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    Communism “Very Similar” to Christianity, Putin Claims

    The communist ideology responsible for the slaughter of more than 100 million people and the enslavement of billions over the last century is “very similar” to Christianity, claimed Russian strongman Vladimir Putin. The bizarre remarks, first reported by Kremlin-backed broadcaster RT, also suggested that the ideology of communism could be found throughout the Bible — an idea ridiculed by mainstream Christian theologians who view the murderous “ideology” as practically the antithesis of biblical morality. Finally, Putin likened mass-murdering dictator Vladimir Lenin's dead body lying in Moscow's Red Square to the veneration of Christian saints.
    “Communist ideology is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, brotherhood, justice — everything is laid out in the Holy Scripture, it’s all there,” Putin claimed in an interview for the Russian documentary Valaam, parts of which were broadcast on Kremlin-owned television station Russia 1. “And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it’s just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, nothing new was invented.” While acknowledging that during “those years of militant atheism,” “priests were eradicated” and “churches destroyed,” Putin claimed a “new religion was being created.”

    Acknowledging that some people “might dislike” his remarks, the former KGB chief said “faith has always accompanied us, becoming stronger every time our country, our people, have been through hard times.” The “new religion” Putin referred to being created during those times was presumably whatever perverted form of “Christianity” and “communism” the Russian leader claims to believe resemble each other. There is some truth to his remarks, though — at least in Russia. After attempting to eradicate Christianity and the Russian Orthodox Church with barbarism, murder, and torture — and failing — the mass-murdering Soviet KGB that Putin served decided, instead, to try to hijack and neutralize the church.
    That hijacking extends all the way to the Russian Orthodox Church's present-day leadership. In 2009, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev, known today as Metropolitan Kirill, was chosen to serve as the “Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia,” the highest position of authority in the Russian Orthodox Church. Metropolitan Kirill took over after the death of Patriarch Alexy II, who led the ROC from 1990. Prior to his post at the head of the ROC, he was a longtime KGB agent code-named Drozdov, or “Blackbird.” All three of the candidates to replace Alexy II were also reliably identified as agents of the KGB/FSB, including Metropolitan Kirill, who ultimately got the job.
    “According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei),” explained Russia expert David Satter, a former Moscow correspondent for the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal, in a 2009 article for Forbes. “This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies.” With Putin and Kirill both tracing their careers back to the murderous KGB, their public affinity for each other should hardly be considered surprising.
    While the ROC is officially celebrated in Putin's Russia today, other Christian denominations have not fared so well. Under the guise of targeting “extremism,” the Kremlin has been cracking down on protestants, evangelicals, and more. In 2016, Moscow even adopted a law purporting to ban Christian evangelism anywhere outside of church buildings registered with the state. The law also purports to ban house churches and requires that missionaries seek and obtain government permits. A wide range of other draconian restrictions have also been imposed. And they have been widely condemned by Christians across Russia and around the world.
    In an open letter, Russia’s Baptist Council of Churches, for example, wrote that the new religion regime would “create conditions for the repression of all Christians.” “Any person who mentions their religious view or reflections out loud or puts them in writing, without the relevant documents, could be accused of illegal missionary activity,” the Baptist Council warned. In an open letter to Putin, Sergei Ryakhovsky, head of the Protestant Churches of Russia, warned of even more terrifying implications. “Soviet history shows us how many people of different faiths have been persecuted for spreading the Word of God,” he said. “This law brings us back to that shameful past.”
    If a communist-inspired, counterfeit Christianity is what the Kremlin wants, it even comes complete with its own “saint.” And in his comments, Putin literally equated putting the dead body of savage mass murderer Lenin on display in the heart of Moscow with certain Christian churches venerating their saints and martyrs. “Look, Lenin was put in a mausoleum. How is this different from the relics of saints for Orthodox Christians and just for Christians?” Putin asked, neglecting to mention that Christian saints served God and their fellow men while the bloodthirsty tyrant slaughtered his victims by the millions. “When they say that there's no such tradition in Christianity, well, go to Athos and take a look, there are relics of the saints there, and we have holy relics here.”

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    EXCEPT for that murdering hundreds of MILLIONS of people to get your way part...
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    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    WTH? Always said Putin was still a KGB guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    WTH? Always said Putin was still a KGB guy.
    Once an evil , murdering ,thieving KGB Commie , always an evil , murdering , thieving KGB Commie .

