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    Trump Signs Surveillance Extension Into Law

    https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/01...nsion-into-law

    President Trump took to Twitter this afternoon to announce that he has signed a six-year renewal of a powerful government surveillance tool. "Just signed 702 Bill to authorize foreign intelligence collection," Trump tweeted. "This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election. I will always do the right thing for our country and put the safety of the American people first!" The Hill reports:

    Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which the Senate voted to renew with a few small tweaks this week, allows the U.S. to spy on foreigners overseas. The intelligence community says the program is a critical tool in identifying and disrupting terror plots. But the broader surveillance law, which governs U.S. spying on foreigners, has become politically entangled with the controversy over the federal investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia. Some Republicans have claimed that the FBI inappropriately obtained a politically motivated FISA warrant to spy on Trump during the transition and on Friday, Capitol Hill was consumed with speculation about a four-page memo produced by House Intelligence Committee Republicans that some GOP lawmakers hinted contained evidence of such wrongdoing.
    Yeah, way to continue making things unbetter.
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    He may intend to use it against his enemies and get rid of it later but that is a BAD idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/01...nsion-into-law



    Yeah, way to continue making things unbetter.
    Did you even read what you posted? It is better. Maybe not Ron Paul better, but it's indeed better than what Obama passed.

    Taxes are lower, spending is down and regulations are fewer. We have a more pro-Constitutional Supreme Court. More Constitutional Judges everywhere at the Federal level.

    That is the DEFINITION of better. Perfect? Far from it. But you might want to lookup what the definition of "better" is in the dictionary..
    Last edited by dannno; 01-19-2018 at 05:00 PM.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Did you even read what you posted? It is better. Maybe not Ron Paul better, but it's indeed better than what Obama passed.
    I did. Trouble is that any time a tool is built to be used against an "enemy", that same tool inevitably is always used to control its own citizens. This did absolutely nothing to prevent those tools from being either created or used. It only temporarily isnt enabling unlimited surveillance on us, but the more damaging thing is that the infrastructure will be in place for Trumps replacement to come in, and with the flip of a pen, have all that spy tech turned directly against the American people.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Did you even read what you posted? It is better. Maybe not Ron Paul better, but it's indeed better than what Obama passed.
    It could have been HUUUGELY better if he had VETOED IT.

    HE DIDN'T, THERE IS NO DEFENDING HIM ON THIS.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    I did. Trouble is that any time a tool is built to be used against an "enemy", that same tool inevitably is always used to control its own citizens. This did absolutely nothing to prevent those tools from being either created or used. It only temporarily isnt enabling unlimited surveillance on us, but the more damaging thing is that the infrastructure will be in place for Trumps replacement to come in, and with the flip of a pen, have all that spy tech turned directly against the American people.
    You're really having to twist your words and presume the future to dictate your conclusion.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It could have been HUUUGELY better if he had VETOED IT.

    HE DIDN'T, THERE IS NO DEFENDING HIM ON THIS.
    I'm defending him in that what was passed was better than what we had before. That's it. I like things when they are better, than when they are worse. Things have been going in the wrong direction for decades or more. To see things going in the correct direction, for once, is refreshing, and I am grateful. Let's keep it up and not sabotage it all.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I'm defending him in that what was passed was better than what we had before. That's it. I like things when they are better, than when they are worse. Things have been going in the wrong direction for decades or more. To see things going in the correct direction, for once, is refreshing, and I am grateful. Let's keep it up and not sabotage it all.
    Dump just made things a little worse than they could have been if he had vetoed it, when we are discussing his presidency in general I will take your view but when discussing this specific action I won't, in this case Dump had a decision to make that nobody else had any power over, he could veto it and the worst that could happen would have been an override that gave us the same outcome but that probably wouldn't have the votes it needed or he could sign it and be responsible for not blocking it.

    He chose poorly.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You're really having to twist your words and presume the future to dictate your conclusion.
    Not really, its the same thing every leader before Trump has done, what Trump is doing, and what will continue on long after Trump, if we even still have a country... Topic itself doesnt seem to matter either. War. Tax Reform / Money. Healthcare. Education. We just continue our same trends and occasionally change actors but ALWAYS spit shine something bad as something good.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Frodo promised to throw the ring away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Did you even read what you posted? It is better. Maybe not Ron Paul better, but it's indeed better than what Obama passed.
    Amash says the opposite.
    The #FISA702 bill you signed is much WORSE than the FISA law allegedly abused during the election. The FISA law you mention requires probable cause and a warrant. #FISA702 authorizes unconstitutional, warrantless spying on Americans. Your action puts everyone’s privacy at risk.

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump









    Just signed 702 Bill to reauthorize foreign intelligence collection. This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election. I will always do the right thing for our country and put the safety of the American people first!
    https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...69071399112705
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    God damn advisers..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    How it should have ended



    How it did



    Or was it this?



