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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Noah and his sons and their wives were Adamic (ruddy or rosy complexion) so where did the ethnic people come from?
    The family lines,, Shem,, Semitic tribes , Japheth,, Northern tribes.. European
    and Ham, Southern toward Africa.

    Family lines,,, not races.. only one human race.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    The family lines,, Shem,, Semitic tribes , Japheth,, Northern tribes.. European
    and Ham, Southern toward Africa.

    Family lines,,, not races.. only one human race.
    That still does not explain ethnicity.

    The six day creation makes more sense.

    Genesis 1:26-27 (KJV)

    26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


    29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

    31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



    Genesis 2

    2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

    2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

    5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

    6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

    7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

    9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

    15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

    19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

    20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

    21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

    22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  5. #33
    If you watch this it brings it all together nicely:

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    If you watch this it brings it all together nicely:
    Race is a LIE.

    There are family lines,, not races.
    Generation after generation under the sun toned skin color.

    You have been told a lie. and the scripture twisted.. There are no "races" of man,, there are family lines.
    You have to ignore or severely twist the word to get any else.. and I had already showed by scripture that it is false.
    Cain and Abel were not twins they were brothers.

    They were not nephalim,, that is a completely separate issue.

    Noah was of Seth's line. Noah and 3 sons and their wives ware ALL that survived the flood.

    There is no line of Cain on the world today. Period..

    Forget about this trash teaching,, dump it like a disposable diaper that has been in the sun.
    It is a false garbage teaching.. it is based in hate.

    Read the bible,, it will refute that teaching.. it does not hold up to any scrutiny..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Race is a LIE.

    There are family lines,, not races.
    Generation after generation under the sun toned skin color.

    You have been told a lie. and the scripture twisted.. There are no "races" of man,, there are family lines.
    You have to ignore or severely twist the word to get any else.. and I had already showed by scripture that it is false.
    Cain and Abel were not twins they were brothers.

    They were not nephalim,, that is a completely separate issue.

    Noah was of Seth's line. Noah and 3 sons and their wives ware ALL that survived the flood.

    There is no line of Cain on the world today. Period..

    Forget about this trash teaching,, dump it like a disposable diaper that has been in the sun.
    It is a false garbage teaching.. it is based in hate.

    Read the bible,, it will refute that teaching.. it does not hold up to any scrutiny..
    The scripture above is from the KJV Bible. If you read it, there is nothing in that or the video, alluding to hate or racism or anything like that. God made the six day creation and he said it was good. God made Adam (Et ha adam) on the 8th since on the 7th he rested. Adam became the farmer.

    It's like what Morpheus from the movie the Matrix said:

    “I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it”
    ― Morpheus The Matrix
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    The scripture above is from the KJV Bible. If you read it, there is nothing in that or the video, alluding to hate or racism or anything like that. God made the six day creation and he said it was good. God made Adam (Et ha adam) on the 8th since on the 7th he rested. Adam became the farmer.

    It's like what Morpheus from the movie the Matrix said:

    “I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it”
    ― Morpheus The Matrix
    And all of that has nothing to do whatsoever with race..
    God created Man. Not several races of man..

    all men,, white, black, red or yellow are all sons of Adam. through Seth,, through Noah,,

    The curse on Ham,, had nothing to do with Cain,, he was long dead.
    Caanan had nothing to do with Cain.. nothing. Cain had nothing to do with Caanan.
    Entirely different times,, Before the flood and after the flood..

    The teaching is Foodoo. There ARE NO races of men. There is one human race created by God.. the line of Adam.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 01-26-2018 at 02:04 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  9. #37
    God made Adam (Et ha adam) on the 8th since on the 7th he rested.
    8th day?

    There is no recorded 8th day,, and none in the scripture..

    Where was that made up at?
    Last edited by pcosmar; 01-22-2018 at 12:01 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Race is a LIE.

    There are family lines,, not races.
    Generation after generation under the sun toned skin color.

    You have been told a lie. and the scripture twisted.. There are no "races" of man,, there are family lines.
    You have to ignore or severely twist the word to get any else.. and I had already showed by scripture that it is false.
    Cain and Abel were not twins they were brothers.
    Genesis 4:1
    1 “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

    “Knew” is yet another euphemism. Adam and Eve had sexual intercourse, the subject is she conceived. Eve had stated she received a child from the Lord, those where her words, God did not say that.

    Genesis 4:2
    2 “And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.”

