seedline doctrine). An early Christian Identity teacher, Wesley A. Swift, formulated the doctrine that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God's favor or be saved.[8][9] The theology was promoted by George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

    I also want to make it clear that I know that not everyone who holds this view is racist or anti-semitic.
    That is where I first heard it and it does not stand cursory scrutiny.. When I was in prison..some of the airhead nation held it.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    How does Satan's seed justify racism?

    God created the races (the Ethnos) on the 6th day.

    RIGHT THERE ^^^
    God did not create "races".

    God created Man. Human.
    not any different races,,

    and it confuses the issue with the Giants,, who were not a race created by God.. and a separate issue.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Cain was the first murderer!
    First human murderer. First at a lot of things I'm sure. First human born. and cursed afterward.. to wander the land..and his offspring were taught by and food for the unholy abominations that reigned until the Flood.

    Seth is the line that survived the Flood.

    8 souls were saved.
    Please read the bible without the unhelpful help.

    I would debate sola all day IF HE COULD ONLY REMAIN HONEST.. he could not.

    The whole book balances and answers. but it does it as a whole.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    NO..
    and this is why I say read the BOOK. not what someone tells you..

    God told Noah 7 of all clean beasts and a pair (2) of all unclean beasts.

    and there were 8 souls saved. Noah, his wife, and three sons and their wives. 8 people. All human.
    I do read the Bible.

    Genesis 7:15-16

    15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

    16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.


    Noah and his family were from the Adamic lineage, and the lineage of which Christ would come from umbilical cord to umbilical cord.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I do read the Bible.

    Genesis 7:15-16

    15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

    16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.


    Noah and his family were from the Adamic lineage, and the lineage of which Christ would come from umbilical cord to umbilical cord.
    Whole book
    The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

    And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him.
    And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood.
    On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.
    No one else lived.

    Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
    No line of Cain survived.
    That whole teaching is nonsense.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 01-21-2018 at 10:26 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    RIGHT THERE ^^^
    God did not create "races".

    God created Man. Human.
    not any different races,,

    and it confuses the issue with the Giants,, who were not a race created by God.. and a separate issue.

    You are going to tell me from Adam and Eve all the different ethnic people came from just two people?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You are going to tell me from Adam and Eve all the different ethnic people came from just two people?
    No.
    I will let the Bible tell you.

    Noah had three sons. they had wives. they had children.
    Gen 9:18-19
    The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the whole earth.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No.
    I will let the Bible tell you.

    Noah had three sons. they had wives. they had children.
    Gen 9:18-19
    Noah and his sons and their wives were Adamic (ruddy or rosy complexion) so where did the ethnic people come from?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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