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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    The trolls haven't been issued their talking points for that yet, check back in a day or two.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  3. #122

    Fifth Column media personalities and Yellow Journalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The trolls haven't been issued their talking points for that yet, check back in a day or two.
    I would like to take the liberty to suggest they are "Fifth Column" movement trolls, just as is the majority of our media personalities "Fifth Column" activists. I know the phrase is somewhat dated, but I still remember the phrase being used when I was growing up as was "yellow journalism". I think it's time to reintroduce these phrases as they fit today's circumstances to a tee!


    JWK

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    I would like to take the liberty to suggest they are "Fifth Column" movement trolls, just as is the majority of our media personalities "Fifth Column" activists. I know the phrase is somewhat dated, but I still remember the phrase being used when I was growing up as was "yellow journalism". I think it's time to reintroduce these phrases as they fit today's circumstances to a tee!


    JWK
    Yup and in addition we have a few "fellow travelers" as well.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  5. #124
    This goes here:

    Right Wing Socialism
    by L. Neil Smith

    Attribute to L. Neil Smith's The Libertarian Enterprise

    In the final analysis, there are only two political "philosophies" in the world, comprised, as Robert Heinlein suggested, of "those who think that people should be controlled, and those who do not". The latter sort are called "individualists" and the former are called "collectivists".

    Naturally, the reason for controlling people is so that whatever they create or earn can be taken from them easily, using a variety of excuses, by those who are capable of creating or earning nothing themselves.

    To the individualist, individual rights are the supreme value. Only individuals have rights, and they are not additive in character. Two people, or two thousand people, or two million people have no more rights than a single individual, and to the extent that a society is permitted to exist at all, it is to protect and advance the interests of its basic, indispensable building block, the individual. Every single relationship within such a society must be explicit and totally voluntary.

    To collectivists, however, there are no individual rights, and the individual's interests and opinions count for nothing in the broader, grander, collective scheme of things. Individuals are born with what amounts to an unpayable obligation to society. They are nothing more than worker-ants, whose talents and labor are there to be exploited by the collective. Anybody who objects is anti-social, as both Josef Stalin and Barack Obama would tell us, and most likely insane and in need of confinement.

    Like a gang of bandits squabbling over the loot, however, the collectivists over time, have divided themselves into three factions who detest each other almost as much as they detest the Productive Class they prey on.

    In my novel The American Zone (Tor Books, 2001), I tried a little fancy footwork. Employing a slightly modified Nolan-Fritz diagram (see "The World's Smallest Political Quiz"*), I created an ideological villain from each of the three lower, collectivist corners of the chart.

    The maternalistic left, dedicated to taking care of everybody— to death—was represented in the fictional flesh by a character based on then-Senator Howard Metzenbaum (I called him "Slaughterbush", a loose translation), who at that time was the leading voice for victim disarmament in government, and was also the legal mouthpiece for self-admittedly communist front "workers'" groups in Ohio and Washington, D.C. So where was J. Edgar Hoover when we really needed him?

    The paternalistic right, dedicated to watching—and spanking— everybody, was represented by tedious author, amateur moralist, semi-pro wet blanket, and former "Drug Czar" William Bennett, who I felt at the time was the most dangerous political figure in America, and whose name I turned around to Bennett Williams, so that he could be the younger brother to Buckley F. Williams, a memorable, and not entirely villainous character from my first novel, The Probability Broach.

    The character at the bottom of the diamond—Dave and Marshall had identified it as populism, but I recognized at once that it was fascism—I somewhat playfully based on PBS television's Fred Rogers, a man, a character, and a kids' TV show that never failed to creep me out.

    The remaining uppermost, non-collectivist corner, is, of course, Libertarianism.

    Fascism is regarded by most observers as the farthest any person or ideology can go to the right. "Most observers" are wrong. It began, in the early 20th century, as an attempt to create a form of communism that would work. Even as early as then, it was manifest that, if the naturally and unavoidably incompetent state owned and controlled "the means of production"—all factories and businesses—people would starve by thousands or by millions, depending on the size of the country.

    Then—since the underlying political theory couldn't possibly be wrong—somebody would have to take the blame for communism's obvious failures, and thousands or millions more (condemned for ineptitude, laziness, greed, or hatred of the state) would go to the wall. Those countries that had tried to practice the kindly, altruistic philosophy of "From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs" became death factories on a scale never seen before in human history.

    Believe it or not, the creators of fascism wanted to stop all that. Naming their bright, shiny, new idea for the ancient symbol of the Roman state, an axe with rods bound alongside its handle for unfailing strength, we can determine that they were nothing more than parlor theorists. Otherwise they'd have realized that such an axe is useless. As it is, they'd accidentally chosen the perfect logo for collectivism.