    “Again” is Strong’s word 3254 and it means to “continue.” She continued in labor, and gave birth to Abel. Cain, Satan’s son and Abel, Adam’s son were fraternal twins, they were brought forth from the same labor. We will document that further from God’s Word. Check with your medical doctor, fraternal twins can come from two different fathers in one pregnancy, this is called “superfecundation“.
    http://worldeventsandthebible.com/20...of-satans.html

    Their Births

    It is a well-known fact that Jacob and Esau were twins, but what is not commonly known is that Cain and Abel were also twins. In the normal Hebraic accounting of multiple births the conception then birth of each child is mentioned such as we can see in Genesis 29:32-33 where it states that Leah conceived and bore a son, and then she conceived again and bore a son. Note that there are two conceptions and two births. But notice how it is worded in Genesis 4:1-2.

    Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain; And again, she bore his brother Abel. (RSV)

    Notice that there is only one conception, but two births. The Hebrew word for "again" is asaph, meaning to add something, in this case the birthing of Abel was added to the birthing of Cain. Cain and Abel were twins.
    http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/articles_cainandabel.html
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    8th day?

    There is no recorded 8th day,, and none in the scripture..

    Where was that made up at?
    What comes after 7, Pete?

    Genesis 2

    2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

    2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

    5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

    6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

    7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

    9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

    15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

    19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

    20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

    21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

    22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    And all of that has nothing to do whatsoever with race..
    God created Man. Not several races of man..

    all men,, white, black, red or yellow are all sons of Adam. through Seth,, through Noah,,

    The curse on Ham,, had nothing to do with Cain,, he was long dead.
    Caanan had nothing to do with Cain.. nothing. Cain had nothing to do with Caanan.
    Entirely different times,, Before the flood and after the flood..

    The teaching is Foodoo. There ARE NO races of men. There is one human race cr4eated by God.. the line of Adam.
    You are mixing up many things here. And because you are mixing so many things together it is making it hard to follow.

    Noah's son, Ham, had nothing to do with Cain and Abel or the Garden of Eden.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    What comes after 7, Pete?
    The rest of time..
    however many days God walked with them in the Garden,, before the fall.

    The bible doesn't say.

    But you have added an 8th day to creation that is not in scripture.
    Just like Cain and Abel being twins,, which is also NOT in the bible.

    This teaching is not in the bible.. it is error.
    Read the Book and quit listening to false teachings.. please.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post

    Noah's son, Ham, had nothing to do with Cain and Abel or the Garden of Eden.
    I know that..
    But the "serpent seed' lie teaches them connected.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  16. #43
    It is a well-known fact that Jacob and Esau were twins, but what is not commonly known is that Cain and Abel were also twins.
    It is not commonly known because it is wholly fabricated to fit. It is not in the bible.

    This is a common trick,, to attach a known event and a fabricated one.

    it is still a lie
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It is not commonly known because it is wholly fabricated to fit. It is not in the bible.

    This is a common trick,, to attach a known event and a fabricated one.

    it is still a lie
    I respectfully disagree with you, Pete.

    I get my information from many sources, and cross-reference it with other Bible studying tools. You are repeating the same lies I was taught before actually studying the information myself.

    Colossians 1:26-27 (KJV)
    26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
    27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


    Matthew 13:43 (KJV)
    43 “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I know that..
    But the "serpent seed' lie teaches them connected.
    Not from what I have studied.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  19. #46
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  20. #47
    The Synagogue Of Satan: Those Who Claim To Be Judah But Do Lie

    By: Brandon T. Ward

    Mainstream Christianity mistakenly believes the twelve tribes of Israel were combined into the single tribe of Judah who they perceive to be God’s chosen people. Christians have allowed themselves to be deceived by this lie as they fail to seek out the scriptures and read God’s Word with understanding. Instead, they rely upon the traditions of man which make void the Word of God. In this study we will document from God’s Word who the twelve tribes of Israel are and who those are that claim to be of the tribe of Judah but do lie.

    Before we start our Bible study, let us ask our Father for wisdom and understanding of His Word, in Jesus Name amen.

    In order to bring clarity to this subject, we must first understand that all twelve tribes of Israel are God’s chosen people, not any one particular tribe. Have you ever asked yourself what “chosen” by God even means? The twelve tribes of Israel were chosen to bring forth God’s Word, His message to the people of the world whereby all could know Him, whereby all could come to repentance (Acts 10:36). We should understand, “God is no respecter of persons,” He does not pick favorites “But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him,” (Acts 10:34). “Fear” would be better translated “revere“. We love our Father, we are not afraid of Him and no matter who we are, if we love God and follow His Word we are accepted into His righteous arms.

