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    And there was war in heaven:

    And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    When?

    It is the last book in the bible. Some think it is yet to happen. That it is sometime in the future.

    I believe it was the beginning.

    Satan has been here the whole time from the Garden and after corrupting everything he can.

    Isiah 27:1
    In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
    Isiah speaks of his ending. He was here in Christs time.

    and we are supposed to be wearing armor.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    I'm with you... I believe it happened in the past and thus he was able to offer all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus.

    Matthew 4:8-9 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor; 9 and he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me." NRS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I'm with you... I believe it happened in the past and thus he was able to offer all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus.
    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
    "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

    And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
    and more,, scripture seems clear that he is here presently.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    and more,, scripture seems clear that he is here presently.
    Yes, presently, this is his world.

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    A long read but well worth it.

    Who Is The Antichrist?

    BRANDON T. WARD

    Who is the Antichrist? This is an extremely important question for these end times. If you do not understand who the antichrist is, you are already setup for deception.

    The antichrist (not the “type” as spoken of in John) will not be born in the flesh. The antichrist is a supernatural being who will be cast out of heaven onto earth by Michael the archangel. The antichrist will claim to be Jesus Christ. The antichrist is Satan himself.

    Let us now remove the veil of darkness and confusion that has clouded this topic and shed the light of God’s Word onto it whereby we can remove all doubt.

    Before we start our Bible study, let us ask our Father for wisdom and understanding of His Word, in Jesus Name amen.

    First, let us take the word “antichrist.” “Anti” is word 473 in your Strong’s Concordance and it means “opposite” or “instead”. Instead of what? Instead of “Christ” (5547: anointed, the Messiah). So we need to understand Satan is the false messiah who appears first “instead” of Jesus Christ.

    With that having been said please turn your Bible to,

    Revelation 12:7
    7 “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,”

    This verse describes the powers of heaven being shaken (Matthew 24:29), which occurs when Michael and his angels fight against the Dragon and his angels. The Dragon mentioned here is Satan himself which we will document shortly. This is when Satan is cast out of heaven and will physically appear here on earth claiming to be Jesus Christ. Pay close attention here! Satan does not arrive alone, he is kicked out with his angels.

    Revelation 12:8
    8 “And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.”

    Satan and his angels are officially cast from heaven onto earth. This is the start of the Tribulation, which is a time of trial, a test to see who will stand with God and against, “The Instead of Christ,” who is Satan.

    Revelation 12:9
    9 “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

    This should make it very clear who we are talking about at this point. God gives us several of Satan’s names so we are not confused. Do not read over that verse, Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven. So not only will Satan who is supernatural be present on earth, but so shall his fallen angels who are supernatural as well. Their goal is to deceive the whole world, to make the inhabitants of the earth believe that Satan and his angels are Jesus Christ and His angels who have come to restore the Kingdom of Heaven. But it is a lie!

    Revelation 13:1
    1 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

    Now understand in the book of Revelation there are two different beasts described. Stick to God’s Word and it will make complete sense. This first Beast spoken of here is Satan’s Governmental Beast, the future One World Government (Note: The waters in this book are people, Revelation 17:15).

    Revelation 13:11
    11 “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”

    We now have a second beast who is Satan, remember he is the Dragon of Revelation 12:9. We are told he has two horns like a lamb, but speaks as a Dragon. The Dragon gives the first Governmental Beast “his power, and his seat, and great authority” (Revelation 13:2).

    Satan is coming as the antichrist, “The Instead of Christ” as we learned earlier. He possess supernatural powers and will be exceedingly convincing. So much so he will deceive the world making them believe he is the lamb as Jesus Christ is the Lamb that was slain on the cross for our sins.

    We must comprehend the fact that Satan is an imitator, he has copied the majority of Christ’s names. Satan will be imitating Christ in order to deceive the whole world into believing that not only has God returned to the earth, but He has brought His Kingdom as well (Revelation 12:9, II Thessalonians 2:4). When in reality that kingdom (Governmental Beast) will be led by Satan (Dragon) and his fallen angels. As 2 Corinthians 11:14 documents, “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” This word “transformed” is Strong’s word 3345 and it means “disguised”. Satan comes disguised as an angel of light, disguised as the very Lamb of God. Satan has always wanted to be God as we will document later in this study.

    Satan is “deception” therefore he has many different names and titles. In the book of Daniel he is known as the “little horn” and the “vile one” to name a few. In Revelation he is known as the “beast”, “dragon” and the “false prophet” which we will finish documenting shortly.

    Speaking of deception, do not be fooled into picturing Satan as a red colored beast with horns and a pitch fork. God’s Word describes Satan as perfect in beauty Ezekiel 28:12-19.

    Revelation 13:12
    12 “And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”

    The Dragon accomplishes this through deception with his supernatural abilities, he is the one who heals the wound of the Beast Governmental System (Revelation 13:3-4).

    Revelation 13:13
    13 “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,”

    Friends, no man can do this. If you are expecting a man claiming to be God you will be deceived. Not only will Satan act like Jesus, but he will exercise supernatural powers which are sure to make men bow before him due to their ignorance of God’s Word. Satan accomplishes these miracles IN THE SIGHT OF MEN. Not in secret, we all will witness these events.