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    Plenty of leftists here who say the same thing.

    And are they wrong?

    Clearly, wealth and comfort are frowned upon by Christ, which is what free market capitalism brings to more people, more effectively than top down big brotherism.


    Michael Moore: Christianity and socialism are the ‘same thing’

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/1...the-same-thing

    Oct 27, 2016 5:19 pm

    Filmmaker Michael Moore says being a Christian is the “same thing” as being a socialist.

    Appearing on MSNBC’s “Hardball” with Chris Matthews on Wednesday, the liberal activist, who says he voted for self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) for president in the Democratic primary, defended his decision to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election. (Relevant portion begins around the 2:45 mark):

    “You don’t understand what’s going to happen after 2016. These young people, these 18- to 35-year-olds — remember there’s 3 million more 18-year-old voters every single year — so by the next election that’s 12 million more of them,” Moore said. “They favor socialism over capitalism.”

    Matthews interrupted, pointing out that “Hillary’s not a socialist.”

    Moore responded: “Well, she’s a Christian, so it’s the same thing.”

    “It’s all about making sure everyone has a seat at the table and the pie is divided so that everybody gets a slice,” Moore added. “Isn’t that what Christianity is? That’s what she’s about.”

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    Compare and contrast. Most religions do share something in common with socialism and communism. They are belief systems. They often fill the role of "government" in creating law and punishment (despite claims of separation of church and state). They all want global dominion. Those are some comparisons.
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    Legalized Christianity.

    Government approved Religion.

    The error of Nimrod,, and in my opinion, an error that began in Rome (or at that time) and has continued.
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    The New Testament, without going into details, gives us a pretty clear hint of what a fully Christian society would be like . . .a Christian society would be what we now call Leftist . . .If there were such a society in existence and you or I visited it, I think we should come away with a curious impression. We should feel that its economic life was very socialistic and, in that sense, ‘advanced,’ but that its family life and its code of manners were rather old fashioned - C S Lewis Mere Christianity
    I on the other hand have always thought that was probable, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be one where people voluntarily decided to commune together in collective economy. His definition and the Coercive Socialism are quite different I like to believe.
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    New American. C'mon. This is about the worst right wing source you could cite. Putin is playing to what the old (likely voters) Russians want to hear. "A recent poll by the Levada Centre showed the country is split down the middle in terms of support for Lenin’s burial. The poll showed 41 per cent favoured a formal burial, 41 per cent opposed and 18 per cent could not make up their minds." Souce
    I'm NOT a Putin fan, but at least get get the facts without bull$#@!.
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    Stories like this make me wonder whether the JBS is controlled opposition.

    I like guys like Joel Skousen, who are big JBSers, but they can't break the cold war model that all communism comes from Russia and that they are bent on attacking us.

    They should focus on the communists here and in western Europe.

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    I must have missed the part in the bible where Jesus threatened peoples lives with force if they did not give tribute to the state for the good of the people.
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    Ideologically they're similar, that's fair, and one reason I'll have nothing to do with it. Jon Hus and other heretics are forerunners of progressives; socialism is just Christianity w/o a God. A great book on the development of progressivism, socialism, and Utopias for the inquiring is Igor Shafarevich's The Socialist Phenomenon.

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    Putin is right. The communist ideology and thoroughgoing statism has infected the Orthodox church. It's now the state church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Plenty of leftists here who say the same thing.

    And are they wrong?

    Clearly, wealth and comfort are frowned upon by Christ, which is what free market capitalism brings to more people, more effectively than top down big brotherism.


    Michael Moore: Christianity and socialism are the ‘same thing’

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/1...the-same-thing

    Oct 27, 2016 5:19 pm

    Filmmaker Michael Moore says being a Christian is the “same thing” as being a socialist.

    Appearing on MSNBC’s “Hardball” with Chris Matthews on Wednesday, the liberal activist, who says he voted for self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) for president in the Democratic primary, defended his decision to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election. (Relevant portion begins around the 2:45 mark):

    “You don’t understand what’s going to happen after 2016. These young people, these 18- to 35-year-olds — remember there’s 3 million more 18-year-old voters every single year — so by the next election that’s 12 million more of them,” Moore said. “They favor socialism over capitalism.”

    Matthews interrupted, pointing out that “Hillary’s not a socialist.”

    Moore responded: “Well, she’s a Christian, so it’s the same thing.”