    Today, a part of the tribe of Judah resides in the nation named Israel. However, all twelve tribes of Israel were scattered upon the earth and form the Christian nations of today. Genesis 17:7 documents, God made an “everlasting covenant” with Abraham. Open your Bible and turn with me to the Words of our Father as spoken to Abraham

    Genesis 22:17-18
    17 “That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

    18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”

    A single nation has fulfilled this, but that nation is not Israel, they could never fulfill this promise by God. The nation named Israel is extremely small including its population and it does not possess the gate of its enemy, nor does it bless the nations of the earth. However, the Christian nations are a blessing to the world by sharing the Word of God and their charitable acts. In addition, The United States of America does possess the gate of its enemy. It would be this nation that ultimately fulfilled this promise. The truth is, the Christian nations are the true decedents of the twelve tribes, this very likely means you. Some of these decedents are the Remnant which God established to pass down the truth from His Word from one generation to the next in order to share it with the world.

    To further the point, in Genesis 17:5-6, God told Abraham, “a father of many nations have I made thee… I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.” God’s covenant with Abraham was “everlasting,” his children were to be numbered as the sand of the sea including nations and kings. It should be abundantly clear to us that the nation named Israel today does not fit this “everlasting covenant.” Thus documenting the twelve tribes of Israel were not combined into the tribe of Judah, but spread upon the earth as “many nations“.

    Our Father would continue by stating, “my covenant will I establish with Isaac,” (Genesis 17:19). We know from scripture that Isaac’s son is Jacob. Jacob’s name was changed to Israel and he is the father of the twelve tribes, who are naturally called Israelites.

    If we turn to Genesis 49:1-28 we read, “And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.” Jacob had twelve sons, each son being the father of their specific tribe. If we continue to read Genesis 49, Jacob explains what will happen to each of his twelve son’s tribe, not a single tribe, but all twelve of the tribes in the last days.

    Turn now to Revelation 7 which documents the 144,000 of the Tribulation are comprised of 12,000 members from each of the twelve tribes. The 144,000 are the Elect who are sealed with God’s Word whereby they know the events that consummate the end of this age, including recognizing the appearance of the false messiah, Satan. (Note: Jacob’s son Joseph had two sons, Manasses and Ephraim. Manasses replaced the tribe of Dan due to Dan’s sin which is why we do not find them below.)

    Revelation 7:4-8
    4 “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

    6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

    7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

    8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”

    God’s Word has just documented all twelve tribes exist in the world today, they are all chosen and 12,000 from each tribe will be sealed for the Tribulation. The teaching that only the tribe of Judah is God’s chosen is a lie. Remember, the entire point of God’s chosen people is to bring forth the Word of God to the world. God’s covenant with Abraham was to consist of many nations. Which nations of the world bring forth the Word of God? Do those who claim to be of the tribe of Judah bring forth the Word of God?

    Let us now take a look at the nation named Israel today which consists primarily of what many would call Jews, which is to say the bloodline of Judah. Are they all really decedents of the Israelite tribe of Judah? Turn your Bibles with me and listen to the words of Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 2:9
    9 “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.“

    Christ boldly warned us of those who claim to be our brother Judah but do lie and instead are the offspring of Satan. Most Christians would be shocked by this. They would also be shocked to discover over 90% of those in the world who claim to be Jews, those who claim to be the bloodline of Judah are not descendants of the tribe of Judah at all. Rather, 90% identify themselves as Ashkanazi Jews. This does not make them the offspring of Satan, but it does mean they are not a true descendant of Judah.

    The Ashkanazi Jews who claim to be of the bloodline of our brother Judah are descendants of an ancient civilization called Khazaria and the peoples were known as Khazars. These people were of Turkish stock from the Orient. They were heathen that adopted the religion known as Judaism, thus taking on the name “Jews.” Let us read what the Jewish and Britannica Encyclopedias have to say concerning the Khazars,

    “A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with the very beginnings of the history of the Jews of Russia. The kingdom of the Chazars was firmly established in most of South Russia long before the foundation of the Russian monarchy by the Varangians (855).

    Jews have lived on the shores of the Black and Caspian seas since the first centuries of the common era. Historical evidence points to the region of the Ural as the home of the Chazars. Among the classical writers of the Middle Ages they were known as the “Chozars,” “Khazirs,” “Akatzirs,” and “Akatirs,” and in the Russian chronicles as “Khwalisses” and “Ugry Byelyye.””

    – The Jewish Encyclopedia


    “The chaghan (the king) of the Chazars and his grandees, together with a large number of his heathen people, embraced the Jewish religion.“

    – The Jewish Encyclopedia


    “The most striking characteristic of the Khazars was the apparent adoption of Judaism by the khagan and the greater part of the ruling class in about 740. The circumstances of the conversion remain obscure, the depth of their adoption of Judaism difficult to assess; but the fact itself is undisputed and unparalleled in central Eurasian history. A few scholars have even asserted that the Judaized Khazars were the remote ancestors of many eastern European and Russian Jews.”