    Mind you, fascism does work, after a fashion. Certain poor suckers are allowed to believe that they own the means of production, and they do all the hard work, bear all the costs, associated with business ownership.

    Meanwhile, it's government that actually established policies and controls businesses through various regulations governing land use and zoning, business hours, what products will be legal to manufacture, and the relationship of the labor force to the business. With every year that passed, politicians think up new regulations that are piled on top of old ones, making it harder and harder to operate. And in the end, government takes the profits in the form of taxes.

    It works, sort of, maybe not with jackboots and swastikas, but with Suits and ties and button-down collars. Most of the starvation and mass executions eventually ended. But what was left was a flat, repellent, stagnant culture like today's Europe, without much fun of much of a future, that produces poorer goods and services at higher prices every year. It also produces slick operators (you know who they are, the media always tries to represent them as "capitalists") who learn to work the system to their benefit, and, with a bribe here and a favor there, a friend in the legislature, congress, or the White House, grows rich and powerful, as part of what Ayn Rand called the "Aristocracy of Pull".

    The originators of fascism had saved left wing collectivism by grafting it onto right wing collectivism. That's what you'll find at the bottom corner of the Nolan-Fritz diamond. It's also what we're living with today, But unlike the wiser, more temperate parasitism of the 1950s or 1960s, government has imposed too many rules, gotten too greedy, and skimmed off trillions of dollars. It's now a serious question whether Western Civilization can survive these self-inflicted wounds.

    A word about the right, since that's what this essay is supposed to be about. Following the reasoning of Robert LeFevre, I have thought for many years about the excuses that people give for doing what they do.

    Collectivist people.

    In every case, on both sides of the "aisle", the basic assumption is that the rights of the group are more important than the rights (if any) of the individual. We are all sick unto death of the endless litany of justifications—the children, the community, the animals, lovely Mother Gaia—that the left wing collectivists shove at us for depriving us of our lives, our liberty, and our property. I think we may have reached a point, elected a President, who possesses no individuality, no real being of his own, but is made up totally of the collective.

    Something like the Borg Queen.

    Right wing collectivists vary in the excuses they offer: God and moral rectitude, tradition, honor, the Corps, national security, and the dire looming threats of communism, "Islamofascism", and all those damned immigrants (legal or otherwise, voluntary or otherwise), be they Black, German, Irish, Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, or South American.

    The left will gladly have you killed if you resist being taxed to fund national healthcare. The right will gladly have you killed if you resist being taxed to fund a fleet of submersible nuclear aircraft carriers. The operative word, in each case, is "killed". In each case the individual counts for nothing against some "greater" collective good.

    And yet society is composed of nothing but individuals. It depends abjectly on the individual's good will in order to continue to exist. If there's nothing in the relationship for the individual, and if the individual is there simply to be looted and sacrificed, at the very least he will stop doing whatever he does that makes him valuable to society. That, of course, is the concept behind Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

    At the other extreme, he may lash out at his expropriators, and a single individual, especially in a high-tech civilization can do a lot of damage. All anyone has to do is take a look at today's headlines. See libertarian Eric Frank Russell's wonderful novel Wasp for further enlightenment.

    That, in the end, is why the Soviet Union collapsed.

    That is also why authorities everywhere, left and right, are so afraid of the idea of the individual, and equally, of individualism, and why they're trying so hard to redefine all individual action as "terrorism".

    And that is why the so-called "War on Terror"—only the most recent excuse for attempting to turn the United States, and the whole world with it, into a prison with seven billion disarmed, defenseless inmates—will never end. It will never be allowed to end, unless we, the individuals, the individualists, do something to end it, ourselves.


    _____________________
    * See it at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz


    L. Neil Smith is the Publisher and Senior Columnist of L. Neil Smith's THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE, as well as the author of 33 freedom-oriented books, the most recent of which is DOWN WITH POWER: Libertarian Policy in a Time of Crisis:
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    DOWN WITH POWER was selected as the Freedom Book Club Book-of-the-Month for August 2012
    He is Senior Editorial Consultant with Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
    http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2013/tle721-20130519-02.html
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Simpletonism, as in all things balance is required.

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yup and in addition we have a few "fellow travelers" as well.
    I thought the phrase was familiar but couldn't put my finger on it. After looking it up, I agree!