    “It’s all about making sure everyone has a seat at the table and the pie is divided so that everybody gets a slice,” Moore added. “Isn’t that what Christianity is? That’s what she’s about.”
    Christ ASKS his followers to VOLUNTARILY care for the POOR, communism FORCES you to hand over EVERYTHING to the STATE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Ideologically they're similar, that's fair, and one reason I'll have nothing to do with it. Jon Hus and other heretics are forerunners of progressives; socialism is just Christianity w/o a God. A great book on the development of progressivism, socialism, and Utopias for the inquiring is Igor Shafarevich's The Socialist Phenomenon.
    That's not true. Socialism has its god, it's man in the state. Man is the final authority. Atheism is the source of the evils of statism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post

    The error of Nimrod,, and in my opinion, an error that began in Rome (or at that time) and has continued.
    I'm more inclined to think it was by design. But yes, it has continued to this day....as we can see. :-/


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Christ ASKS his followers to VOLUNTARILY care for the POOR, communism FORCES you to hand over EVERYTHING to the STATE.
    Exactly what I was going to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    New American. C'mon. This is about the worst right wing source you could cite. Putin is playing to what the old (likely voters) Russians want to hear. "A recent poll by the Levada Centre showed the country is split down the middle in terms of support for Lenin’s burial. The poll showed 41 per cent favoured a formal burial, 41 per cent opposed and 18 per cent could not make up their minds." Souce
    I'm NOT a Putin fan, but at least get get the facts without bull$#@!.
    Nothing in the article you cited absolves Putin of promoting communism.

    Wednesday, 05 July 2017 Russia to Host Major Internat'l Communist Youth Festival — on Putin’s Instructions

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/26405-russia-to-host-major-international-communist-youth-festival-on-putin-s-personal-instructions
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Stories like this make me wonder whether the JBS is controlled opposition.

    I like guys like Joel Skousen, who are big JBSers, but they can't break the cold war model that all communism comes from Russia and that they are bent on attacking us.

    They should focus on the communists here and in western Europe.
    They do.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Putin is right. The communist ideology and thoroughgoing statism has infected the Orthodox church. It's now the state church.
    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nothing in the article you cited absolves Putin of promoting communism.

    Wednesday, 05 July 2017 Russia to Host Major Internat'l Communist Youth Festival — on Putin’s Instructions

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/world...l-instructions
    So you just cite the New American AGAIN? PUH-LEEZE! LOLOL (doubling down doesn't make it more credible, fyi. I still don't particularly like Putin, but I like credible sources if/when I go after him.)
    Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 01-18-2018 at 03:01 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    So you just cite the New American AGAIN? PUH-LEEZE! LOLOL (doubling down doesn't make it more credible, fyi)
    And you fail to debate the merits of the story again.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    That's not true. Socialism has its god, it's man in the state. Man is the final authority. Atheism is the source of the evils of statism.
    Don't confuse terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Putin is right. The communist ideology and thoroughgoing statism has infected the Orthodox church. It's now the state church.
    Ronin Truth must have accidentally logged on this account.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And you fail to debate the merits of the story again.
    I don't know that the story actually has merit, considering the source. Rather like how I won't seriously engage an article from one of those tabloids that run stories about aliens and bigfoot.
    Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 01-18-2018 at 04:10 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I don't know that the story actually has merit, considering the source. Rather like how I won't seriously engage an article from one of those tabloids that run stories about aliens and bigfoot.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Ronin Truth must have accidentally logged on this account.
    LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I think you don't know what that means. Demanding a credible source for information isn't the same thing as denying said information is true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I think you don't know what that means. Demanding a credible source for information isn't the same thing as denying said information is true.
    Pretending a source isn't credible because you don't like what it has to say is willing ignorance.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pretending a source isn't credible because you don't like what it has to say is willing ignorance.
    No, But I can reject the premise on the basis of History.

    The Russian Church and Russian State predated communism.
    Christianity Predated Communism

    Any alleged similarity comes from borrowing from Christianity..

    I would not expect Mr. Putin to say anything so dumb, so I suspect a great deal of spin.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pretending a source isn't credible because you don't like what it has to say is willing ignorance.
    Except that's not why it's not credible. There are lots of sources I don't agree with that are credible. New American is known for playing fast and loose with facts and its strong bias.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
    Hear/buy my music here "government is the enemy of liberty"-RP Support me on Patreon here Ephesians 6:12

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