    – Encyclopedia Britannica
    We can clearly see the Khazars converted to Judaism thus taking on the name Jews. We should note, you cannot become of the tribe of Judah by joining any religion, it is by blood only. Unfortunately, most people fail to understand that fact which is a part of the confusion we see today. So in all actuality these convert Ashkanazi Jews were never slaves in Egypt nor Babylon and never set a foot in the Holy Land they claim is theirs. No wonder Christ gave us a warning concerning the identity of Judah (Revelation 2:9, 3:9).

    Long before the recorded history of the Khazars, the twelve tribes of Israel had been infiltrated by the imposter Jews. We can read of this in Joshua 9 where the inhabitants of the land worked deceitfully as they disguised themselves as ambassadors from afar. They “took old sacks upon their asses, and wine bottles, old, and rent, and bound up; And old shoes and clouted upon their feet, and old garments upon them; and all the bread of their provision was dry and mouldy. And they went to Joshua unto the camp at Gilgal, and said unto him, and to the men of Israel, We be come from a far country: now therefore make ye a league with us.“

    They continued their deception by telling Joshua they heard about the glory of the Israelites God and all He had done for them in Egypt. For that cause, they wanted to be servants of the Israelites. Joshua not consulting with God made a league with them only to find out three days later these men had in fact lied to him and were neighbors. When Joshua inquired as to why they had deceived him, they stated, “Because it was certainly told thy servants, how that the LORD thy God commanded his servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you, therefore we were sore afraid of our lives because of you, and have done this thing.” This command by God is documented in Deuteronomy 20:17 and was required because He knew who these people were and they most definitely “were not of the children of Israel,” (1 Kings 9:20).

    Joshua would make yet another mistake by not consulting God first. He would state the deceivers are now cursed and will forever be the servants of Israel serving as bondsmen, servers of water and hewers of wood in the very temple of God (Joshua 9:23). Little known to Joshua, this curse would be upon the Israelites and it would remain with them from that day forward.

    Eventually, the nation of Israel was established which included all twelve tribes. However, they fell out of grace with our Father for not heeding His Words and He had the twelve tribes of Israel carried away into captivity, Judah was the last to go. In Jeremiah 24:1-7 God explains He would establish the nation Israel once again. It was described as two baskets of figs which were set before the temple of the Lord. One basket contained good figs while the other basket contained bad figs. This prophecy did not become a reality until the year of our Lord 1948 which we will discuss shortly.

    At the time of Ezra when he and the Israelites received permission to return to Israel and rebuild Jerusalem, Ezra stopped on their journey to take count of the tribes. He counted many priests but not one of them was a Livitical priest, which is to say the tribe of Levi (Ezra 8:15). Instead they were all “Nethinims” which are “temple servants,” (Strong’s word 5411) “whom David and the princes had appointed for the service of the Levites,” (Ezra 8:20). Yes, those same ones Joshua brought into the temple as servants to do the work of the Livitical priests.

    In Matthew 24:32-34, Jesus Christ gave us a parable stating, ‘when the fig tree puts forth leaves we shall know that all scripture will be fulfilled before the end of that generation.’ That generation started with the planting of the fig tree nation, the modern nation named Israel which was established May 14th 1948. The fig leaf is symbolic of Israel and its meaning goes all the way back to the Garden in Genesis where it is first mentioned. Do you have ears to hear?

    We are talking about the basket of good and bad figs from Jeremiah 24 who would lay claim to the nation of Israel. The good figs are of our Father. While the bad figs are of Satan and it is they who claim to be of the tribe of Judah but do lie.

    In John 8:32 we can witness one of the conversations Christ had with the imposter Jews where He stated, “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Christ was talking about being free from sin, but the imposter Jews responded, “We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free,” (John 8:33)? We know from Jeremiah 24 that Judah did in fact go into captivity. They are openly admitting they never went into bondage, documenting they are not of the bloodline of Judah. These are imposters who are claiming to be of the tribe of Judah as Christ warned in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

    In John 8:37 Christ would reply, “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.” The word “know” here is Strong’s word 1492 which comes from 3708 meaning, “to appear, perceive.” Christ is stating, I know you appear to be of Abraham’s seed, just as the tares appear to be of the wheat (Matthew 13:24-30, 34-43). The Words of Christ had no place in them because they are not His sheep, they are not Abraham’s seed.

    Christ then boldly told the imposter Jews, “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it,” (John 8:44).

    Christ directly called the imposter Jews children of the Devil and Cain who was the first documented murder. It does not become much clearer than that. But let us document yet another account. Turn your Bibles with me to the Words of Christ as spoken to the imposter Jews.