    Revelation 13:14
    14 “And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.”

    Pay close attention here. God’s Word will document very easily Satan is the “false prophet”. How did the Dragon deceive the world? By the miracles that he had power to do in the sight of the beast. With that thought let us turn to,

    Revelation 19:20
    20 “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

    This is describing exactly what we just learned in Revelation 13:13-14, only we are given the role of Satan in this chapter rather than his name, the Dragon. These are in fact the same entities, they are just given different names for the different roles Satan plays. If you did not catch it, read it again, this is extremely important!

    Satan wrought these miracles before the entire world and deceived the inhabitants of the earth by these miracles. This account in Revelation 19:20 occurs right after the Tribulation when Christ is present on earth. The “Beast” (Satan’s One World Governmental System) and the “false prophet” (Satan’s Antichrist role) are now cast into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 20:10
    10 “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

    This verse transpires after the 1000 year millennium with Christ when Satan will be loosened from the pit for the last time. However, he cannot use the Beast (Governmental System) role or the “False Prophet” role . Why? We will all know Jesus Christ during the millennium and we will behold Satan bound in the pit with a seal upon him (Revelation. 20:1-3). Those roles will be useless to him as everyone will know exactly who he is. Those roles only serve as a way to deceive the nations of the world. During the time of the millennium there will be no deception.

    To further our study, let us turn to II Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 1…

    II Thessalonians 2:1
    1 “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,”

    Our topic here is the return of Jesus Christ and our gathering back unto Him.

    II Thessalonians 2:2
    2 “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”

    Paul is explaining here, do not be confused by our previous letter to you (I Thessalonians) concerning the return of the Lord.

    II Thessalonians 2:3
    3 “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

    What day shall not come? The day of the Lord, His return, shall not happen until there is a falling away and the “man of sin”, the “son of perdition” is revealed. Let us analyze this.

    What is this falling away? “Falling away” is Strong’s word 646 and it means “defection from truth.” Now who is this “son of perdition”? It is none other than Satan himself! “Perdition” means to “perish”, to “die”. Satan is the only entity that has been condemned to death by name, Ezekiel 28:18-19, Revelation 17:8 and Revelation 20:10. Who is the “man of sin”? It is Satan, why would he be called this?

    Isaiah 14:12-13
    12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”

    13 “For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:”

    The stars of God are God’s children (Job 38:7). Satan will proceed to setup his throne over God’s children and rule over them during the Tribulation.

    Isaiah 14:14
    14 “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.“

    Satan will disguise himself as God as we learned in 2 Corinthians 11:14.

    Isaiah 14:15-16
    15 “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”

    16 “They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;”

    This verse occurs during the millennium when Satan is locked in the bottomless pit and no longer has influence over anyone.

    Satan’s sin was that he wanted to be God. He was not content enough protecting the very Mercy Seat (Ezekiel 28:14-17) he wanted more, he wanted to sit on the throne of God, to be God. He will NEVER be God, but he will come claiming to be God and exhibit supernatural powers.

    As you can see from verse 16, God Himself stated, “is this the man” with reference to Lucifer who is Satan. So there is no reason for us to further translate what God has said. It should no longer be a mystery to you as to whom the “man of sin” truly is. Remember, Satan has many names, it is up to you, the student of the Bible to seek them out so you will not be spun into his web of deception.

    With that said, Jesus will not return until there is a “falling away from truth” and Satan arrives claiming to be Christ. Why would there be a falling away from truth? When Satan is cast to earth he will play Jesus, many will buy into his deception and think he really is Christ!

    Let us continue…

    II Thessalonians 2:4
    4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”

    This truly should nail it for you! Who are we talking about here? The “man of sin” the “son of perdition” who is none other than Satan. He is acting as Jesus Christ, he claims to be God himself! We just learned from Isaiah 14 that Satan wanted to be like God. Soon he will imitate God, playing his role as Christ on earth showing “signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the Elect” (Mark 13:22).

    The “abomination of desolation” as spoken by Daniel the prophet will be reality at this time. Daniel also proclaimed that Satan comes in peaceably and prosperously, not by war, but by “peace he shall destroy many” (Daniel 8:24-25, 11:21). If you are expecting war when Satan touches the earth you will be deceived. Remember, he is playing Christ.

    II Thessalonians 2:5
    5 “Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?”

    Paul is saying I told you all of this already, remember?

    II Thessalonians 2:6
    6 “And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.”

    Who might be revealed? Satan.

    II Thessalonians 2:7
    7 “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”

    The mystery of iniquity abounded in Paul’s time which was 2,000 years ago. Just look around today and see how it has grown and encompassed the entire world with deception. In essence the mark of the beast is already in effect. Satan was crowned as prince of this world centuries ago, now he is about to be crowned king and god of this world (John 12:31).

    The subject in this verse is still Satan. As we learned from Revelation 12:7, Michael holds Satan in heaven and he will be the one who casts him out. That is what we are talking about here. He who letteth, (he who holds Satan) will let (will continue to hold Satan) until he (Michael) steps back and lets Satan loose.