    ^%$&^%$&^%&^#&^ indoctrination.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 01-19-2018 at 06:39 PM.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Is he wrong, how? You are the one saying it's better, he gave a specific reason he thinks it's worse.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Is he wrong, how? You are the one saying it's better, he gave a specific reason he thinks it's worse.
    Trump's advisers.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump's advisers.
    Oh, so it is worse than Obama's?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    MAGA baby!
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Oh, so it is worse than Obama's?
    According to Massie it is, but there are probably some pros and cons on both sides. Wouldn't mind hearing Rand's take, obviously he was against it tho.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Only "the best" he's surrounded himself with.

    In unrelated news, rumor has it that Syria Powerpoint for Trump was prepared by anti-corruption, anti-nepotism, anti-money laundering champion Javanka.
    His goals and our goals are not exactly the same, but there is a substantial amount of overlap compared to our true enemies.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Did you even read what you posted? It is better. Maybe not Ron Paul better, but it's indeed better than what Obama passed.

    Taxes are lower...
    Deficits are up, and inflation is also a tax. Look at the big picture and you'll see that, including the inflation tax and the higher state taxes because states are getting less of our federal taxes back, taxes are up.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ...spending is down...
    Are you sure? Because offen--er, I mean defense spending is nearly half of federal expenditures, and that's up.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ...and regulations are fewer.
    A decrease in the rate of increase is not the same as a cut. This applies to the total number of regulations as surely as it applies to taxes and spending.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    We have a more pro-Constitutional Supreme Court. More Constitutional Judges everywhere at the Federal level.
    I've heard that before, like when Reagan was in office. Time did not always bear that out.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That is the DEFINITION of better. Perfect? Far from it. But you might want to lookup what the definition of "better" is in the dictionary..
    Actually, that's the definition of many things--false hope, sucker moves, the appearance of change without the substance--but "better" is not one of those words. And then there's this inconvenient little fact:

    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    And he has actually read the bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    His goals and our goals are not exactly the same, but there is a substantial amount of overlap compared to our true enemies.
    Are you talking about his stated goals? Or have you added 'being a psychic' to the impressive list of accomplishments which make you such a legend in your own mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    God damn advisers..
    So what you're saying is, he's our best hope to beat the Deep State at Star Trek Chess, but he can't even beat the people he hired and has the power to fire at that same game?

    Well. You've certainly reassured me.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 01-19-2018 at 07:39 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    The Devil is always hidden in the details. Although the text of the article I posted in the OP indicates a bias towards this surveillance bill being a "good thing", the real and probably gory details are in the parts we are not reading, the actual text of the bill, now LAW itself.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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    Trump Signs Warrantless Spying Bill Into Law

    As we all know, Congress recently passed the FISA bill, over only a handful of objections (Rand, Amash, Massie, etc).

    All that remained was for Trump to sign it, which he did earlier today.

    U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said he signed into law a bill renewing the National Security Agency’s warrantless internet surveillance program, sealing a defeat for digital privacy advocates. “Just signed 702 Bill to reauthorize foreign intelligence collection,” Trump wrote on Twitter, referring to legislation passed by the U.S. Congress that extends Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The law renews for six years and with minimal changes the National Security Agency (NSA) program, which gathers information from foreigners overseas but incidentally collects an unknown amount of communications belonging to Americans. The measure easily passed the U.S. House of Representatives last week despite mixed signals posted on Twitter by Trump and narrowly avoided a filibuster in the Senate earlier this week that split party lines. The measure had drawn opposition from a coalition of privacy-minded Democrats and libertarian Republicans. In his tweet on Friday, Trump attempted to clarify why he signed the bill despite repeating an unsubstantiated claim that his Democratic predecessor, Barack Obama, ordered intelligence agencies to eavesdrop on Trump’s 2016 Republican presidential campaign. “This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election,” Trump wrote. “I will always do the right thing for our country and put the safety of the American people first!”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F82MK

    Amash responds:

    The #FISA702 bill you signed is much WORSE than the FISA law allegedly abused during the election. The FISA law you mention requires probable cause and a warrant. #FISA702 authorizes unconstitutional, warrantless spying on Americans. Your action puts everyone’s privacy at risk.
    https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    EDIT: oops, didn't see the earlier thread
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 01-20-2018 at 12:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post

    Are you sure? Because offen--er, I mean defense spending is nearly half of federal expenditures, and that's up.
    Ya, spending decreased, somebody here posted the figures recently I think it was AF.


    A decrease in the rate of increase is not the same as a cut. This applies to the total number of regulations as surely as it applies to taxes and spending.
    Regulations have been decreased, effectively, within the economy, the cost to the economy and otherwise, there is no doubt about that.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Isn't that the law that enabled Obama to spy on him? why in the world would he sign that? wait a minute, unless maybe, just maybe the whole adversarial relation with the democrat played up to the hilt in the MSM and fake alt media is all a fake.

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    Dont worry, any spying on Americans is incidental and totally not intentional at all
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  33. #29
    Good guys have nothing to hide from data miners anyway.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Good guys have nothing to hide from data miners anyway.
    Exactly. I know I feel safer, knowing that they are incidentally spying on several people on this forum
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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