    Matthew 23:33
    33 “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

    “Generation” (1081) means “offspring“. Christ is boldly calling the imposter Jews offspring of Satan himself who was the serpent in the Garden of Eden (Revelation 12:9).

    34 “Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

    35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.”

    Christ just documented the imposter Jews conversing with Him are the descendants of Cain (who killed Abel) who was the offspring of Satan. It was their offspring who have killed the righteous throughout the generations of man, even unto this day.

    The imposter Jews conversing here with Christ are not of the tribe of Judah at all. Rather, they are “Kenites” which is Strong’s word 7017 meaning,

    “from H7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin: – Kenite.”
    “Kajin” is Strong’s word 7014 meaning,

    “Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: – Cain, Kenite (-s).”
    As documented, the word Kenite means children of Cain. Cain was the name of the first child and scripture documents he traveled to the land of Nod where he found a wife. The land of Nod was located east of Eden in the area we know today as the Orient, specifically modern day Mongolia. Cain’s children, the Kenites would become known as Khazars and the Orient is where they first made their appearance in recorded history. They are the money changers, some of them were even the Pharisees and scribes of the Bible, the ones who had Christ crucified and deny Him to this day. They claim to be of our brother Judah but do lie (Revelation 2:9, 3:9), they are in fact the children of Cain who was the son of Satan.

    Further, we can document the temple servants we read of earlier are none other than Cain’s children, the Kenites who were doing the scribe work for Israel.

    1 Chronicles 2:55
    55 “And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.”

    Why have we been so blind to these simple facts? Because the church was infiltrated long ago by the seed of Satan as we have documented. The Kenites have essentially placed a wall of protection around themselves built on the lie that they are God’s chosen people. After centuries of infiltration and lies imagine how polluted the church of today is! Many who try to point out these truths are called anti-Semites. This is a false term to begin with because the Kenites are not from Shem but Satan. This simply is a means to pressure people into believing their lie and it has worked wonderfully for them. Do you have eyes to see?

    Let us not forget it was the church leaders who had Christ killed. He knew their works were evil which is why He warned us, “beware of the leaven,” (Matthew 16-6:12). The leaven Christ was speaking of was the Kenites who bring in false teaching to dissuade the flock from the truth of God’s Word. This is how words like “easter” made their way into the Bible. How the word “Lucifer” was removed from the NIV Bible in Isaiah 14:12. Which leaves the Bible student confused as to which morning star we are talking about, Christ or Satan. And how Ezekiel 13:16-20 was changed from God being against those false prophets who teach the people to fly to save their souls. The NIV changed this to capturing birds which completely alters the intended meaning of the scriptures rendering them void.

    Due to the infiltration of Christianity the scriptures are no longer analyzed, instead the traditions of man are taught essentially placing a veil over the Word of God. The spiritual feeding Mainstream Christianity provides today consists of a few verses on Sunday. This has caused the flock to spiritually starve to death whereby they cannot understand the Word of God on any real level. Many Christians have no idea Satan will appear before Christ claiming to be Christ, nor do they understand how the Tribulation will unfold. The only people of the earth who will be able to recognize, stand and overcome Satan are those who ensure they have enough oil in their lamps.

    Those who claim to be of our brother Judah but do lie do not love Christ nor do they follow Him, in fact they venomously deny Christ. In John 10:1-30 Christ speaks in a parable before the Kenites, the imposter Jews. “The sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.”

    Our Shepherd is Jesus Christ and we better be able to discern His Voice over the false shepherd, the stranger who will ultimately be Satan disguised as the Lamb playing the role of Christ (Revelation 13:11).

    John 10:24-25
    24 “Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

    25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.”

    And indeed they do.

    John 10-26:27
    26 “But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

    Then “the Jews took up stones again to stone him,” (John 10:31). The imposter Jews cannot hear the Voice of Jesus because He is not their Shepherd and they are not His sheep. They would end up having Christ crucified and today they are behind the push to remove Christianity from our world.

    Christ would give another parable advising us to bear witness of our adversary’s fruits, which is to say their works.

    Matthew 7:18-19
    18 “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good

    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.“

    The “tree” is symbolic of man and the “fruit” is symbolic of the works we produce. We can reference this parable in Matthew 13:36-42 where Christ gave us the parable, tares of the field. He would explain in that parable the wheat are the children of God, while the tares are the literal flesh children of Satan who lie and claim to be our brother Judah. The wheat and the tares appear to be the same as they grow together in the field which is the world. The tares only become discernibly different when they put forth their fruit which is a vile poisonous seed. At the harvest, which is the end of this earth age, the tares will be bound and cast into the fire.