    JWK

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    This goes here:




  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Are you a fan of Mark Levin? BTW, he is very much on target with many things he says.
    Nope. From time to time I enjoy his anti-leftist rants but I despise the man. I have a very clear memory of how he treated Ron Paul and his supporters in 2007/2008. I was not aware of his usage of the phrase, "post-constitutional".



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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    I would like to take the liberty to suggest they are "Fifth Column" movement trolls, just as is the majority of our media personalities "Fifth Column" activists. I know the phrase is somewhat dated, but I still remember the phrase being used when I was growing up as was "yellow journalism". I think it's time to reintroduce these phrases as they fit today's circumstances to a tee!


    JWK
    "Everybody who doesn't agree with me is a shill!"
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    "Everybody who doesn't agree with me is a shill!"
    The shills display an incredible amount of energy and the dedication levels are unheard of outside mental institutions.

  13. #131

    Fifth column and yellow journalism alive and well in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    I would like to take the liberty to suggest they are "Fifth Column" movement trolls, just as is the majority of our media personalities "Fifth Column" activists. I know the phrase is somewhat dated, but I still remember the phrase being used when I was growing up as was "yellow journalism". I think it's time to reintroduce these phrases as they fit today's circumstances to a tee!


    JWK



    "Everybody who doesn't agree with me is a shill!"

    Seems you are having a problem distinguishing truth and facts from Fifth Column media propaganda. Poor you.


    JWK


    There was a time not too long ago in New York when the able-bodied were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now, New York City and many other major cities are infested with countless government cheese factions from $#@! hole countries, who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex, and Lotto tickets.
    Last edited by johnwk; 01-20-2018 at 09:25 AM.

  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Seems you are having a problem distinguishing truth and facts from Fifth Column media propaganda. Poor you.


    JWK


    There was a time not too long ago in New York when the able-bodied were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now, New York City and many other major cities are infested with countless government cheese factions from $#@! hole countries, who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex, and Lotto tickets.
    So, address the REAL problem. The problem is NOT immigrants, the problem is government.

    And the Constitution is doing exactly what it was meant to do- install a bunch of elites to a strong central government, who can then rule and reign over everyone else. It was a Hamiltonian coupe to take over the Articles of Confederation that gave the average joe way too much freedom.

    So instead of screaming at everyone who doesn't worship your version of public education history, maybe you should grow a spine, try researching some real history and start helping with the REAL problems at hand.
    There is no spoon.

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So, address the REAL problem. The problem is NOT immigrants, the problem is government.

    And the Constitution is doing exactly what it was meant to do- install a bunch of elites to a strong central government,

    Only in your foolish anarchist mind.


    JWK




    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Only in your foolish anarchist mind.


    JWK




    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

    Right, this is why no one takes you seriously you go right into straw man arguments any time someone takes you seriously.

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Right, this is why no one takes you seriously you go right into straw man arguments any time someone takes you seriously.
    So, your version of being serious embraces the absurd assertion that "the Constitution is doing exactly what it was meant to do- install a bunch of elites to a strong central government"?

    If that is true, then why did our founders explicitly adopt the Tenth Amendment?


    JWK

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    So, your version of being serious embraces the absurd assertion that "the Constitution is doing exactly what it was meant to do- install a bunch of elites to a strong central government"?

    If that is true, then why did our founders explicitly adopt the Tenth Amendment?


    JWK
    How about you respond to Ender? I don't want to be presumptuous but I assume this was his argument?

    “But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” Lysander Spooner



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Only in your foolish anarchist mind.


    JWK




    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

    Riiiight- the WoD and the WoT, which profits the elites and is the current reason Americans are tax-slaves, has NOTHING to do with those poverty-stricken countries.

    And still screaming I see.
    There is no spoon.

  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    So, your version of being serious embraces the absurd assertion that "the Constitution is doing exactly what it was meant to do- install a bunch of elites to a strong central government"?

    If that is true, then why did our founders explicitly adopt the Tenth Amendment?


    JWK
    It was to appease the Anti-Federalists, who were right. Unfortunately it did not work. States rights were totally lost in the War Between the States and the Fed gov was exactly where the coup had intended it to be.

    The Tenth Amendment was added to the Constitution of 1787 largely because of the intellectual influence and personal persistence of the Anti-Federalists and their allies. It's quite clear that the Tenth Amendment was written to emphasize the limited nature of the powers delegated to the federal government.


    “The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.” – United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).

    The founding fathers had good reason to pen the Tenth Amendment.

    The issue of power – and especially the great potential for a power struggle between the federal and the state governments – was extremely important to the America’s founders. They deeply distrusted government power, and their goal was to prevent the growth of the type of government that the British has exercised over the colonies.