    II Thessalonians 2:8
    8 “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:”

    That Wicked one, Satan, will be revealed to the Saints immediately when he is cast from heaven by Michael. The rest of the world who has been deceived will not recognize him as the false messiah until the end of the Tribulation.

    II Thessalonians 2:9
    9 “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,”

    Paul just connected the dots of verse three for you where it refers to the “man of sin”, the “son of perdition” which is in fact Satan who will show himself that he is God as verse four states.

    The verses from Isaiah connect the dots that Satan is the Antichrist which simply means, “The Instead of Christ”. He has always wanted to be God and he will get his opportunity to play God for a short season “with all signs and lying wonders”. Take note, Jesus does not appear in any form whatsoever until AFTER Satan has come here to deceive. Who is the antichrist? It should be clear to you by now, Satan is in fact, the Antichrist. Satan is not a man, he was never born in the flesh and never will be.

    In closing, if we read from God’s Word with understanding we can come to understand all things. When we are told of a Biblical “truth,” we need to take it and see if it holds true in God’s Word before we tuck it into our minds as fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    That cult website is wrong. John said there were Antichrist s.... With an s. Not just one. And he said they were already in the world at the time he wrote his letter.

    An Antichrist is anyone who denies that Jesus came in the flesh. The gnostics of John's time denied this. So John was arguing against the proto Gnosticism of his day.

    That's all. There is no guy with horns that is going to come and carve numbers into people's foreheads. That's just unbiblical end times buffoonery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post

    That's all. There is no guy with horns that is going to come and carve numbers into people's foreheads. That's just unbiblical end times buffoonery.
    There are all manner of timeline theories.. But The Revelation of John is not unbiblical end times buffoonery.
    it is the end time revealed.

    Likely why others of your ilk tried to ban it.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    There are all manner of timeline theories.. But The Revelation of John is not unbiblical end times buffoonery.
    it is the end time revealed.

    Likely why others of your ilk tried to ban it.
    Huh? Who is my ilk? Who tried to "ban" it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Huh? Who is my ilk? Who tried to "ban" it?
    Book Banners.(truth hiders)
    They ban what they do not want..because it does not fit their ideas.

    so they make it go away.
    They tried to Remove the Revelation of John.. and thankfully failed.
    But they did try.
    You seem to have an aversion to it as well.. and don''t like what it says.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Book Banners.(truth hiders)
    They ban what they do not want..because it does not fit their ideas.

    so they make it go away.
    They tried to Remove the Revelation of John.. and thankfully failed.
    But they did try.
    You seem to have an aversion to it as well.. and don''t like what it says.
    Who did? And why are they my ilk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Who did? And why are they my ilk?
    Well, You don't like and dispute/disparage the Revelation of John. as did those that banned books in the past.

    and I find that quite interesting,, as it was one of the things that spurred me to read Enoch.

    The similarities are striking. but not surprising as they were visions of the same place. and deal with same subjects.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    The Book of Revelation, often called the Revelation to John, the Apocalypse of John, The Revelation, or simply Revelation or Apocalypse
    The revelation from Jesus Christ
    The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
    Seriously,, this was one they wanted to remove it from cannon,,with the many others they removed.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    The Book of Revelation, often called the Revelation to John, the Apocalypse of John, The Revelation, or simply Revelation or Apocalypse
    The revelation from Jesus Christ


    Seriously,, this was one they wanted to remove it from cannon,,with the many others they removed.
    What canon? Whose canon?

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    And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    Witnesses..give testimony at trial.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Witnesses..give testimony at trial.
    Huh?



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    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    Dividing the sheep from the goats. and Righteous Judgement..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Huh?
    "just unbiblical end times buffoonery" according to you.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

    When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

    “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
    Seven churches. and an angel of each church.

    well that would be tough to fit into some theologies. I bet it is ignored where it is not welcomed.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Seven churches. and an angel of each church.

    well that would be tough to fit into some theologies. I bet it is ignored where it is not welcomed.
    Yes, that is correct.

    Jesus was please with two out of the 7. Smyrna (Revelation 2) and Philadelphia (Revelation 3). They both taught about the Kenites and the Synagogue of Satan as was prefaced in John 8:44.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yes, that is correct.

    Jesus was please with two out of the 7. Smyrna (Revelation 2) and Philadelphia (Revelation 3). They both taught about the Kenites and the Synagogue of Satan as was prefaced in John 8:44.
    aside from the direct connection to actual churches at the time,,
    I have heard this applied to Local churches,,, and as an individual lesson..
    I have used it that way myself. and it is a good self check.

    Something to meditate on.

    Also is an "apparent" paradox.. One Church and seven churches.
    Makes the "one true Church" argument a little messy.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
    This will become more apparent.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yes, that is correct.

    Jesus was please with two out of the 7. Smyrna (Revelation 2) and Philadelphia (Revelation 3). They both taught about the Kenites and the Synagogue of Satan as was prefaced in John 8:44.
    Revelation says nothing about "Kenites".

    and that is how that insidious teaching infects the whole. Putting things in where they are not.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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