    Matthew 7:20
    20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

    This is how we can identify the enemy and verify if they are of the bloodline of Cain, by their fruit, their works. So do those who claim to be of our brother Judah put forth good fruit or evil fruit? Do they go by the name of God? In 2 Chronicles 7:14 God states, “my people, which are called by my name.” God is Christ and we are Christians.

    If you are a Christian you study the Bible and go by the name of Christ. Those who claim to be of our brother Judah and do lie study the Talmud and call their religion Judaism. The Talmud speaks nothing of Christ in a positive light, they do not accept Him as God. Yet, Christians have accepted the term Judeo-Christian which attempts to link the two religions together when they are un-linkable. Christians have once again fallen for lies and deception in these end times because they fail to seek out the scriptures for themselves, instead allowing other men to read it for them. They fail to investigate the religion claiming to be linked to Christ. For that reason Satan and his children are able to use the Christian nations to do their bidding. No wonder God would say, “my people is foolish… they have none understanding,” (Jeremiah 4:22)

    Let us now take a moment to pause and reflect on what we have learned from God’s Word in this study and what it means for us today.

    The events of our world are controlled by those who claim to be of the bloodline of Judah but do lie and are in fact the children of Cain, the Kenites, the very offspring of Satan. They are the International Bankers who control not only our money, but our governments as well. They build the foundations of our religious and education systems. They have placed Satan’s noose of bondage around our necks with usury, enslaving our nations and the people of them in debt that cannot be repaid. Usury is contrary to God. God set His people free from bondage, but His people have failed to seek out the truth in the scriptures and allowed themselves to be caught in this trap and brought back into bondage.

    Christians have allowed political correctness to reign supreme, chastising those who would teach the truth concerning those who claim to be of Judah. This has essentially built a house of protection around the Kenites, a house built by the synagogue of Satan.

    Christians allow their government to send billions of tax payer dollars to the tiny nation of Israel believing they are supporting God’s chosen people. Even though Israel displays unwarranted aggression toward their neighbors which include Syria and Iran. The most amazing fact is that it is actually the Christian nations themselves that are God’s chosen people as documented by the “everlasting covenant” God made with Abraham. Chosen to bring forth His Word to the nations of the earth whereby all could be saved.

    It is for these causes that deception runs rampant in these end times. Many often ask why “the whole world lieth in wickedness,” (1 John 5:19)? Scripture gives us that answer, because the prince of this world is Satan and his children are the rulers of it (John 12:31, Ephesians 6:10-18). In a sense, the world has already accepted the Mark of the Beast. Their lamps have run out of oil, their flame has already gone out and they have no light to shine through the dark lies of Satan and his children.

    The Bible tells us much more about this subject, we have merely rubbed the surface of it in this study. We should take note, the imposter Jews are an extremely small sect of people on a global scale. They comprise a mere .2% of the world’s population, yet they weld the greatest power and influence over the world’s economy, politics, religion and education systems. As we have learned, they weld this great force not because they are chosen by our God, but exactly the opposite. They weld this great force as they are making the way for the prince of this world who is about to be crowned king, their father, the Devil.
    http://worldeventsandthebible.com/20...who-claim.html
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    [ PHFFFT
    It's the same crap the white supremacists have been pushing for years.. It is crap..

    It is a very twisted mixmash of unrelated scriptures,, and is wrong.

    It is as wrong as the Israel First positions that the Neocons hold fast to.

    There are no inferior races.. God Created Man..
    male and female he created them.
    Noah had three sons, and those three sons are the fathers of all people on the earth today.

    The only exception to this,, are the unholy abomination made when an angel mates with a human woman.

    The last known,, roamed and ruled in Caanan. with Goliath being the last recorded to my knowledge.

    If any such abominations are still on the earth,, they have learned to conceal themselves.

    and they don't even qualify as a race,, more of an aberration.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It's the same crap the white supremacists have been pushing for years.. It is crap..

    It is a very twisted mixmash of unrelated scriptures,, and is wrong.

    It is as wrong as the Israel First positions that the Neocons hold fast to.

    There are no inferior races.. God Created Man..


    Noah had three sons, and those three sons are the fathers of all people on the earth today.

    The only exception to this,, are the unholy abomination made when an angel mates with a human woman.

    The last known,, roamed and ruled in Caanan. with Goliath being the last recorded to my knowledge.

    If any such abominations are still on the earth,, they have learned to conceal themselves.

    and they don't even qualify as a race,, more of an aberration.

    That is the message the white supremacist hijacked. I am not a racists, never have and never will be.

    There is no possible way that all the ethnic people came from two (ruddy complexion) people. I have friends who lived in Africa for 40 years and they are Caucasians.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am not a racists, never have and never will be.

    That is the message the white supremacist hijacked..
    Good..
    Then drop that like a hot turd. It was not hyjacked by them.. it was created by them,,to justify their beliefs.