    Adoption of the Constitution of 1787 was opposed by a number of well-known patriots including Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and others. They passionately argued that the Constitution would eventually lead to a strong, centralized state power which would destroy the individual liberty of the People. Many in this movement were given the poorly-named tag “Anti-Federalists.”

    The Tenth Amendment was added to the Constitution of 1787 largely because of the intellectual influence and personal persistence of the Anti-Federalists and their allies.

    It’s quite clear that the Tenth Amendment was written to emphasize the limited nature of the powers delegated to the federal government. In delegating just specific powers to the federal government, the states and the people, with some small exceptions, were free to continue exercising their sovereign powers.

    When states and local communities take the lead on policy, the people are that much closer to the policymakers, and policymakers are that much more accountable to the people. Few Americans have spoken with their president; many have spoken with their mayor.

    Adherence to the Tenth Amendment is the first step towards ensuring liberty in the United States. Liberty through decentralization.
    http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/abou...nth-amendment/
    There is no spoon.

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  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    How about you respond to Ender? I don't want to be presumptuous but I assume this was his argument?
    And you butted in with an absurd and adolescent comment. And, I already responded to Ender's anarchist comment.

    JWK

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    And you butted in with an absurd and adolescent comment. And, I already responded to Ender's anarchist comment.

    JWK
    No, you did not.

    Having reasonable dialog on opposing POVs is something you never do. Just scream & accuse.
    There is no spoon.

  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Riiiight- the WoD and the WoT, which profits the elites and is the current reason Americans are tax-slaves, has NOTHING to do with those poverty-stricken countries.

    And still screaming I see.
    Give it a freaken break. Your anarchist responses have nothing to do with the subject of the thread. It's getting old and tired to constantly see you show up in a thread only to blather on and on how you despise our constitutionally limited system of government. Take a chill pill. or get a medical marijuana prescription, which may help you chill out.


    JWK

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Give it a freaken break. Your anarchist responses have nothing to do with the subject of the thread. It's getting old and tired to constantly see you show up in a thread only to blather on and on how you despise our constitutionally limited system of government. Take a chill pill. or get a medical marijuana prescription, which may help you chill out.


    JWK
    As I said before:

    Having reasonable dialog on opposing POVs is something you never do. Just scream & accuse.
    Always the same from you.
    There is no spoon.

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    As I said before:



    Always the same from you.
    And always the same from you ___ a never ending desire to ignore the subject of a thread and switch it's subject to your pet project promoting anarchy.


    JWK



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  29. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    And always the same from you ___ a never ending desire to ignore the subject of a thread and switch it's subject to your pet project promoting anarchy.


    JWK
    Your just as bad as the democrats imagining that Obamacare was constitutional. This government has slowly erroded the constitution and now your going to defend and trust the Trump administration to obey the constitution? Sorry for not drinking the orange cool-aid but we won't be fooled again.

  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Your just as bad as the democrats imagining that Obamacare was constitutional. This government has slowly erroded the constitution and now your going to defend and trust the Trump administration to obey the constitution? Sorry for not drinking the orange cool-aid but we won't be fooled again.
    So, your fallback is to post an insulting remark. What does your post have to do with the subject of the thread? Are you still waiting for your talking points on this subject to be supplied to you by our nation's Fifth Column leaders?


    JWK

  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    So, your fallback is to post an insulting remark. What does your post have to do with the subject of the thread? Are you still waiting for your talking points on this subject to be supplied to you by our nation's Fifth Column leaders?


    JWK
    Are you going to address the argument? You started with the name calling, I just said you are being an ideologue like the democrats. Even Ender made examples, the war on terror and the war on drugs were constitutional, hell prohibition was constitutional but that didn't make it right. You fundamentally don't understand that philosophy is a tool and there is an important debate should we presume constitutionality or should we presume liberty?

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    And always the same from you ___ a never ending desire to ignore the subject of a thread and switch it's subject to your pet project promoting anarchy.


    JWK
    I absolutely addressed the subject of the thread- which is STATES RIGHTS.

    And I am not an anarchist and have hardly ever responded to your threads.
    There is no spoon.

  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Are you going to address the argument? You started with the name calling, I just said you are being an ideologue like the democrats. Even Ender made examples, the war on terror and the war on drugs were constitutional, hell prohibition was constitutional but that didn't make it right. You fundamentally don't understand that philosophy is a tool and there is an important debate should we presume constitutionality or should we presume liberty?
    Liberty.

    And I'd +rep you if I could.
    There is no spoon.

  34. #150
    I do not think we can afford to consider anarchy as foolish any longer .

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