    Sadly they have sold it to others.. and it shows up again.

    It is easily refuted by scripture itself..
    The Song of Solomon is refutation,, and elsewhere.
    The Church there is recorded in Acts. These are children of Ham and loved by God just as the Children of Shem or Japheth.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    The scripture above is from the KJV Bible. If you read it, there is nothing in that or the video, alluding to hate or racism or anything like that. God made the six day creation and he said it was good. God made Adam (Et ha adam) on the 8th since on the 7th he rested. Adam became the farmer.
    Respectfully, I think this view is based on misinterpretation as well as adding on to the text what is not there.

    Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are written in two completely different styles. Genesis 1 is clearly sequential. It describes what happened on each day, and in my reading of it, it's very clear that Adam was created on the sixth day.

    26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

    29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Genesis 1:26–31)


    Genesis 2 is not written in that sequential style. Also, before I continue I think it should be stated that the Bible was divided up into chapters later, but originally it was not written with chapters and verses. In my view and in the view of others, some of the chapter breaks were poorly placed. Because the beginning of Genesis 2 is actually the end of chapter 1. Unfortunately this can cause confusion, and I think this "eighth day" theory is a perfect example of that.

    The additional account of creation actually begins in verse 4, and as I said it is written in a completely different style. It is not necessarily in chronological order, and it doesn't specify days, as chapter 1 does… But it does seem to focus mostly on day 6.

    So it shouldn't be taken as a continuation of chapter 1, but a different account of creation, written in a different way, with most of the focus on the creation of Adam, the garden of Eden and the creation of Eve.
    “I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”

    ― Henry David Thoreau

  26. #52
    Posted by donnay
    Further, we can document the temple servants we read of earlier are none other than Cain’s children, the Kenites who were doing the scribe work for Israel.
    I can not see that at all.

    The Kenites are absolutely no relation to Cain. They could not possibly be,, since Cain's descendants are all dead.

    The families of scribes who lived at Jabez were the Tirathites, the Shimeathites and the Sucathites. Those are the Kenites who came from Hammath, the father of the house of Rechab.
    Kenites had nothing to do with Cain..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  27. #53
    Why We Use The King James Bible
    By: Brandon T. Ward

    If you have been a reader of this site for a while or gone through our Bible Studies you probably realize by now we love and only use the King James Version Bible (KJV). You would have also noticed we use a Strong’s Concordance in our studies.

    Many people are surprised or even offended when it is pointed out that the KJV Bible has errors. Some will offer scripture to refute those claims. One verse is, 2 Timothy 3:16 which states: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

    Another is Psalms 12:6, “The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.”

    Those are true statements. However, what the reader must understand is our Bible was not written in English. It was translated into English from the “manuscripts” which are the writings our Bibles came from.

    Did God translate the KJV Bible?

    No, it was man.

    Is man perfect?

    No.

    With that said, God’s Word, the ancient and original manuscripts are perfect, however they no longer exist. Instead we rely upon copies of the original manuscripts to make up the Bibles we all cherish today. Further, once man places his hand on the many manuscripts that are available and creates a new document through translation we can and do have errors.

    The original KJV Bible was translated in the Year of our Lord 1611. The translators were so concerned about the task they performed they wrote a lengthy letter to the reader, stating they did the best they could, but the reader should use due diligence in reading their translation. Meaning, the reader should verify the KJV Bible against the manuscripts.

    The original KJV Bible of 1611 included the Apocrypha. The KJV Bible we all read and love today was translated in the Year of our Lord 1769. Obviously, we no longer have the Apocrypha in our Bibles. Can you imagine the outrage by the reader of that time? Was the Word of God corrupted when the Apocrypha was removed?

    Letter from the Translators

    I would highly encourage you to read the letter from the translators yourself so you will have a better understanding of the KJV Bible and how it came into existence.

    Original Copy: This is the original 1611 KJV Bible Letter from the Translators.
    Link: http://library.osu.edu/innovation-pr.../item/72#nice1

    Translated Copy: The original version will be very difficult to read as it is in old English. This is a modern version of the text above.
    Link: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...troduction.php

    Why We Like the KJV Bible

    We like the KJV Bible as the Strong’s Concordance is based upon it. With both the KJV Bible and the Strong’s Concordance the reader can translate the words back to the original languages themselves. Thus performing our own due diligence as the translators recommended.

    We highly recommend the “Companion Bible” by E.W. Bullinger. This is a KJV Bible, however off to the side are the notes of Mr. Bullinger who was an outstanding scholar of the Word. This Bible also comes with 198 appendixes to aid the reader in the Word of God.

    We also recommend using a good Strong’s Concordance. Many of the newer versions are being altered and no longer reflect the original meaning of the words in the manuscripts.

    We would like to point out to our readers that you can download “E-Sword” (Bible Software) for free which includes a KJV Bible and a Strong’s Concordance.

    Why Not The NIV Bible?

    While the KJV Bible does contain errors as we have documented in several of our studies, it is still one of the best Bibles available to the english reader.

    On the other hand, the NIV Bible is riddled with errors and in my opinion, some of them are deliberate. Let’s document that.

    One example brings us to Isaiah 14:12.

    KJV – “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” – Isaiah 14:12
    Link: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...12&version=KJV

    NIV – “How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” – Isaiah 14:12
    Link: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...12&version=NIV

    Notice, in the KJV Bible it is very specific with whom we are talking about, “Lucifer”. Satan and Christ are both known as the “Morning Star” so why remove the word “Lucifer” when it makes it abundantly clear who we are discussing?

    Let us look at one more example. This time we are going to look at Ezekiel 13:16-20.

    In the KJV, God says He is against those daughters who are false prophets, who teach the people to fly to save their souls.

    In the NIV, this has been changed to capturing birds. A tremendous difference that alters the meaning of the topic at hand (I encourage the reader to cover the entire chapter to get the context).
    http://worldeventsandthebible.com/20...mes-bible.html
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  28. #54
    Genesis 4:1 couldn't be more clear. You know a doctrine is false when it directly contradicts clear scriptures and rests solely on adding to the text what is not there.

    Adam had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived, gave birth to Cain and said, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.”

    Pete is right. Look at the fruit of this doctrine. Even though (as I mentioned before) not everyone who believes it is racist, it is usually used by racists to justify racist ideas instead of viewing people as individuals.

    It also produces a very "us against them" mindset. It puts all the emphasis on the physical, which clearly contradicts other scriptures throughout the Bible. That divisive or hateful bad fruit is more evidence that this doctrine is not from God. This doctrine is a deception.
    “I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”

    ― Henry David Thoreau

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It is not commonly known because it is wholly fabricated to fit. It is not in the bible.

    This is a common trick,, to attach a known event and a fabricated one.

    it is still a lie
    That may not necessarily be true. In between the birth of Cain and Abel, you do not read "Adam knew his wife." You do read it pretty much everywhere else. This is why a lot of scholars think there is a possiblity that they could be twins.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    That may not necessarily be true. In between the birth of Cain and Abel, you do not read "Adam knew his wife." You do read it pretty much everywhere else. This is why a lot of scholars think there is a possiblity that they could be twins.
    Yes, here is an excerpt from the Matthew Henry notes.
    Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters, ch. 5:4. But Cain and Abel seem to have been the two eldest. Some think they were twins, and, as Esau and Jacob, the elder hated and the younger loved.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/resourc...en.4.1-Gen.4.2

    So what does it prove if they were twins?
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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    That may not necessarily be true. In between the birth of Cain and Abel, you do not read "Adam knew his wife." You do read it pretty much everywhere else. This is why a lot of scholars think there is a possiblity that they could be twins.
    That is only one aspect that is bent to fit. There are others.

    The idea that Cain descendants survived the Flood.

    The "Pulled out of thin air" idea that "Kenites" are somehow related to Cain.

    The whole thing is a house of badly stacked cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So what does it prove if they were twins?
    it proves footnotes can be misleading.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    it proves footnotes can be misleading.
    I have studied under some fundamental scholars who have studied the Hebrew. I don’t have an opinion one way or another—just tossing the logic out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    Respectfully, I think this view is based on misinterpretation as well as adding on to the text what is not there.

    Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are written in two completely different styles. Genesis 1 is clearly sequential. It describes what happened on each day, and in my reading of it, it's very clear that Adam was created on the sixth day.

    26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

    29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Genesis 1:26–31)


    Genesis 2 is not written in that sequential style. Also, before I continue I think it should be stated that the Bible was divided up into chapters later, but originally it was not written with chapters and verses. In my view and in the view of others, some of the chapter breaks were poorly placed. Because the beginning of Genesis 2 is actually the end of chapter 1. Unfortunately this can cause confusion, and I think this "eighth day" theory is a perfect example of that.

    The additional account of creation actually begins in verse 4, and as I said it is written in a completely different style. It is not necessarily in chronological order, and it doesn't specify days, as chapter 1 does… But it does seem to focus mostly on day 6.

    So it shouldn't be taken as a continuation of chapter 1, but a different account of creation, written in a different way, with most of the focus on the creation of Adam, the garden of Eden and the creation of Eve.
    Okay, what Bible do you use?

    Do you believe all the ethnic people came from two people?
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